I told the OW and now I am getting screamed at!

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#1 May 31 - 5PM
rainbow1
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I told the OW and now I am getting screamed at!

Please help me everyone! I need moral support right now. The N started dating this girl after we broke up but he was still sleeping with me. While he was with her he cheated on her multiple times and had 3 somes. He also cheated with me at the end of the relationship and would call me crying asking to get back together. He was with her for about 2 months asking me to back with me before they actually broke up.

Since then I guess he has been doing the same thing to her, calling crying and everything while still telling me he loves me. Well this weekend we all went to the same town but with different people. I ran into the N and he told me he loved me over and over again.

Then me and the OW ran into each other but she didnt know who I was. I told her a little later but we were having so much fun together that she didnt care. We hung out all day and went to dinner and had a great time. She told me the N has been trying to get back with her. And she told me that he says he never cheated but she had a bad gut feeling that he did.

So I told her everything. But we still had a great time and became friends and scheduled a concert for a few weeks away. But the N found out that I told her and now he is making my life a living hell.

I dont know what to do. He is telling me he hates me and to never talk to me again and that I am just a dumb jealous bitch. He is saying horrible things. And he told me that he is going to make sure that we are not friends.

And me and her are talking right now on FaceBook and he is telling her that I am crazy and lying and that they will never work out if we are friends. And he is telling her that I am in love with him and I cant move past it. Even though he told me 4 days ago he loved me!

I don't think that she believes him but now I dont know what to do! He is going to make my life hell he said. He did this before were he lied to all of my friends and I had no friends for about 5 months. Not one person would talk to me so I know he will do it again. I am so scared! I think that she had a right to know, but what do I do now? Do I try to make it up to him so that he doesnt try to ruin my life? Please give me some advice!

Jun 1 - 11AM
rainbow1
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what really confuses me

Is that he is trying to convince me that I'm lying. He told my I'm a dumb jealous bitch and that I lied to her. When I asked him what I lied about he didn't say anything about the other girls he cheated with or about the 3somes. He said I lied about ME AND HIM SLEEPING TOGETHER! he said it didn't happen when they were together when it did. When I tried to tell him over and over I'm not lying and we did he would ignore that part and tell me I'm dumb or a bitch. I'm so confused!

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Jun 1 - 12PM (Reply to #24)
agnesmurphy17
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Personality Disorder

Why do you talk to this man? Don't you get it? You would get a more meaningful conversation from talking to the wall. The wall gives as much as he does. And the wall does NOT abuse you. The man suffers from a personality disorder. He's a liar & a manipulator. Without empathy or a conscience. He will say & do anything to have what he wants, when he wants. He will say & do anything to make himself appear to be what he wants to be so as to extract that which he wants. He calls you names because he is ABUSIVE! What is there to be confused about? Does it matter why a man hits a woman so hard that she is hospitalized? No. But somehow it matters here to know why he calls you names & accuses you of lying when he is the liar. Well, he does it because he's verbally, emotionally & psychologically abusive. He's gaslighting you. So, now the question is answered. Hope you are less confused.
Jun 1 - 10AM
agnesmurphy17
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Enraged

Your N is ENRAGED because YOU had the nerve to explode the "manufactured mythology" which he has been feeding this NW. Ns are always enraged when YOU "unmask" them. They feel no shame for having been caught out in a lie. Again, they are the victim of YOUR craziness, YOUR lying, YOUR manipulation. (Gee. Sounds like projection to me.) So. What's a girl to do? If your N is threatening you with harm . . . get a Restraining Order. Punching your male friends, stalking you so as to re-erect a relationship, threats to harm you & damage your reputation . . . & why shouldn't you get an RO if you don't want a relationship with this man. As for what the NW thinks. Who cares? If she sides with him, she'll learn. You did girlfriend a good turn. It's in her ball park now.
Jun 1 - 9AM
helldweller
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rainbow

I feel so deeply for you. I see all of my old neighbors and parents around here just kind of going back to talking to my narc, putting it all behind, and I feel so betrayed by everyone. I am definitely the one that came out smelling. I hate it so much. It would have been so easy for him to gloss over. My ex husband was convicted of arson and used to actuallly chat with the narc. He told him several times that I was "crazy"--you know the bit. So I'm the woman who drove her ex to arson because I'm so nuts, who had mutliple affairs, yada, yada. A cake walk for him to make me look bad, whileeveryone sees the judge holding hands with his Eskimo foster child. Ugh. It sucks. I would say: do not be friends with the narc's other woman. Not a good idea. Do not engage with anyone related to him in any way, shape or form. The narc's brother's girlfriend always tried to be friends with me, but she ended up blocking me on facebook. You just never know the popwer they have over people. Please just disengage. And yeah, move. Like I should, too :( So unfair.
Jun 1 - 8AM
Deidre40
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This is one, small town! lol

This is one, small town! lol Everyone's ''bumping'' into everyone like...every day? lol Move out of this hole. Seriously. Start a new life somewhere away from this mayhem. (I would) I agree with susan. Just go NC. Ignore him. Ignore the OW. Be done with this drama. I'm sorry he keeps pulling you in, then cheating...then lashing out...and the on and no it goes. But, only you can stop it. You can't control him. Only how you handle him. Good luck, and think about moving! Serious! :=)
Jun 1 - 10AM (Reply to #20)
rainbow1
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I do live in a small area

I do live in a small area where everyone knows each other, but this town that I was in over Memorial was a vacation town. But all of my friends know him and he knows all of my friends. I wish I could move but I cant. I go to college here and I am part owner of a business here :(

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Jun 1 - 6AM
Susan32
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Know HIS vulnerability

And play with it. Your N is clearly relishing the conflict between you&his new woman. What I realized (by my own experience)... is that what bothers Ns the most is when you REFUSE to be part of the triangulation. He likes the conflict between you&the new woman. He's loving all the drama. GET OUT OF IT. I literally lived down the street from the ex-Psych prof's girlfriend (she worked at a museum)... not once did I take advantage of the opportunity to tell her about the BS he fed me. I was NOT going to be the one who broke them up. HIS vulnerability is seeing you move on, act as if nothing happened, and "faking it till you make it." Getting involved with the soap opera with the new woman is giving NS to the Narc. DON'T DO IT. I'd tell the Narc to have a happy life with his new woman, say that she's a better fit, more compatible (you can do it without putting yourself down-okay, people are incompatible, doesn't make them bad) He'll probably have a meltdown.
May 31 - 10PM
rainbow1
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I left out the worst part

Thank you everyone here for being so supportive. I left out a big part of the story the day before I met the OW. I was embarrassed to say but I feel more comfortable now to share. The couple days before when we were all in the same town I avoided the N. Then the 3rd day he came and found me. He found me walking with one of our mutual friends and punched him in the stomach telling him not to sleep with me or try anything. I just walked away and he yelled he loved me as I was walking away. Then he I ran into him that the pizza place and he asked me to sit with him, bought me our pizza we always used to get when we would go there together. Gave me his credit card to buy what I wanted and asked me to sign my name on the check and keep his card. He kept running into me and calling me baby and that he loved me over and over again and tried to convince me to sleep with him. I kept saying no and that he should just go find some other girl to sleep with that doesnt have so much history with him. I told him not to try to sleep with me if he doesnt really love me and was just going to ingore me the rest of the weekend. But of course my emotions got ahold of me and I slept with him 10 minutes after he took off for hours and I was left with his friends. So we all went to the only bar in town together. I was dancing and the N came up to me and asked me what I was doing and to dance with him. I told him no and that I was having a good time so he pulled some other girl over and was trying to make me mad. And it worked! I started swinging on him like a crazy person and I have bruises from him holding me back. I felt so crazy and still do. I am so embarrassed that I behaved that way. Now I feel like the N has a reason to tell people that I am crazy. He was so angry with me after that and now that I told the OW he's furious. I just dont get why he had to tell me he loved me! Why?! Why not go sleep with some other girl that wont cause drama? I told him to go find someone else and I meant it.I honesly didnt care. But to tell me he loves me to sleep with me then hell at me today that he doesnt love me and I need to move on is so crazy making to me!

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Jun 1 - 8AM (Reply to #17)
Deidre40
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why did he say he loved you?

to keep you hooked. They don't mean what they say. It's hard to accept that. I still struggle with it.
May 31 - 10PM (Reply to #15)
Arwen
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It's ok Rainbow...you just

It's ok Rainbow...you just did what we all want to do...swing like mad at our ex N's. But listen, sweetie, this is now physically violent, the situation you are describing. It sounds to me that he is stalking you. He sounds INCREDIBLY unstable. You need to get scared right now. This man is a true psychopath. Please read the amazing post one of our members just left on the forum called The Hierarchy of Psychopaths. It is crucial that your read this. I am fearful for your life after reading the story you just told. It's ok - don';t be embarassed, this is what they do to us. They live to make people angry and act out in ways they normally wouldn't. You are in grave danger my dear. I don't want to see you ending up as a statistic and if you think you won't, you're dead wrong.
Jun 1 - 11AM (Reply to #16)
rainbow1
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patiencegoal

I dont want to sound naive but I dont think that I am in any real danger. His patterns in the past where that he broke in once. Drove by the house a few times but would never admit it. Threatened me and dragged my reputation in the dirt. But I am thinking that this is probably the final D&D so he will just go away and never remember I existed.

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May 31 - 8PM
Jannie In the Sun
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Narcs are Crazymakers!

Read up on anything regarding crazy makers. It helped me understand the relationship with my N. They are passive-aggressive and manipulative beyond recognition. Jedi-mind tricks! It is not you, but you are the only one with the power to make him disappear. Good luck and love yourself, be good to yourself, be honest with yourself and stay connected to people who can help.
May 31 - 8PM
wacaet
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all my N's ex's were crazy

all my N's ex's were crazy liars I once told him, upon one of our many breakups "be sure to tell the next girl that I'm crazy and a liar" anyway, yes, stop talking to both of them the "friends" that are your true friends will stick by you the ones who don't weren't your friends anyway
May 31 - 7PM
Goldie
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Rainbow

You seem like you are in the throes of your addiction and not seeing things clearly. I've been there many times. The last time you were on here you sounded like you were beginning to see him for who he is and now it sounds like you have been sucked back in. Please read what you wrote again. This man is cheating on you and another woman who you know now and threatening to trash you to your friends. WTF, why are you giving this idiot so much of your beautiful power and life. You have gone many rounds with him and still he is the one in control or your life? Am I missing something here, who cares what a lying, cheating, trouble maker has to say. This man is no good, pure and simple. He is trouble. He has no clue what love is. He just knows how to use and abuse. He is humiliating both of you. There are no winners here. People who listen to people like him are not your true friends anyway. These are just people in your crowd not your real friends. Your real friends know him for what he is and are not going to shun you because he says something stupid about you. They know the deal. How many more months do you want to waste of your precious life with this joker. He is not boyfriend, friend, or husband material. He is a player and a bad one at that. The time has come to digg deep here Rainbow, what exactly are you getting out of this now? You need to look at Rainbow and ask her why she thinks she deserves to be a party to this 3 ring circus. This is not you when you are on top of your game, this is your addiction. My best shot here would be to get out now and begin the healing process again. This reminds me of the time his friends were coming on to you and somehow you were made out to be the villain. This man is a crazy maker. Is this what you want for your life? You deserve so much better. I just reread what I wrote and I could be talking about my XNP here. The stories are different yet the behaviors are the same. He trashed me to his friends, his coworkers, his father, his boss, his prison buddies and still I took him back. He lied, cheated, played me just like this guy is playing you and I still went back. He humiliated me with his words over and over again and still I went back. Why did I go back. Because I wanted him to love me. I wanted all of that to change and him to start loving me like other boyfriends love their girlfriends. I had to come to realize that it was never going to happen because people show you who they are and they are not going to suddenly turn into someone else. This is who they are and this is what you get and this is what you will continue to get until YOU stop it and YOU get out. It is never going to be different. He is not going to change. You are the only one who can stop this. Go NC NC NC and get Rainbow back again. She is worth it, he is going to stay the same. God bless, Goldie
May 31 - 9PM (Reply to #8)
rainbow1
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goldie thank you

Thank you for your nice words. I think part of the reason I think it is me is because he has had nothing bad to say about her. Even when they broke up he told me he was kind of sad even though he broke up with her to be with me and the whole time he's said she's a good girl and girlfriend. But he's always said I was crazy. They had a nice clean break up but everytime I break up with him its ugly and I become the "crazy ex". He even had bad things to say about every other ex. But right now when I'm getting yelled at she is getting lied to and told that if she talks to me ill make their life hell. Why is she so special?

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May 31 - 10PM (Reply to #10)
Goldie
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She is not my dear

The chances are strong that she does not feed into his bullshit like you do, like you said yourself she did not even mind that you were the OW. She was kind of sad, she probably did not give him rations of shit, who knows she may not even be into him to the extent that you are. Which makes it easier for him to play her without a big hassle. Some woman are more pliable. Also he knows exactly how to push your buttons, you are more aware of his crap and call him on it, which is fine, he needs to be called on it, and he knows that it makes you nuts to be put down, talked about, called names, told you are crazy and this is how he controls you. He knows that you are a quality girl or he would not keep coming back. It's like the kids at school who keep getting picked on by others because they can get a rise out of them, it bothers them and the bullies see a weakness in them and they get off on trying to make them feel bad. They go for our weaknesses, they find our vulnerabilities and they run with it. This is all about control and manipulation. If he thought that he could not get to you with this, he would not waste his time, but every time he does it, you react. Look at where he has you now, you are a mess over this. Narcs look for quality and they also look for the chink and when they find it they will play it over and over again. Example: when I was a child my father favored my sister. I was the straigh A student the good one the smart one and I was the one who called him on his bullshit. My sister got in trouble, did poorly in school, and was self centered, yet she was a suck up who learned young how to get what she wanted. She could do no wrong and he always seemed to have attitude towards me and never praised me for anything. I could not understand this at the time. I tryed hard to do things special and got no credit and my sister did not do much of anything and was treated like a queen. This created a weakness in me where when I was with a man and he said his x's were great and then started criticizing me it would set up this horrible feeling in me and I would feel intense jealousy like she was better than me in his eyes and he did not love me. Because I had a weakness in me already and the Narc could see it then he began to play up the OW even more to hurt me and I would go nuts because I have doubts in this area. I have no weakness about my ability to do a good job at what I set my mind to do and that I am intelligent so if the Narc where to say: you're dumb or you are not doing a good job at work, I would simply say, ya right, because there is no weakness there. He does this because it bothers something in you which causes you to react strongly and he knows this. There are probably thing about you that you are secure with and he could say something about those and you would not even react. This is about us Rainbow, not them, something inside of you does not think you are worthy of a healthy boyfriend and relationship and he can see this so he tortures you with this, once you get your self esteem up and realize how special you are, first of all you probably won't want this crazy relationship anymore and you won't care as much what he says or thinks because the people who know you and love you, I'm sure do not think this about you. You need to find a way to believe that this is all so far beneath you and that you deserve to be treated with dignity and respect and stop looking for it in a man who does not have it to give. The way this man has treated you and others over these months is completely unacceptable. He treats you like crap because that is who HE IS, NOT WHO YOU ARE. Once you get stronger and no longer believe his lies on any level, he will not be able to push your buttons anymore. Somewhere in your life you have received the message to question yourself and I am here to tell you that you do not need to question yourself about this bullshit because that is what it is pure crap. How dare he talk to you like that and how dare he treat you like this. I am Rainbow and I am a beautiful, loving, caring, smart, talented girl, who is not the slightest bit crazy and I deserve to be with a man who loves me, honors me respects me, does not cheat me or lie to me, and loves to be with me every chance he gets and treats me like gold. Say that 10 times a day and see how your attitude begins to change. I have been following your story for months now and I pray for the day that you can tell this creep to piss off once and for all. God bless, Goldie
Jun 1 - 11AM (Reply to #11)
rainbow1
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Goldie

Is this the final D&D? Since I unmasked him to the new woman. Will this be the last time he comes around? He said some horrible words to me that he has never said before and he told me to go away and to never talk to him again. Before he has been mad and said horrible things, but I am thinking that this is the end. If it is I am sad but relieved at the same time that I do not need worry about him coming back around. What do you think?

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May 31 - 9PM (Reply to #9)
Arwen
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Ah Rainbow..."why is she so

Ah Rainbow..."why is she so special"? Now the real reason for you wanting to spend the evening with this woman has come out. You wanted to compare and despair...to beat yourself up some more and examine her closely to see what you are NOT. We all talk about exactly this issue on these boards alot...wondering why he treats the OW better than us or what we think is better treatment. And how do you know what he says about her to the TEN other women he is sleeping with???!! Rainbow, every woman on this board will confirm what I am about to say: HE WILL DEVALUE AND DISCARD HER JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER WOMAN. Read that carefully and take it in. He has ALREADY done this to her by trying to come back to YOU! Please re-read your post, see how he plays everyone against everyone else. Honey...you have to get distance, go N.C. with both him and her, and any other woman who has ever been with him, you have to stop obsessing over what he does, what he says, etc. You are worthy and you just don't feel that right now but in time you will. It will take awhile - I am on the same road as you. Trust all of us here and WALK AWAY.
May 31 - 7PM
Hunter
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Rainbow

I agree with Michele. Im a huge Bitch, give me his number, if youre afraid of him Ill be happy to tell him where to go and what he is for you. "FUCK HIM". These guys are a bunch of chicken shit losers. You are letting him push you around. Don't. In fact if you want to piss him off more click and delete. If his friends side with him let them. who needs them? Don't be afraid. The OW knows what he is. Give her this link. Enough said. I do agree with Gettinbetter. Just stay out of the whole thing. Detach from anything linked to him. You are better off. Hunter
May 31 - 7PM
michele115 (not verified)
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Well you know we advise not to get entangled

with the OW's BUT since you already have, yell the hell back and tell him where to get off! Don't be afraid of him and if he threatens to call you crazy and you have it in writing, get his ass for slander/libel...afterall, absent an official diagnosis of "crazy" is it not slander? Excuse me but tell him to F off! I'm done - maybe you're not ready to be that aggressive, but at this point, I'm not angry but I believe the narc knows better - that he's safer cowering beneath his own ass at this point. I never was scared of him. Heartbroken yes, but never scared. I realize that is not the case for everyone and for legitimate reasons, but the more I read, unless they are truly psychopaths, they're freaking cowards... Hugs!
May 31 - 6PM
gettinbetter
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Rainbow disengage from all of

Rainbow disengage from all of this ASAP. This is an explosive, volatile situation. First of all I don't think either of you is done with him which means both of you are sharing information and you will use it to your advantage. Secondly you have backed the psychopath into a corner and not only exposed him but have made him fearful of losing both of his supply sources at once. He is an addict and when an addict can't get a fix their behavior can become quite volatile erratic and in the case of a psychopath dangerous. Step out of this triangle ASAP. I promise you it won't turn out goof if you dont
May 31 - 6PM (Reply to #3)
rainbow1
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What do you mean by step out?

What do you mean by step out? Just stop talking to both of them? I am fearful that he is going to go spread lies about me to everyone we know (we have the same group of friends).

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May 31 - 7PM (Reply to #4)
gettinbetter
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Yes. Do not speak to either

Yes. Do not speak to either of them anymore. Read up on triangulation. Ceasevand desist. He will spread lies about you anyway but if you stay nc and don't react he will stop. If you continue in this triangle I promise you it won't turn out good One of the times when the psycho got really physical with me was when this very thing happened. I exposed him to the other woman and he went off on me and got physical. I saw anger and rage in him that I had never seen before. Be very very careful here rainbow. These people are so volatile no one knows for sure what they are capable of. Look at Scott Peterson that guy had no criminal history and most people thought he was a pretty nice guy. He murder his own wife and baby on Christmas Eve.
May 31 - 6PM
rainbow1
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Does anyone have any advice?

Please help. I am so scared. And he is telling her that I am lying and crazy. I really dont hope she falls for it. She was a great girl.

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