Is this as full of bullshit as I think?

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#1 Nov 14 - 3AM
nomoredenial
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Is this as full of bullshit as I think?

Now that the ow is not working out, he wants to get back together. (we were separated) When I say that I don't know that nothing has changed he says that she taught him how to love, that is was a spiritual thing and he was suppose to have the experience of her not wanting him so he could empathize with how it felt (he left one day, he says because I wouldn't stop telling him hes a n, which i haven't totally figured out yet but it sure seems like it.) I tell him that its hurtful that after 14 years I didn't teach him to love but she did after 2 months. He says but you don't understand, i never cry but with her the first time we had sex we both bawled like babies. to me it feels like he is being hurtful but when i look at him its like he sees through me and he doesn't know what hurt is. Like putting a person with a numb hand on a burner, they would just look at you like WHAT
He had come over the last 3 days and tried to have sex once but i refused, he wanted to stay tonight but i just didn't feel like being around him. it feels like so much work and disorienting. I am terrified of getting hooked.

Nov 14 - 12PM
nomoredenial
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am I pretty

One other thing........I felt so ugly when i was with the n towards the end. i would cover my face when he looked at me with that LOOK. When he was wanting to come back in the last few days. (the ow is trying to decide if she wants him, in his mind god put him in that position so he could see how I felt) anyway when he was here he was kinda trying to decide if i would be with him he could ditch her since she cant make up her mind. So he says to me, you know when i came to the door and saw you I was like "oh yeah you are cute" in other words, yeah i guess you will do. WTF Oh and he has two sons of which i kid you not he said maybe a handful of words to them both times he was here.in his talk about getting back together he NEVER mentioned being a father, happy to see the boys or anything. It was strange to SEE how self focused.
Nov 14 - 12PM (Reply to #11)
spinning
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no more, this is great to see

you getting it out and realizing that your gut is telling you the truth of the situation. This guy's a real piece of work! YUCK! You deserve so much better and you will get it. The more you sweep out the disordered ashes from your life the more room there is for the great stuff to enter. I know because it has happened to me. I can't wait for this to happen to you, to everyone here. Great work, no more! You're doing great. Most sincerely, (not) spinning. AND SO HAPPY ABOUT IT!

spinning

Nov 16 - 11PM
nomoredenial
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Nov 14 - 10AM
spinning
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no more, please say "no more"

to any further contact with this beast. What you describe here is classic. Textbook behavior. Supply is low so he's back to recycle you. Your disorientation will cease when you cease contact with him. He does not deserve to have your time or attention. You do not deserve nor desire to be spoken to in this way. He can "talk to the hand." Close the door and you will find peace of mind. Most sincerely, (not) spinning. BECAUSE I'M NO CONTACT AND LIKE IT THAT WAY!

spinning

Nov 14 - 6AM
NarcJunkie
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Kick him out of your life, please

It makes me angry just to read what the guy said to you... this is utter BS with a mean hurtful subtext. Trust your gut feeling! Basically, he is blaming you for the end of the relationship (bc you told him he's a narc) as well as telling you how the OW was so much "better" than you bc she taught him how to love - thus challenging you to take him back and prove him wrong. Do you see how this is manipulation? He is telling you how he has "changed" and how he wants you back, and at the same time guilt-tripping you and rubbing in the pain. And please don't buy his BS about it being a "spiritual thing" with the OW... it makes me feel sick (I had an ex like that). The guy just got bored after 14 yrs and wanted some excitement, so he went out and got it without ANY regard for YOUR feelings, and now that she dumped him he desperately needs supply and suddenly remembers his nice comfortable nest and wants to see if he can have it back. Please don't allow yourself to be sucked back in and become his doormat! If you take him back, you will signal that you are weak and willing to fall for BS apologies and this will give him permission to go off with another OW whenever he feels like it because he now knows that he'll have you to fall back on. You don't seem sure that he's a Narc yet and you also don't sound very angry, so yes, you probably are in danger of falling back into his trap. The only way to avoid this is NC! You let the guy into your house several days in a row, this is an invitation for him and he will try everything to get you back (into bed at least). I hope you will have the strength to keep him out - you will only regret it and feel humiliated and even hate yourself if you give in. Keep your pride and protect yourself! NJ
Nov 14 - 6AM (Reply to #7)
empath
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nomoredenial

Everything NarcJunkie said..she speaks the truth! What a crazy cruel N you are dealing with, rubbing the OW in your face like that...while you volunteer for it! Don't even want to know what he did to humiliate the OW. Wow. Do not give this guy one more second of your time...batten down the hatches with NC and stay NC until your head is clear enough to see what the rest of us here can see. Wow. I am just speechless at how this guy is attempting to degrade you...even more speechless that you are allowing him the opportunity to try.
Nov 14 - 4AM
Hunter
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Ok.. So what do you want?? Do

Ok.. So what do you want?? Do you like the " scrambled eggs" talk?? You like being compared to OW?? Then stay and keep doing what you're doing... NC is the recommended treatment.... Hunter
Nov 14 - 4AM
adoette
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Yes, it is BS

Big BS, indeed. I've heard a lot, but this one gets some kind of taking-the-cake award. Please do not let him near or into your house again. You said, "I just don't feel like being around him." That is your inner voice screaming to be heard. You heard, but are you listening. Honestly, what a load of crap. Let him "hurt". He came back to you for one reason: He is short on supply and wants a hit. Don't let him use you. You deserve so much better. I'm sorry this has set you back. Take a deep breath and get going again on the difficult, but beautiful, journey back to yourself. Stay strong and kick him to the curb. You said, "to me it feels like he is being hurtful but when i look at him its like he sees through me and he doesn't know what hurt is." He does not. He will not. Ever. Stay strong. Adoette
Nov 14 - 6AM (Reply to #4)
empath
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adoette

Yes, the taking the cake award...you said that right! Super cruel.
Nov 14 - 3AM
freaked
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nomoredenial, you must not

nomoredenial, you must not allow him back. narc disorder is not curable. read plenty of sam vaknin and you will make you firm decision. it is fortunate you were rid of him. if you are not financially dependent on him, then please say NO and do NC. Get a restraining order if he is not obeying your order to go away. these PD sap our energy and peace of mind. Happiness comes ONLY after we can manage to be completely RID of them. please don't do any experimentation. r/s with PD cannot work. it is not good for us.
Nov 14 - 12PM (Reply to #2)
into the light
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Such utter bullshit - and

Such utter bullshit - and normal guys would laugh at another guy trying to reel you in with that line. Give him the narc bullshit medal and close the door in his face. They are pathetically textbook - Spiritual? No way. Don't fall for it.