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#1 Jul 7 - 5PM
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Hi ladies!

Hi there everyone! I just wanted to say I really love this site. The information contained in it, and the support community is something amazing.

I’m actually a guy who’s been subjected to a female narcissist essentially his whole life (my sister). As you can imagine, it’s caused me to develop a whole list of issues. I actually only just about a year ago came to the realization of the source of all my issues and just exactly what I was dealing with. …I've only lived a little less than 3 decades and suffered abuse of all types nearly nonstop (especially emotion/verbal).

I’ve read some things on here that I really found impressive and spot-on.

I read article about the ease in predicting their actions and words due to the disorder… I’ve already seen numerous websites that seemed like they knew her exactly and recorded her very words…

I read the article about their reactions to disaster in your life… That reminded me of how my sister told me it was karma that caused me to wreck my car… and the same thing when I developed psoriasis years later... and when I lost my job (that and nobody likes me / no one can stand me)…

Anyways, it’s just really confirming for me. I even read about female narcissists somewhere else last night and about how they only differ from their male counterparts by how they seek to maintain their narcissistic supply. It explains A LOT. …like the promiscuity, and the need to have a child TOTALLY unprepared (basically, everyone else pays the price and her odd “usage” of her recently acquired mother status), and the NEVER liking anything not completely mainstream popular (always being a conduit of the latest and greatest social trends). Anyways, again, it was like reading her book.

I just wanted to talk to you ladies because who better to speak my concerns to than well-informed ladies… Due to the social stigma, and all the factors of the invisibility of what’s happened to me, I’m concerned with the card she always plays and how it could potentially affect my life and desired career.

I’m sure that you’re all well aware that a wife in a marriage emotionally abusing her husband can be determining factor, as it can serve as a catalyst for an aggressive physical response from her husband (this is proven through studies)… how much more so from a younger sibling whom they abused physically all throughout vital years of development (until they got too strong to continue) and then severely emotionally abused nearly their entire lives? Still, I fared rather well all things considered... but, the anger problems that developed in me made me do some things that I never would have done had I not been constantly poked and prodded incessantly… and they definitely use them against me now (how convenient).

In fact, their main argument against me now is that I have an anger issue. And I admit that! But when I try to talk to them and explain that it didn’t develop out of nowhere and that their actions and words, and everything that they have done to me, is the root (cause that’s the truth)… all she does it play the “you always blame everyone else” card. Even if I mention that I’ve actually apologized for being emotionally abusive to a couple of girls (and I really hope to do so to a third… don’t have a way to contact her yet tho), it doesn’t matter. She just repeats that I don’t take responsibility.

Anyways, she’s definitely villainized me to all her co-worker friends (those are her only friends here really), and to my knowledge they’ve totally bought her lies (I know she lies because of seeing her do it all throughout the years for various reasons).

So basically, I’m worried because I want to move one… but I always think that she’ll somehow still haunt me and sabotage my career if I ever get in the public eye with allegations of abuse (which were really physically aggressive reactions that she worked VERY hard to illicit). I just want to hear what you ladies might have to say due to your being educated and wise about these things.

I’ve done some stupid things but I’ve never tried to make my family scared of me, or tried to control them for my selfish gain. It’s always that I had been mistreated to the point of insanity and reacted.

And I feel like this whole thing is so unfair. I remember reading that abused children had brain cells in the region of the brain that exhibits self-control over emotions that were 30% smaller than normal! And I know all of you can relate to the anger caused by narcissists in your lives. If only for a season, imagine growing up with one and suffering with them for nearly 3 decades! Imagine what would happen if they had access to develop your very self-image from the near get-go, and the acting out in pain that they caused, that they then turn around and use against you!

Ugh. I just feel trapped… which I’m sure that’s exactly what they want. I know their self-image (aka reputation) is everything to them (it’s obviously not her family!).

I don’t know what to do. I just want to be rid of her and heal. I just don’t know if even if I start a new life under a new name, if I have a career with any public image, and she finds out, she’ll try to ruin me then… just like she ruined my image to her friends.

Can I ever have a normal life?

Jul 11 - 1PM
Carolyn
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women who abuse men are the

women who abuse men are the subject of many tv dramas and books like "Mommy Dearest" about Joan Crawford. You might want to read that book and see if it is like your sister. then do the no conact rule.
Jul 7 - 7PM
grossot
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Barbara would know this for

Barbara would know this for sure but it sounds like you are experiencing reactive abuse. I don't know a lot about it but I know I treat people a lot better now that I've been "out" for 6 months. You might research that term. My mom and dad told me that they noticed I had begun treating my daughter the same way my STBXNH was as far as discipline and it broke my heart. I didn't even know I was doing it! So I know what you mean about treating people a certain way. You really want to know what kind of person you are? Have no contact with your sister. You'll see you were corrupted by her. Keep posting. Its very healing! Anyway, so glad you found some sites you can utilize. Welcome! I don't know what I'd do without these girls. They really "get it" which has helped me understand and accept my sanity for what it is! Be kinder than necessary to everyone you meet; for everyone is fighting some kind of battle - anonymous- :o) nolongercontrolled
Jul 7 - 9PM (Reply to #10)
CSparks (not verified)
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Definitely

I had to realize some real ugly stuff about myself absolutely. That's why I apologized (or tried to) to ex-girlfriends and such. In my immense pain and trying to make myself feel better, I didn't respect some others' feelings. I just knew I wanted desperately to feel good, or to attain whatever I thought was missing from my life that would finally fix things. This unfortunately led to quite a bit of debt and embarassing, regretful behavior... I also saw how I abused myself even, with feelings of shame for being a failure. But thankfully I realized that it all stemmed from fulfilling their shame-programming. I took all the necessary steps to fulfill their "prophecy of shame" for me and then would beat myself up for where I would arrive. And since realizing that, I haven't had an episode of depression that made me lie on the floor and take a nap (like what was happening constantly before that). I feel good! I've learned now also how to deal with small frustrations or even a ton of stress for what they truly are, instead of taking all of my pent-up aggression out at that particular moment just because I have some excuse... which can lead to hurting a love one or even a loved one hurting you... (unfortunately, I learned both of these hard lessons just recently). But yes, as I said, I developed many issues. I'm working on them. My big beef is that the one who made every effort to do this to me now uses them to smear me and I feel trapped. As if it doesn't suck and hurt enough to have to see yourself like this, undo the damage, and prevent the manifestations of the pain they caused, the abuser then uses it to try to make you feel even worse and make themselves look like they're the victim. :/
Jul 8 - 12AM (Reply to #11)
CSparks (not verified)
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Oh snap!

FYI, I justt looked up that term "reactive abuse. Not what I thought it described at first. VERY helpful! Thanks!
Jul 7 - 7PM
grossot
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Barbara would know this for

Barbara would know this for sure but it sounds like you are experiencing reactive abuse. I don't know a lot about it but I know I treat people a lot better now that I've been "out" for 6 months. You might research that term. My mom and dad told me that they noticed I had begun treating my daughter the same way my STBXNH was as far as discipline and it broke my heart. I didn't even know I was doing it! So I know what you mean about treating people a certain way. You really want to know what kind of person you are? Have no contact with your sister. You'll see you were corrupted by her. Keep posting. Its very healing! Anyway, so glad you found some sites you can utilize. Welcome! I don't know what I'd do without these girls. They really "get it" which has helped me understand and accept my sanity for what it is! Be kinder than necessary to everyone you meet; for everyone is fighting some kind of battle - anonymous- :o) nolongercontrolled
Jul 7 - 11PM (Reply to #8)
Barbara (not verified)
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grossot

you are right! CSparks - it sounds like reactive abuse. A REACTION to being abused. It's normal. No Contact will help end that. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
Jul 7 - 7PM
Jodie
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Welcome. I feel your pain.

Welcome. I feel your pain. I'm typing from iPhone so please excuse any errors. First we understand the sheer INSANITY and evil you've had to endure. Hats off to you for not snapping sooner and seriously hurting someone. I grew up with an N father, an N best friend and eventually married an N. The level of emotional abuse and trauma they inflict is like that of a war. You mention anger. Ha! I used to smash things in the house, throw dishes, scream till my pupils buldged and eventually physically attacked my husband. It's called crazy making behavior. Ns will absolutely destroy you both emotionally and spiritually...even physically. You will become someone you don't even know as a result of being a victim of their evil, and that is what they are: evil. Make no mistake. I've read therapists who treat those coming out of pathological relationships are like those who have escaped cults and suffer major PTSD. I know I did. You must for the love of God, remove yourself from these peope. The longer you associate the more damage they are able to inflict, the more you will lose your "self" and the longer it will take to heal. You have to accept their false, bewildering, bizarre reality in order to stay in a relationship with them and with that comes a price: your sanity. Cut HER out of your life at ALL costs no matter what it takes. Get into therapy. It takes a long time to heal from these monsters. My sister said "You have a better chance at surviving Stage 4 cancer than you do staying with a Narcissist. It's a death sentence." I know she's your sister but you must do what it takes to cut her out, cut your losses and move on. Your life is waiting. "Cry now because you lost him or cry later because you have him."

"Cry now because you lost him or cry later because you have him."

Jul 7 - 10PM (Reply to #6)
CSparks (not verified)
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Thank you so much

You have to forgive me... sometimes I think that no one else could possibly understand. I forget that others have been raised completely influenced by N's too. I just always feel so alone. Like being raised in a cult, absolutely! And no sane person would ever expect someone not rehabilitated from such programming to not have issues, to not be revictimized again and again out in the real world (a devious salesperson's dream I was!)...to basically not have anything but disasterous results. Unfortunately, all of these helped secure my current lot of codependency and living at home. I despise it! Of course, my N LOVES it(the only problem being I never was as submissive as she would have preferred, and especially now that I've broke free of her hold) because she gets free room, food, daycare, a car, insurance and is content with her life (she has ZERO true ambition to be self-sufficient but always acts like I'm the deadbeat bc I had to take a break from life having been bullied severely at my last two jobs and having just realized that I never had a real mind of my own). Anyways, I'm ready to move on now and do whatever it takes. I would venture to think that they would never dare sabotage my (potential) career though because that would send me right back living with them, which would be counter their "story" to cause the circumstances that would send "the crazy brother" back to living at home huh? Bah! Never know with crazy huh? BTW, thank you for caring so much that you were willing to reply from your phone :)
Jul 7 - 6PM
Barbara (not verified)
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CSparks

Yes - YOU can have a normal life because she never will. Read some articles on the reactions of bystanders (the Narcs "friend & proxies") below: http://narc-attack.blogspot.com/2007/08/npd-lie-detector-test.html http://narc-attack.blogspot.com/2007/08/power-of-suggestion-on-bystanders.html http://narc-attack.blogspot.com/2007/04/ugly-bystander.html http://narc-attack.blogspot.com/2007/09/narcissist-sympathizers-ii.html I have a few posts put on the Message Board on Female Narcs - you may have go back a number of pages and look around. When I find good ones I post them. I was raised by a female Narc so I know some of what you are going through. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims/ Updated Daily: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
Jul 7 - 8PM (Reply to #2)
James (not verified)
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CSparks

CSparks All I can say is after having a relationship with a PD (Personality Disorder) for 17 years (now ex) having a mother who was a Classic NPD (now deceased) and a sister who suffer from some type of abusive (her being the abuser) emotional disorder (don’t know don’t care). Do what most of us do... Walk and go NC. That’s the only thing that ever work for me or my family. Save yourself before it’s no late. The alternative? Know you are but a supply for them and allow them to feed on you and feed freely they will! Good luck! PS: Great links Barb! Pretty much says it all!
Jul 7 - 11PM (Reply to #3)
CSparks (not verified)
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NC

I'm definitely going NC asap. And thanks for all the info Barb. I also always keep in mind what friends of accused serial killers do. As an FBI profiler put it, "They run to their defense and claim they know them and there's no possible way they be capable of such things. Why? Because what would that say about them? They're friends with a serial killer!" All with a smile on his face, cause it's ridiculous but true. They're protecting their investment; how they view themselves. This same thing came into play with another crime case. A bunch of cops ostracized another cop... the one brave one who was fighting to release innocent men who had been put into jail unjustly. They didn't even want to be proven wrong, wouldn't even entertain the possibility (despite SOLID evidence), because that meant they did something very wrong and were wrong. And that would be very unflattering. ...as would it be to realize that you fully trust someone who is capable of such horror as inhumane treatment and abuse. But of course, them knowing this person's track record of character (as they must to at least a degree sufficient to see they are incapable of being trusted)... it must be a lot more of what your links provided lol :) Afterall, I don't know the name of that one study that showed 3 out of 4 people fully conformed to answering a test completely wrong just because it's what others were doing (and they could SEE they were wrong answers) is just about the only thing I have ever heard that I find as deplorable as N's behaviors.
Jul 7 - 11PM (Reply to #4)
Barbara (not verified)
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CSparks

You're quite welcome (BTW - please don't call me Barb - it's a PTSD trigger from my NMother. Barbara or B is fine. No one calls me Barb and lives these days... LOL) We are here for you - vent, rage, be upset. We GET it! NC is the only option that works. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/