The 7 Deadly Mistakes Victims Make with Their Divorce Lawyers

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The 7 Deadly Mistakes Victims Make with Their Divorce Lawyers

by Dr. Jeanne King

Why do domestic abuse victims see the abuse dynamic in their home, but fail to recognize it in their divorce proceedings?

The answer to this question is the same answer to the question, "Why doesn't she awaken to the abuse in her home?" You know the answer: she is part of the very dynamic for which she seeks remedy.

Here are some common and deadly mistakes victims of domestic violence make as they navigate the system en route to divorce closure and protection from abuse.

1) Failure to recognize the possibility (much less the reality) of the abuse dynamic between themselves and their own attorneys.

2) Failure to realize how their divorce lawyer's fees will be paid after the initial retainer runs out.

3) Failure to understand the impact of "He who pays directs what is placed before the court."

4) Failure to appreciate that abuse is about control in family court, too.

5) Failure to know the difference between "use of legal process" and "abuse of legal process."

6) Failure to grasp the distinction between what is truly within their domain and what lies in the domain of their opposition.

7) Failure to know successful warfare strategies, much less how to put them into place in the context of their divorce.

If you are seeking remedy for abuse via family court, first ask yourself if you are ready to end being abused. Because, if you haven't fully digested and answered this question, chances are you are going from the frying pan to the fire of legal domestic abuse.

Nov 13 - 7AM
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7 Deadly Mistakes Victims Make with Their Divorce Lawyers

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Jul 20 - 5PM
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Questions to Ask Before You Hire An Attorney

General questions about divorce or custody cases * Have you or any members of your firm ever represented my partner or anyone associated with my partner? * Do you handle divorce or custody cases? * How many of these cases have you handled? * How many of them were contested? * How many of them went to trial? * Did any of the cases involve expert witnesses? * How many were before the judge(s) who will hear my case? * What kind of decisions does this judge usually make? * Have you ever appealed a case, and if so, what were the issue(s) appealed? How many of these appealed cases did you win? (Remember that even excellent attorneys lose cases.) Questions about attorney fees and costs * What are your fees? What work do these fees cover? Is this an hourly fee or a flat fee for the entire case? * Is there an additional charge for appearing in court? * Do you ever charge less for people who do not have much money? * Do you charge a retainer? How much? * What does it cover? Do you refund all or part of the retainer if my case ends up being dropped or not taking much time? (Attorneys should be willing to refund any part of the retainer not spent.) * Are there other expenses which I may have to pay? What are they and how much are they likely to be? * Will you be the only person working on my case? What will other people do? How will I be charged for their work? Will I be charged for speaking to your secretary? Your receptionist? * Are there ways that I can assist you so as to keep down my costs? * Will you send me a copy of letters, documents, and court papers that you file or receive regarding my case? * Do you charge extra if the case gets more complicated or we have to go back to court? * Will you require that I have paid everything that I owe you before you will go to court with me or finish my case? (Many attorneys do this. They may also refuse to return your original papers or copies of your file, and in some states this may be legal. Therefore you should insist on getting a copy of any paper filed with the court or given or received from another party or otherwise relevant to your case. Be sure to keep all of them in a safe place, in case you ever need them.) * Are you willing to work out a payment plan with me? Are you willing to take some of your fee from my abuser after we settle? * Will you put our agreement about fees and what work you will perform in writing? Protecting Your Identity Identity theft is rampant in the United States. Survivors of domestic violence must take extra precautions to proect themselves from abusers who use identity as a means of power and control. Abusers may use survivors' credit cards without their permission, open fradulent new credit cards in survivors' names (ultimately ruining their credit) or open credit cards in children's names. Misuse of survivors' social security numbers is also common in the context of domestic violence. Abusers may fradulently use survivors' social security numbers to stalk, harass or threaten survivors. Read more to learn how to protect yourself if you are experiencing this type of abuse. Survivors experiencing abuse should contact their local domestic violence program for immediate support. Check your local yellow pages or call the National Domestic Violence Hotline (operated by the Texas Council on Family Violence) at 1-800-799-SAFE to be connected to the program in your area. Steps to Take to Protect Your Identity ¨ Relocate. Moving across town, across the state or across the country puts physical distance between you and the abuser. Be sure to obtain an unlisted phone number and be aware of the Full Faith and Credit provisions in your restraining order, which make the order valid when you travel to another state or tribal jurisdiction. ¨ Apply to the address confidentiality program in your state. These types of programs allow individuals who have experienced domestic violence, sexual assault, stalking or other types of crime to receive mail at a confidential address, while keeping their actual address undisclosed. Rules and eligibility vary from state to state. Click here to see a list of address confidentiality programs in states across the country. ¨ Open a post office box to receive mail. Abusers may be able to open fraudulent credit cards by responding to credit card offers received in the mail. A post office box may prevent this if only you have access to it. Be wary of the confidentiality policies of non-government post office box centers such as Mail Boxes, Etc…and the fact that it may not be possible to remain anonymous in rural towns while accessing the post office. ¨ Protect your incoming and outgoing mail. Shred all credit card offers that come in the mail along with other documents that have your name, address and/or social security number on them. Mail bills and other sensitive documents directly from the post office instead of from the mailbox on your porch or at the end of your driveway. Call 1-800-5OPT-OUT to stop receiving credit card offers in the mail. ¨ Guard your social security number. Do not use your social security number as a general ID, PIN or password. Request to have your social security number removed from documents you receive in the mail and ID cards for health insurance, driving, work, etc… Click here to read about changing your social security number. ¨ Check your credit report. The best way to determine if someone has committed fraud against you is to check your credit report with all three credit bureaus at least once per year. Visit www.annualcreditreport.com to obtain a free yearly credit report. You can also make a request to have a fraud alert placed on your credit report. Click here to find out how to contact the credit bureaus. ¨ Report suspected fraud. Contact local law enforcement if you know of or suspect fraud and ask to file a report. Check and/or close accounts you believe have been tampered. File a report with the Federal Trade Commission at 1-877-ID-THEFT and the Social Security Administration Fraud Hotline at 1-800-269-0271. File copies of police reports with credit bureaus. ¨ Protect information you give out. Never give any identifying information over the phone or through email or the internet unless you initiated the call or have verification that the website or email communication is secure. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Articles & information for abuse victims - Updated Daily Online Coaching for Victims of Narcissists/ Psychopaths
Jul 2 - 1PM
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for helpme and healing

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Jun 11 - 9PM
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The 7 Deadly Mistakes Victims Make with Their Divorce Lawyers

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May 16 - 9AM
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There are deadly traps in

There are deadly traps in every business-the law is the same. Some other things to remember. 1. your lawyer charges by the hour and for any part of hour. Some will encourage you to call when you are anxious and the bill can be so huge that if you get the house you have to sell it to pay the lawyer. 2. lawyers and judges see one another all the time. You have to make sure the lawyers aren't conspiring together to keep the proceedings going in order to up their fees. 3. there can be a history of sexual abuse by lawyers don't be too distraught, too dependent, too vulnerable. 4. never go to a lawyer's office alone and it never hurts to have a voice activated tape recorder in your pocket so you can remember what the lawyer is telling you to do. You can get them at places like Radio Shack and they are not expensive. 5. check out every lawyer you hire with the local bar association. Make sure they have a clean record. Divorce lawyers are dealing with chaos and assets you don't want someone, you think is in your corner, actually in your 'bank account'. try and find other women who have had dirvorce dealings with the lawyer you are going to select. See if they have satisfied clients and get everything about their fees and court costs in writting.
May 13 - 1PM
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more for voodoochili25

Again - read the article at the beginning of this thread. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
Apr 26 - 11PM
Barbara (not verified)
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it's more than that...

It's a lot more than no empathy. Their BRAINS are different. They seriously CAN NOT FEEL. Many of them don't know what normal FEELINGS are. http://howtospotadangerousman.blogspot.com/2008/08/pathological-child-prodigy-savant-of.html http://howtospotadangerousman.blogspot.com/2008/08/pathological-child-prodigy-savant-all.html They MUST look at the rest of the world as totally effed up, and they're the only one who has their crap together. How amazing to think you're the only 'correct' person in the world. wow. Yes, because they refuse to see there is something wrong with THEM. Maybe once back in their childhood they had an inkling something was wrong but it was quickly erased by doing something that made them feel GOOD. Putting someone down, masturbating, shoplifting, raging... NEGATIVE ANGRY EMOTIONS are the only things that seem to lift their endorphins. They simply can't see - not won't - CAN NOT. Will NEVER happen. EVER. It's more than they 'have no clue' - they literally can not PHYSIOLOGICALLY PROCESS that they have no clue. And they become enraged when you try to force them. It is USELESS to try to get them help, pray for them, get them on meds. NOTHING WORKS. Sorry, N O T H I N G. You need to get away from them ASAP! And notice how many successful Narcs and Psychopaths there are out there? This behavior gets REWARDED so why stop? ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Cost-Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
Apr 26 - 11PM (Reply to #16)
quietude (not verified)
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nothing works

I've made peace with that fact, for certain. I'm far away from my exN, I just still get very annoyed with the whole thing at times. It just cracks me up when his attempts to make ME understand, is saying that "lots of couples have MUCH worse problems, we can work this out. The only things standing in our way is YOU not trying"... Uh, excuse me? Trying is pointless... As you say, he can't even PROCESS that he has no clue.
Apr 26 - 8PM
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another one for startnew

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Apr 26 - 10PM (Reply to #2)
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this article

'Everything I've done, I've done for you'....wow, this so hits home in a big way. I always wondered why when he said things related to this, I always felt so guilty. There were times I was so angry about it I'd correct him and say "no, you're doing this for US". He'd also say he's making the bigger sacrifice for the relationship for everything he has to do...can't get into specifics about this, but it sure made me feel obligated, not happy. A normal person would know that would make their partner feel like total crap! This article really shows that they have ABSOLUTELY NO CLUE as to how we feel about anything. They don't stop and think that hmmm, my lady looks sad, is something BOTHERING her perhaps? They interpret into something completely wrong and self-serving. I know, the no empathy thing. It is truly astounding to me still. I try not to over-analyze things, but you kinda can't help it when you've been with someone like this. I mean, when they see other couples interacting (normally), do they think they're all completely screwed up? Or when watching a movie, do they wonder why the male and female characters are acting so unreasonable - why is she talking back to the lead male, why doesn't he just dump her ass for disrespecting him....and surprised at their ability to actually communicate - does he think the lead male must be a total wimp then?? I mean...they MUST look at the rest of the world as totally effed up, and they're the only one who has their crap together. How amazing to think you're the only 'correct' person in the world. wow... Sorry, rant mode!
Apr 27 - 3AM (Reply to #3)
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I dont think that they look

I dont think that they look outside themselves at all. They live in the fantasy world they have created for themselves, not the real world. They aren't observant of what other people do or how they behave unless it directly impacts them. This is part of not having any empathy. Anything good that happens to you is juist dumb luck. No one knows how hard they work, how hard their life has been, etc.
Apr 27 - 10AM (Reply to #14)
quietude (not verified)
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It's coming together

It's coming together, the more I learn the more betrayed I feel, but also relieved in a lot of ways. I think maybe they do observe more than we think, to learn how to behave so they can appear normal - enough to 'get by'. It's not about observing to learn and help, it's only to use it to their advantage. It's like all about immitation and impersonation, isn't it? It's just all so repulsive...
Apr 27 - 9AM (Reply to #4)
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I know!

It makes me sooo sick to think of all the times I listened to how hard his life is, how amazing he is, etc...ugh!
Apr 27 - 5PM (Reply to #5)
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yes

They truly are hollow men. Predators. There's nothing there really. NOTHING. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Cost-Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
Apr 27 - 9PM (Reply to #6)
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Why narcissists have no empathy

The easiest way to think about it is this : Narcissists are stuck at age five. One of the most well-known theories in pyschology is Sigmund Freud's theory that as children, we pass through different psychosexual stages. According to Freud, if a child is deprived or over-indulged in any of these stages, it results in what he calls "fixation." Fixation describes an adult who is stuck or attached to an earlier childhood mode of satisfacion. An infant does not see others as indistinguishable from the self. An infant or toddler perceives the world (or mother) as an extension of himself. Children feel that people, particularly mother, are present to cater to their every need. They know that if they cry, they can elicit an immediate response in those around them. They will be presented with food and cradling in response to any fussing or crying on their part. They see others as existing solely for their own purposes. This type of selfishness is natural for an infant or small child. They must rely on others to meet their needs in order to survive. According to Freud, this extreme selfishness, or narcissism is a normal psychsexual stage of development between the stages of auto-eroticism and object-libido. Freud published an entire article on the subject titles "On Narcissism: An Introduction." Healthy, well-adjusted children eventually grow out of this narcissistic stage. They grow out of it and learn to understand that others have needs as well. Unfortunately, not everyone grows out of this stage. If they received too little or too much attention, they may become fixated in this stage, obsessed with getting their needs met at all times. This is where the narcissist is stuck. He is stuck at age five and completely oblivious to the fact that others have needs or wants of their own. The only feelings a narcissist experiences are the primal, instinctive feelings we all posess in order to survive - Fear and Anger. We are all born with these instincts as they are critical to our survival - think Darwin's suvival of the fittest. This may also help explain why when a narcissist becomes upset, he rages, doesn't he? That's because this is the only real feeling a narcissist experiences so when it comes on, watch out. This is no acting. He really feels this. As a human, if our development is healthy, we evolve and begin realizing that others have needs as well. We begin to develop more mature complex feelings, such as empathy, love and compassion. Unfortunately, if our development is stunted, we never evolve past the narcissistic stage. We are stuck at age five and have never developed the feelings that truly make us the unique humans we are. I feel sorry for them in a way. Narcissists are not able to experience the wonderful feeling of loving another. Sure, they think they love you but that's because they are dependent on you for survival, not because they are in love with you in any mature, adult or romantic way. They truly cannot help it. They simply never developed feelings such as love and empathy. Deep down they know they are different. They know they should feel these feelings and learn to mimic this behavior by watching others. They do not want to be "found out" so they "act out" the feelings they know they should feel in the beginning of a relationship in order to win your love. Unfortunately, this is only an act and once they feel they have secured your love, perhaps through marriage, their true colors will come out. Bottom line is narcissists have no empathy, never did and never will.
Apr 27 - 10PM (Reply to #11)
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sad indeed

I struggle all the time with feeling sorry for that 5 year old kid. How awful to not develop even the most basic feelings that come naturally to most. But I can't feel so sorry that I sacrifice my whole life and self for him.
Apr 28 - 10AM (Reply to #13)
Lisa E. Scott
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Quietude

Agreed! I do feel sorry for the narcissist, but cannot feel so sorry that I sacrific my life and self for him. As Betteroff said: "it wouldn't help anyway. :-( If "love conquered all" there would be a lot less pain in the world." Unfortunately, love isn't enough when you're dealing with a narcissist. They will never change and we must accept that.
Apr 28 - 8AM (Reply to #12)
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Think of it this way...it

Think of it this way...it wouldn't help anyway. :-( If "love conquered all" there would be a lot less pain in the world. Unfortunately love isn't enough.
Apr 28 - 8AM (Reply to #10)
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right on Lisa

here you go: http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/six.html and its more than they can't help it. Their brains have developed in such a way that it LITERALLY can not FEEL real emotions... including empathy. since NPD and Psychopathy are on the same spectrum - this may help illustrate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaTfdKYbudk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WftbmbVYiCk NEVER LOVE SOMETHING THAT IS INCAPABLE OF LOVING YOU BACK ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Cost-Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
Apr 27 - 9PM (Reply to #7)
Fawn
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No empathy

Thanks Lisa, very insightful. I looked everywhere for answers when 2 marriage counselors at two different periods told me my husband was /is a narcissist. I wasn't ready to hear it then. Now when I look back, I see that lack of empathy everywhere. So much of what he did was for appearances. When we were alone, he was awful. When he started talking to our oldest daughter the way he talked to me when she was 12, I had an epiphany and realized that he would never change. I asked him to move out that summer. Not even having empathy gor your own children is really sick.
Apr 27 - 9PM (Reply to #8)
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Dcrutche

Wow, it is amazing, isn't it, how different they are when they're alone with us. In front of others, they appear so caring and affectionate. Once alone with them, the story is quite different. Good for you for realizing his sick behavior when you did. Not having empathy for your own child is incomprehensible, but exactly what you get with a narcissist.
May 11 - 4PM (Reply to #9)
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more on divorcing the Narc

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