How to have No Contact with the father of your children?

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#1 Jan 7 - 8PM
littlemisscrazygirl
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How to have No Contact with the father of your children?

So, the subject pretty much states my question for this post. My NPD ex is also the father of my children. I do try my best to keep a No Contact approach. But, I must say. It is hard as heck when he is the father of the kids. Does anyone have any good tips on how to handle this situation?

Things I have done so far. I have blocked him from emailing me or sending me messages on Facebook. I blocked him from sending text messages to my phone. I have all his calls sent straight to voice mail so my phone doesn't even ring. Now he can still leave a message and if I deem it to be important. I can take care of it. I don't text or call him.

I've done all these things but it still doesn't feel like enough. From time to time I have to talk to him about the kids. Which I have to try and keep to a minimum because he has used them in the past to get to me. I think the most important thing for me was blocking his text messages. That was his favorite way of trying to get to me.

Anyways, any tips you have would be nice. What are the boundaries? What should I talk to him about? What shouldn't I talk to him about? Should I even care at this point in my life? lol

Aug 24 - 8PM
Momofone2000
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An ex that feels like he can do whatever he wants.

K Williams

Jan 9 - 2PM
Gracerella
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I have found a place that I

I have found a place that I am happy with in terms of lack of contact/managing contact with my exNh. We have three children, from 3-10, and he has 'standard extended' visitation. He is blocked from my cell, but his home line is unblocked in case our kids need to reach me. My two oldest have iTouches (purchased by me) and can text or facetime me from his house whenever they want. I refuse to speak to him directly, deleting his voicemails if he tries to leave one, and closing the door on his face if he tries to talk to me when he drops off/picks up our youngest. I will say hi if I see him at school, but stay on the opposite end of the room or leave it entirely if I can. Dialogue is only in email form, and I save everything. Each month I send him a break-down of that month's visitation schedule for approval. Once he approves it, it's set in stone. If he forgets or asks to change things, I forward the email with his agreement reminding him. There is no negotiation, no discussion, no leeway, and no ability to mess with OUR life with HIS whims. I don't agree to allow extra visitation or changes to the plan. If he can't take the kids, I keep them, but there aren't 'trades' or 'hey, how about I grab them for dinner'. I've learned repeatedly that this only opens the door to additional communication from him. He's been advised that when he is able to communicate with me respectfully, we can revisit this. Until then, the decree is followed to the letter. This allows me to reply to his requests with 'I prefer to follow the decree. Thanks.'. He'll ask for reasons, try to insult me, threaten me, call me names...and I just reply (sometimes cutting/pasting the same response repeatedly until he stops) 'I prefer to the follow the decree' If he gets upset that I didn't allow him extra time, I have the decree to point fingers at 'This isn't your decreed time. They will see you next on x...' This doesn't stop him from verbally abusing me, which he is fond of saying is my own fault. But I can't control what he says, only my reaction to it. By minimizing his ability to communicate with me to only emails, I have strong boundaries that allow me to open (or not) emails that I can tell just by their first few words will be insulting. I can take the time I want to formulate my reply, making sure it is businesslike and unemotional, despite what barbs he tries to throw my way. Most of the time I don't reply to his rantings at all, only sending short, to-the-point replies to just the questions that require an answer. In turn, my emails initiated by me are informative, short, unemotional, and I ask for nothing that isn't mine by decree. I don't ask him for favors, even if I think he may agree. He doesn't get to have that power over me (he is notorious for changing his mind at the last minute, dangling it like a carrot overhead until I do what he wants). If I am overwhelmed with getting three kids to three different places while working full-time, I ask friends or cancel/change plans. I don't go to him for ANYTHING. If I can't do it on my own, it doesn't happen. If there's something I need his agreement on that's not in the decree (the kids' private school tuition, for example) that's not in the decree, I always have a back-up plan and assume that he will not fulfill his obligations. Then, when he lets us down, I already expected it and am not in crisis. This means I do a little extra planning every step of the way, but it's so worth it in the long-run. He is a mosquito to me, though still a primary player in my kids' lives. I can't control that either, and just hope that he keeps them safe and fed while they are with him. The majority of the time they are with me, and I provide a consistent, nurturing environment that I *can* control. (btw, this only took me three years to figure out. I have come *so* far, but it didn't come naturally, and certainly wasn't easy)
Jan 9 - 2PM (Reply to #8)
GeorgiaGirl
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Wow...this is awesome!

Great job with your boundaries! I love the "I prefer to follow the decree"...talk about sucking the power right out of his hands.
Jan 8 - 11AM
Jelickuk
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I have 2 children aged 11 and

I have 2 children aged 11 and 13. I have absolutely no contact. Any contact with him is too much for me. Everything go through a third. party. I don't allow him on my property. He picks them up and drops them off at the bottom of the garden. Easier that way. Was tricky at first but has mostly settled down now
Jan 8 - 11AM
ordinarycourage
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Low contact

is the way to go. I have been "co-parenting" for 7 years now. What I have done is: not answer phone calls but allow him to leave a message (He has NEVER left one!), blocked him from texting me (best thing I ever did), left email as has only option for contacting me. I save ALL his emails. In the early days, even his emails made me physically ill, but it has gotten easier. I got cell phones for both my children so that they can always reach me and I them. He has moved multiple times and never bothered to get a landline. I also told my children that they can contact me at any time day or night if they need to while they are with him. As far as what you should and shouldn't talk to him about - I say only things that endanger the health and safety of your children, and only email. If you can, get someone you trust to pick up your children during exchanges. My exN has tried every trick in the book, being chronically late, bringing his OW to flaunt in my face, "forgetting" what time we have agreed to meet and all manner of things.
Jan 7 - 11PM
nomoredenial
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I have been where you are

I tried the whole civil thing but he used them to get to me. The x would rather not have to deal with his kids AT ALL so its easy that way (BAD FOR THEM) sad but I work out of town and they need to stay at his house at night sometimes. I email one liners example...Kids need to stay with you Thur night bus for school in the morning Yes no? Nothing else, no chit chat no nothing, I would not like phone messages becasue I dont want to hear the sound of his voice, I dont like text because it feels like and invasion on my phone. I would say email. One liners, no conversation.
Jan 7 - 9PM
GeorgiaGirl
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Its impossible

to be NC when you have children with a narc. I have 4 kids with 2 different narcs and I practice what I call low contact or LC. I only communicate by an email account I set up specifically for that purpose and only what is absolutely necessary - no chit chat. I keep every email as documentation for court as I have been back to court numerous times. I follow the parenting plan to the letter with no exceptions made except in the case of a death in the family. If I see the narc in public at a school event or sporting event I act as though they aren't there and sit in an entirely different area than them. I block all known phone numbers to prevent calls/texts and block them from facebook, twitter, etc. I've been doing this for over 5 years although I didn't know about the personality disorder until a year ago. I just knew that exN#1 made my life hell when I had contact with him so I shut him out of my life and the kids' lives when they are with me. My baby girl's dad gives me the silent treatment unless he wants something so I'm good there. Its hard to "parent" with these assclowns but it can be done. Can you tell us more about your situation?
Jan 8 - 9AM (Reply to #3)
littlemisscrazygirl
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My story

I plan on sitting down one day and writing out my story for the forum. However, it is a long one! Basically, I have been in an on and off again relationship with my NPD who was also abusive. This time around we have been apart for 3 months. I am completely dedicated to this being the last time we split up. I have no more love for him in my heart. Besides all the awful and abusive things he has done to me over the years. I also found out about him cheating. I'm tired of wasting my life over something that can never be fixed. I do feel bad for whoever dates him now but, there really isn't anything I can do about it. So, I try not to think about it. I'm taking Zoloft and Xanax to help with my anxiety and panic attacks and I am seeing a counselor. I am also starting to college to give myself a bit of direction. I guess I just have a lot of fear. Even though I know this is what I want I just don't believe I can do it. It's been such a long time of on and off. Also, even though we have been apart for 3 months now. Two times over the holidays he tried to tell me what to do. I'm wondering if he will ever be able to talk to me like a human being and the mother of his children and not an object to try and push around. I have to say I think I have done pretty good. I am recognizing things that he would do that would normally make me upset or jealous and I am working them out in my head to be no big deal. I guess I am trying acceptance of him and the situation. It's just so hard sometimes. I remember one time in the past when we were split up. He asked if he could buy the kids new shoes. So, I took the kids to the mall with him and the whole time he was flirting with me sexually. Than this time around I let him go Trick or Treating with us and he did the same thing. I just don't want to be around him at all. I don't talk to talk to him. Nothing. From time to time he calls me about unimportant things. Like his Xbox broke or whatever. I don't reply. I did talk to him a few times over the holiday break though. He was supposed to have the kids for a week and they were very unhappy and he wanted to bring them back early. Which is totally fine by me. I like having a break but I would rather have them with me. My son smelled horrible and my daughter had a rash on her crotch. I don't think he knows how to take care of children. Not saying I am a great parent. I have a disabled son, another son with special needs, and a toddler. I am bound to make mistakes. But I can at least wash them and put them in clean clothes!
Jan 7 - 10PM (Reply to #2)
missym
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I've started to handle him strategically

Look, you have to begin to get super smart, savvy and strategic when dealing with them. You might even call it manipulative...because they are actually quite easy to manipulate. However, you have to act in ways that may be extremely difficult. For example, you have to "appear" to be covetous of his opinions....complimentary of his "ways"...supportive of his desires. Figure out what your kids need, and work it in a way that uses his disorder against him. For example, in my case, I know he REALLY does not want the full responsibility of our daughter 12. BUT, he certainly cannot appear to be a bad daddy. And, in a very shallow way, he loves her and cares for her...BUT, I can help him have "outs" in his dealings with her if I sympathize with his complaints of her and what not. Less time with him is better for my daughter. But, if I put it in his face what a creap and constantly remind him by my disgust of him....we would never be able to manage our lives and our kids lives...