Do you NARCS ever have a "sensitive side" or is it just an act?

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#1 Sep 4 - 3AM
lisalisa47
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Do you NARCS ever have a "sensitive side" or is it just an act?

Sorry if this has been posted somewhere earlier, but i just have to know, as i was reflecting on this today.

My NARC used to do that whole "rage" thing if i dared to ask him why he had changed in whatever capacity he was changing in THAT week.

He was very "touchy" about the "no sex, no intimacy"issue, and he once told me when i brought it up (with actual tears in his eyes) that "it hurt his feelings when i questioned him about why he was never intimate with me anymore. Over the next few months i heard another excuse in between his rages, and that was "he was going thru a phase" ( I HAD ALREADY guessed by then that the phase he went thru was when he was the man i THOUGHT i met LOL) Anyway, 2 or 3 months passed, and he was still going through his "phase". I very gently brought it up to him, and asked him when he thought that Phase might "pass". Bad idea - rage rage rage, threatened to leave, me crying, doing dishes (which i normally avoid at all costs)then he dropped the subject (like narcs do) and went on to something else. BUT THEN - about an hour later, he approached me and said, "i didn't mean to yell at you honey, but I just don't know why I'm like this" or something like that.

So my question is, (not that it matters cuz he ripped off my parents and is now sitting in jail, and i left him without saying a word)do they EVER have flashes of consciencious? If so this is what i think i was holding onto. and i have to admit, i miss him tonight (god knows why)

Sep 4 - 5PM
Susan32
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He thought he was Leo Tolstoy

Leo Tolstoy is often quoted by pacifists, vegetarians, Christians, etc. But as one biographer noted, "He who looked like an angel to the public looked like the devil to his wife." He managed to turn his wife, Sofia (who was 16 years his junior), from a talented beauty into an embittered, crazed woman. When he withheld sex from her, she'd be paranoid and hysterical. His narcissistic abuse drove her to the point that she once drew a gun on him... and she nearly attempted suicide by jumping into a frozen lake. In her diaries, Sofia resented sacrificing her own talents to satisfy Leo's (she edited "War and Peace" and "Anna Karenina" several times) She said that she had to repress her feelings around him, that she was merely a machine to him (and she bore him 13 children, whom he FORCED her to breastfeed despite the pain) After Leo died, she went to his grave daily to BEG FOR HIS FORGIVENESS. Tragic. She was a shell of a woman. What does this have to do with me? The ex-Psych professor compared him and I to Leo and Sofia, because I was 15 years younger. Like Tolstoy, he was vegetarian (okay, he claimed to be) Like Tolstoy, he railed against organized religion. He had even let his teeth rot... something Leo did that annoyed Sofia. One of his favorite quotes from Tolstoy basically says that women are stupid unless the Devil gives them the wits to do nasty things. Another was that with marriage, it's so bad that (a)men end up cheating (b)spouses end up living separately (c)the husband kills his wife or (d)the husband kills himself. Yeah... Leo Tolstoy thought he was a "sensitive guy" too. In one letter, he says that he's the most moral human being around, and the rest of humanity is SO BENEATH him.
Sep 4 - 12PM
lisalisa47
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THANKS to EVERYONE for the wonderful information

I had previously joined another Narc site, and the women were wonderful, but when I accidentally stumbled upon this site I never knew what I'd be getting in return. All of you I feel a kinship with, and I feel your pain, as well as your "steps forward". This site (and all of you) are really helping me deal with this. And, i did start a journal back in feb (it was private then cuz HE always managed to show up when i was writing about him) i just made it public. There are only 7 posts in it, just started writing in it again last night. but if anyone is interested in reading it here is the link: http://narclover.wordpress.com/ I lay my soul open in it, i cuss a lot, but i have to admit i do say some pretty funny shit once a while LOL....And, it has helped me to remember things when I feel guilty about leaving him without a word, and moving out, while he's in jail for the shit that brought him to that place. Love you guys!

LML

Sep 4 - 9AM
Alibi_10
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Sensitive? Nope

Have to agree with the other posts here ... I fell for the sensitive thing as well, but it was usually preceded by a criticism of me saying I was over-sensitive and needed help. The only time I saw him cry was when he getting maudlin about his ex-wife, saying she was the love of his life and he lost her through being selfish (RED FLAGS that I ignored at my peril). He said he would rescue animals and insects (although never saw this), but said on a number of occasions that he didn't care about my feelings !! Bizarrely, when he asked me how I felt after one his rages and I said 'hurt', he said 'I'm hurting too .. about some of the things I said to you !' - er what's wrong with THAT picture?! Hope this helps
Sep 4 - 9AM
betty2020
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Sorry but yes it is an act.

Sorry but yes it is an act. Smoke and mirrors. Dont forget their true motive is the self satisfaction of all their needs being met. They will display any front necessary to get this accomplished with everyone they meet, not just you. Internally it is not real, just simply and external act that makes them appear to be genuine. A false persona. This is a Narcissist. only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

Sep 4 - 11AM (Reply to #17)
Nicole96
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But dont they think its real themselves?

And does it matter how "toxic" or how narcissistic. No doubt my N is a narcissist with serious issues but he sometimes doesn't come close to some of the things written in these posts. I would love to think he is not THAT far gone.. THAT inhuman And its very hard to accept that absolutely nothing he says or does is genuine. I also want to be be cautious to not project things on him that are unfair or false in order to feel better for myself. This is all so hard!
Sep 4 - 12PM (Reply to #18)
Nicole96
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What was his motive?

This is what is so confusing. He appears to be avoiding me in part to not hurt me. Unlike other Ns described here my N is not flaunting the details of what is going on and in a therapy session he withheld hurtful truths. But Im confused why. I suppose it is because he knows he has already exposed too much of his N side and wants to keep me within reach? One night we had to meet with people to discuss the living arrangements. He seemed thrilled to be single and was totally oblivious to my feelings while he spoke... I couldnt help myself later and texted him how shocked i was that he could be so happy so soon after the break up. He responded with a "Yeah i am happy, cause i broke up with you for a reason and i know its right... dont worry we wont be spending time together and i dont want to be mean but dont send me anymore texts like this again. its done" i tried to call him but he wouldnt answer. He finally said "lets compromise, you can ask me a couple things via text..." i did most of the texting and got few answers and no comforting comments... he continued to refuse to talk to me on the phone and tried to get me to see why it was a bad idea. I still dont know why unless he was afraid he would say mean things? Any thoughts?????
Sep 4 - 8AM
wholeagain
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Sorta

The ex said over and over how sensitive he was. Two parts to that: one part truth in that his ego is incredibly fragile so he could be easily slighted (or annoyed if not treated just so); another part act in that sensitive got him a lot of NS from women. He could even turn exploiting women into a sensitivity issue when I think about it. All for women having equal rights--but if you really listened it often ended up being equal rights to wear hot push-up bras, take him out to dinner, or have random sex without love or commitment. I think when I was struggling to close the NC loopholes this was what was still fascinating me. His sensitive, enlightened pose and how women just eat that sh*t up, just like I did. Like others here I felt I needed to see what he was doing from the outside so I could understand better what I'd lived with and how it looked from another perspective. I don't want to repeat that mistake, don't want to be fooled again. In the end though watching him was just a distraction from my own work so I had to close the door on that. I know enough about him, I need to know more about myself.
Sep 4 - 8AM
drivencrazyinflorida
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Mine could cry crocodile tears.

The first time I told him I was leaving he threw himself on the floor crying and praying. I fell for it. Stupid me. They only cry for themselves and the loss to their supply or ego. No one else matter.s
Sep 4 - 7AM
helldweller
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sensitive

The only three times I ever saw "sensitivity" in him were: 1)When he got tears in his eyes when I told him I was leaving him because he didn't ask me about taking in his foster child. We were about to get engaged and were trying to get pregnant. He cried, "I can't lose you" and begged me to stay with him. Total manipulation. 2)When he got tears in his eyes the first night the foster child slept away from home overnight, and he sat me down on the kitchen floor (?) and said he loved me. Obviously he was just freaking out because his new supply was gone for the night. 3)When he got tears in his eyes and told me he had cancer- because I had started seeing someone else and he wanted to get rid of him so he could go back to controlling me. He doesn't have cancer. So the only time I saw him act "sensitively" was when he turned on the tears to manipulate me or when he felt insecure about his sources of supply.
Sep 4 - 12PM (Reply to #13)
lisalisa47
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Helldweller, I share an especially common story with you

OMG Helldweller, That could be my NARC's story: "Saw him on a social site, he had been one year behind in school" "Emailed me with: I have pancreatic cancer" which i tried to "cure" him of for the next year (A year in which he seemed more like a dream guy than i'd ever met) Begged me never leave him, out of the blue - which Eistein that i am, of course, I agreed LOL Had a kid with a GF they BOTH lost to drugs (Thats how the story goes anyway) but heard later that he told one GF he "adopted" a son. PS - the cancer? Although he does have something wrong with his "guts" (I tend to think it's where his guilt is stored), either he didn't ever have cancer, or I should be hightly touted for curing a man singlehandly! :) Lisa Marie

LML

Sep 4 - 9AM (Reply to #12)
Used
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secrets

my n also told me ,"a sexual secret", that he had been accused of and jailed for, he said i am telling you and only you, [everyone knew, he told all the woman], i wasent guilty, but i still wanted you to know, fast forward 2 years, when he told me, yes i was guilty, and i would do the same thing again, he said i feel better for telling you, the bible says, and the truth shall set you free, well it set me free, cos i thought i have got to get away from him, unfortunatly i could see him getting off on it. if i met someone now who told me something like this again. i would be gone so quick, my feet wouldnt touch the ground.
Sep 4 - 7AM (Reply to #10)
Used
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sensitive

yes they are as sensitive as a fucking BENZEDRINE PUFF ADDER.
Sep 4 - 12PM (Reply to #11)
lisalisa47
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LOL!

Lisa Marie

LML

Sep 4 - 7AM
helldweller
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sensitive

The only three times I ever saw "sensitivity" in him were: 1)When he got tears in his eyes when I told him I was leaving him because he didn't ask me about taking in his foster child. We were about to get engaged and were trying to get pregnant. He cried, "I can't lose you" and begged me to stay with him. Total manipulation. 2)When he got tears in his eyes the first night the foster child slept away from home overnight, and he sat me down on the kitchen floor (?) and said he loved me. Obviously he was just freaking out because his new supply was gone for the night. 3)When he got tears in his eyes and told me he had cancer- because I had started seeing someone else and he wanted to get rid of him so he could go back to controlling me. He doesn't have cancer. So the only time I saw him act "sensitively" was when he turned on the tears to manipulate me or when he felt insecure about his sources of supply.
Sep 4 - 6AM
Bodhi
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Yes & No

Remember that narcs have really fragile egos... Any perceived attack on them is really just a blow to their ego. My ex-narc also seemed to have this sensitive side. I don't think it's an act but I also don't think he was tapping into his emotional side. Don't read into this too much... you're here because he treated you like crap. Remember that.
Sep 4 - 12PM (Reply to #7)
lisalisa47
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Good - no....... GREAT POINT Bodhi!

Lisa Marie

LML

Sep 4 - 6AM
monique94550
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Sensitive Side

No LisaLisa. No sensitivity, no empathy, no love. They aren't capable. Do yourself a favor, and journal about the reality of your life with him. All the details about the criticism, the hateful looks, the devaluing and demeaning comments and actions, the lies. Write about how the circumstances of your life have deteriorated as the result of your relationship with him -- your health, your job, your financial security, your relationships with others. Then when you are missing him, read what you wrote, and it will help you distinguish fantasy from reality. I also recommend another website www.melanietoniaevans.com. That's where I heard of Lisa Scott in the first place. Melanie has some great free articles on recovery from narcissistic abuse, and you can listen to her recorded radio shows on the subject of narcissistic abuse, codependence, boundaries, etc. Her work has been key to my recovery so far.
Sep 4 - 12PM (Reply to #5)
lisalisa47
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I needed this....thanks!

Lisa Marie

LML

Sep 4 - 7AM (Reply to #2)
iAmMINE
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monique94550 ~~ thanks again for the link!

Just wanted to let you know this site and this link are very instrumental in my recovery as well. I had found the link in one of your previous posts.

~~~ Keep Learning & Keep Healing ~~~

~~~~~ The best revenge is to survive and be victorious over it. Nobody can take from you what you don't give them.

Sep 4 - 8AM (Reply to #3)
The Girlfriend ...
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They can sure pretend it

Mine is such a great actor...he pretended to be a really sensitive guy...I thought he was one of the most caring sensitive men I ever met... Turns out it was ALL an act. He has no real empathy or ability to care about anyone...other than himself...he just uses this act as if he is a 'compassionate & sensitive soul' because it is one of the behaviors he has learned to mimic because he has noticed it makes people around him think he is a sensitive 'great guy'. For example...he would save someone who is drowning...as long as there were people watching who would then applaud him for being a HERO. If no one was around to watch...he would never help a soul! Oh wait...I am wrong about that! He would save a drowning person if no one else was around in one situation...as long as she was young, pretty & sexy and he thought she might 'reward' him for his heroism with a little 'nooky' later... Forget love - I'd rather fall in chocolate!
Sep 4 - 8AM (Reply to #4)
helldweller
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Drowning

Oh, brother. Mine always used to tell me about when he fixed this drunk woman's flat tires and then insisted on driving her home forty miles away--and how she offered him a blow job to than him for it, but of course he refused. "Just trying to help!" When I had one flat, he said, "Honey, you have a flat" and got in his car and drove away. The best is how he punches his foster child while they are in the house alone and then insists on holding his hand everywhere they go. The selfless, heroic, sensitive single foster father. Sickening. And how he tells everyone the story of how his poor child's mother is a drug addict and prostitute and "what could I do but take him in?" but tells me that my daughters should "grow up and get over" their horrible experiences with their alcoholic father.