Healing, AFTER No Contact, Takes Time

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#1 Aug 1 - 5PM
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Healing, AFTER No Contact, Takes Time

from the book 'Help I'm in Love with a Narcissist'
by Steven Carter and Julia Sokol

Healing Takes Time

We promise you that you will heal; we promise you that you will reach the point where you will wonder how you could have possibly found this person attractive, interesting, or desirable. We promise you that you will eventually be grateful that you didnt have to spend your life with this self-absorbed and selfish person. We cannot promise you that this will happen overnight, but we know that it will happen.

For yourself, focus on the healing process. Be good to yourself and take care of your own mental health. Don't pick at scabs; try to stop examining and re-examining the relationship. Find people to support you through this process.

One final bit of advice: don't blame yourself for your ex-partner's behaviour. The insight that is going to make all of this easier for you revolves around your awareness and understanding of narcissism. Nothing you did or said created this narcissism; nothing you can be, do, or say will make it disappear.

Why breaking up with a Narcissist is especially difficult:

- You never really understand what happened or why it didn’t work; you lack a sense of closure......

- Relationships with narcissists tend to be more about promise and potential than they are about the kind of real stuff that happens between two people who are trying to forge a working connection. Men and women who have been in love with narcissists often say that they feel as though their relationship’s never played through; they say that they don’t believe the relationship had run its course. Instead it almost feels as though the relationship was just getting started and needed only the slightest push to get off the ground and soar. That push never seemed to happen. A common statement we have heard is “We could have had such a great relationship if only....”

- We think it's pretty safe to say that nobody with a rock-solid sense of self and a good support system gets enmeshed with a toxic narcissist.

- Having a relationship with a narcissist always means leaving a little bit of yourself behind.

- Relationships with narcissists rarely reach the plateau where a couple is arguing about anything real. When people argue with their narcissistic partners, they are usually complaining about behaviour that is primarily reflecting the narcissist’s unwillingness to be in a real relationship. Splitting up with a narcissist is particularly difficult because the relationship you were promised never happened, and you don’t know why. Since you never feel as though you shared a real relationship, how can you understand what did or didn’t take place?

- Trying to get explanations from narcissists can be an incredibly frustrating endeavour. Even in their break-ups, narcissists tend to be unwilling to give any sense of closure. They are typically unwilling or unable to explain what happened because they don’t understand it, either. They also don’t understand your discomfort in not having any real answers, nor do they want to.

Why are narcissists so hard to leave?

"Narcissism is also about feelings of sadness and depression. So the classic narcissistic partner has this 'look-at-me' quality, but also has this 'oh poor me, I really need help.' They draw you in with the sadness and the emptiness and you feel that somehow you can fill this void. And you tell yourself, he really loves me -- even though he's cheating on me every other night of the week."
[Review of “Help! I’m in Love With a Narcissist,” by relationship authors Julia Sokol and Steven Carter. (M. Evans and Co. by Kristin Dizon for Seattle Post Intelligencer
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/lifestyle/219049_narcissist07.html]
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You don’t understand why your partner refuses to do anything to save the relationship.

You know there is a lot of good stuff between you and your partner, so why won’t your partner go with you to a therapist or counsellor? Why won’t your partner work with you to resolve your difficulties?

You may hope that if you could get your partner into a therapists office there would be a positive outcome. You might think that if somebody other than you explained the situation, your partner would have an “Aha” moment of clarity and understanding. Under these circumstances, perhaps you and your partner would be able to communicate and find ways to smooth out your problems. But for the most part nothing you say and nothing you do seems to get your partner into a therapist’s office; or if your partner does agree to making an appointment, chances are that he/she will go for one or two sessions and then find something wrong with the process or the therapist. In a few rare instances, the narcissist will consult a therapist but will somehow manage to sabotage the entire process.

Typically narcissists don’t think they have a problem, that’s why they don’t want to visit counsellors or therapists. They don’t want to work or fix their relationships because they don’t want things to be different. they want to stay in that space that that allows them to live in fantasy-land and swing from idealization to de-idealization.

Many narcissists always have at least one foot out of the door of any relationship they are in, and they don’t want anyone to call them on their behaviour. They don’t want to be held accountable. They don’t want reality or a realistic process such as therapy or counselling to interfere with their way of operating. This is usually more important to them than any relationship.

Once the relationship is over, you may still be second-guessing everything you do. You may be thinking, "If only I had done this-or that" Be assured that no matter what you did or didn't do, your narcissistic partner would have started dismantling you. Your relationship didn't end because of anything that happened. It ended because of who and what your partner is.

You can’t figure out why your partner seems angry at you.
She’s the one who cheated. He’s the one who lied. She’s the one who left you sitting at the airport for six hours. He’s the one who borrowed money to buy a new car and then wouldn’t return either the car or the money. Why are these totally selfish self-involved people angry at you? Most likely you have touched a nerve that your partner didn’t want touched.

When you get too close to a narcissist, you run the risk of touching the rage they feel coming from their essential narcissistic injury. It’s also a good idea to remember that narcissists don’t take responsibility. They always have a way of justifying their behaviour and blaming the other person.

If your partner was unfaithful for example, he/she may blame you for not stopping them or for not having been available on the night that they met the new person. A narcissist is fully capable of saying something like, “Is it my fault that you were home taking care of the new baby on the night I went to that party? I was feeling alone and neglected”.

Feb 7 - 11PM
Barbara (not verified)
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quietude

I believe one of my GGFs was Jewish... but I was raised Catholic... Yeah and I knew Psycho Boy for 27 years. There were signs in 1975 but I was too young and a lot of 18 year old guys act like jerks. I wrote most of it off. 7 years with exNH before it started... and it was slow... like Chinese water torture. ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Feb 1 - 9PM
rache
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In any relationship be it narcissist or not

i think as women,we leave a little bit of ourselves behind.After all,we gave of ourselves totally.
Feb 7 - 10PM (Reply to #31)
Barbara (not verified)
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what's left behind

I know I left trust behind as well as naivete gone forever. ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Feb 7 - 3PM (Reply to #27)
cynthia (not verified)
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mmmmm

The only thing I will leave behind is regret, since the first day I set eyes on the fraud love rapist thief!!!!!
Feb 7 - 11PM (Reply to #28)
quietude (not verified)
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still us, minus

...some stuff we used to have, as mentioned here...TRUST being a big one. The thing that has knocked me off my chair is the fact that some of these people show very little to no signs for some time, then suddenly the mask starts slipping. I mean, how long is it okay until you really know someone?? Six months, 2 years, five years?? Even watching for RED FLAGS... Sigh, if it wasn't too late for me to be a nun, that might have been the way to go! ;)
Feb 7 - 11PM (Reply to #29)
Barbara (not verified)
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quietude

I think we should start a nunnery... but make sure they take Jewish girls!! ;) My exNH was a peach for 2 years living together then 5 married... and by then I was so conditioned that when the mask started slipping ever so slowly... I barely knew what hit me. I had also been so conditioned by my NarcMother to think it was me... I dragged myself to therapy. Guess what I found out? It wasn't me!!! ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Feb 7 - 11PM (Reply to #30)
quietude (not verified)
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Barbara

Sure, I'll ask! :) Funny family story of how my great grandmother was Jewish but pretended to be Catholic so she could marry my GGF...guess this was a big family secret, I thought it was hilarious. Yours is one of the stories that comes to mind when I talk about how do you really know someone?? Two years is a long time to hide it...sigh!
Feb 2 - 7AM (Reply to #14)
GettingOut
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rache

the only thing I'm going to leave behind is a nice fat ginormous pile of divorce documents. :-)
Feb 2 - 9AM (Reply to #15)
rache
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LOL

Good one! The N i married is 66 going on 67 and has so many health issues you'd think he'd worry about his soul,but,he thinks he does no wrong-third year of end stage heart disease,one kidney,high blood,cholesteral etc,second pace maker,osteoporosis,but,still chasing women.He told me he wanted to spend his money and not leave one red cent to anyone.I was only married to him 3 months-but-going on 3 years of being with him/dating etc.He NEVER intended to take care of me financially,and,none of his wives lasted the 10 years married to him that social security requires .A hum dinger.
Feb 2 - 1PM (Reply to #16)
Barbara (not verified)
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rache

what SOUL would that be? ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Feb 2 - 3PM (Reply to #17)
rache
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GOOD POINT Barbara!

I even wonder IF these people can be saved.I even asked the shrink(who was a deacon at one time)IF they could be,and,you know what he said? He didn't know if they could either! He said they do not have any regard for God!
Feb 2 - 4PM (Reply to #18)
Barbara (not verified)
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rache

why would something that is NOT HUMAN (I am not joking here) and SOUL LESS be saved? http://narcissists-suck.blogspot.com/2007/11/wicked-man.html http://www.cosmicwalk.co.za/christian-abusers.html http://narcissists-suck.blogspot.com/2008/01/is-it-wrong-to-hate.html and btw - they ARE God. ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Feb 7 - 12AM (Reply to #25)
girlfriday
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soul?

My theory is that they sold that soul to the devil at birth. That is why nothing bad seems to happen to them. It's as if they are protected. And we end up looking like the crazy ones.
Feb 7 - 9AM (Reply to #26)
rache
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Girlfriday

YOU may be on to something there.This man seems to have survived a lot of stuff.I thought God was giving him another chance,but,who knows...
Feb 2 - 4PM (Reply to #19)
rache
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You know

I used to get upset and say OH GOD! And he'd-(N),say,did you call me! I told him he was being sacrilegious and he'd laugh and say he knows i'm just chiding.
Feb 2 - 5PM (Reply to #24)
TexN (not verified)
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I HATED when...

The narc would say " Holy F***ing God!" Oh my gosh, how dare he even say those two words together?!!! It would give me the major creeps!
Feb 2 - 4PM (Reply to #20)
Barbara (not verified)
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rache

they always say they are "kidding" when called on their crap They are NOT kidding. http://narcissists-suck.blogspot.com/2006/08/savior-complex.html ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Feb 2 - 4PM (Reply to #21)
rache
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NARCS AND AGE

Thought they got more mellower with age,but,mine got worse or didn't change.My shrink said on a scale of one to ten he was a nine and that his pic should be out from it! Also,he said there was a very good possibility he is a sociopath/psychopath,and,that these are used interchangeably.
Feb 2 - 4PM (Reply to #22)
Barbara (not verified)
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rache

1. Sociopaths & Psychopaths are 2 different things. NOT interchangeable. That is wrong. I have posted about this before. 2. They do NOT get mellower with age. EVER. Have you read WITHOUT CONSCIENCE? Your ex-Sociopath sounds like a good poster boy for the disorder
Feb 2 - 4PM (Reply to #23)
rache
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agree totally,as,he is so Vindictive

Always seeking revenge.his rages are on a dime to.Got to where 3x a week we'd argue,and,his moods! My lord,his moods were worse than a dozen women in menopause!I'd say-whats wrong,and,he answered whimpy nothing,then,he'd start blaming me with pidly s..t.also said he'd never laid a hand on a woman,ever! Well,he slapped one of his exes for throwing water in his face,pushed me down on several occasions-while i was trying to leave out the door.Would sit down in front of door to stop me,and,threatened to stay up all night to keep me from leaving.Holds grudges etc....blames me with his cheating online i could go on and on...
Dec 1 - 2PM
neveragain
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Printed Out and Going In My Library!

This was so well written. Thank you Barbara! I will read and re-read this one. There is so much truth in this article and it is so validating. neveragain
Nov 30 - 9PM
Barbara (not verified)
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Healing, AFTER No Contact, Takes A LOT of Time

READ TOP POST ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off. - Gloria Steinem
Oct 26 - 8AM
Barbara (not verified)
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it takes time.... a LOT of time

and only after TOTAL NC see top post ~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Pathologicals only discard the best, most precious of gems of people... not the worst. They despise the strong, principled, decent & honest. Their discarding of you is then their highest commendation of your worth!" - A.V.
Sep 3 - 10PM
Barbara (not verified)
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Healing After NO CONTACT

SEE TOP POST ~~~~~~~~~~~~ CLICK HERE: Articles & information for Narc Victims - Updated Daily "As soon as you feel that crazy sense of walking on eggshells, fending off N-rage, stop. Walk away." - Dr. M. Beck
Aug 2 - 8AM
baddream
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Yes, excellent points.

" Relationships with narcissists tend to be more about promise and potential than they are about the kind of real stuff that happens between two people who are trying to forge a working connection."" We try to find validation during the relationship, and we continue to look for it after it has ended. In the absence of closure, that never happens. That is why it is so difficult to let go. We keep trying to understand it. Most of us have not encountered this pathological experience in our lifetime so can not come to grips OR BELIEVE what has happened to us.
Aug 2 - 2PM (Reply to #8)
Barbara (not verified)
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baddream

there is also a tremendous amount of brainwashing & hypnosis type stuff that goes on which makes letting go really problematic? Have you read WOMEN WHO LOVE PSYCHOPATHS? (covers Narcs too) It's a must read. But we MUST let go or we will never heal. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Articles & information for abuse victims - Updated Daily Online Coaching for Victims of Narcissists/ Psychopaths
Aug 1 - 10PM
quietude (not verified)
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re: "post" N

*****"Instead it almost feels as though the relationship was just getting started and needed only the slightest push to get off the ground and soar". Wow! I went through this so many times. I felt like we'd get sooo close to a breakthrough, then the bubble would burst. It was the most frustrating feeling. Like painting the outside of a big house, and it rains as soon as you're finished. *****"When people argue with their narcissistic partners, they are usually complaining about behaviour that is primarily reflecting the narcissist’s unwillingness to be in a real relationship". YES! We fought about 'nothings'. We didn't have any REAL big issues, so stuff had to be made up by my ex. Little stuff turned into HUGE dramas. Now I know that he made sh** up to avoid the REAL problem....HIM.
Aug 2 - 8AM (Reply to #2)
red one (not verified)
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wow

YES, as well. All of these comments and thoughts have come out of me in the past 5 years multiple times. Thank you Barbara. I just hope I can get to the NO CONTACT point-- I'm sure he'll be calling in a couple of days as always. Even though I read all of these wonderful and powerful messages, I am still not "feeling" any of this yet.
Aug 2 - 8PM (Reply to #6)
Barbara (not verified)
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unless you want to hurt forever

nothing "strong" about going No Contact IT IS THE ONLY WAY!!! http://www.lisaescott.com/2009/08/01/no-no-list-after-you-or-he-leaves Change your phone number or call and have his numbers blocked. NO CONTACT NO CONTACT NO CONTACT ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Articles & information for abuse victims - Updated Daily Online Coaching for Victims of Narcissists/ Psychopaths
Aug 2 - 7PM (Reply to #3)
exmrs.gwa (not verified)
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Wow #2!

I am going to borrow Red one's WOW! I think I am "lucky"! I left my N husband a month ago and he has not wanted a DARN thing to even DO with me..He is nice enough to me and we no longer "fight about the stupid things" but when I left it's like in his head he said "it's over and I don't want her back...ever". I have had a "FEELING" for a long time now he's been seeing someone on the side and that really would not shock me at all....but I am out of the marriage (it's all over but the shouting and the lawyers).... but....and oddly enough....can ANYONE offer any insight into this....my husband told me he does not even WANT to talk about divorce now....WHY? I am willing to just hammer it out and GET IT OVER WITH. SO...we shall see...but...it was a GREAT article and finding this site has been a God send for me!!