"I Want a Strong Woman"

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#1 Oct 3 - 7PM
tresor2
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"I Want a Strong Woman"

Have any of you heard that before? This is what N told me a number of times when I cried and showed emotions because of one of his hurtful behaviors and neglect. He said, "You can't have these meltdowns" and be with me because that's what his last wife did and it interfered with his high powered job. Basically, he called me weak!

For the longest, I thought there was something wrong with me because I was not able to stop feeling or reacting. I tried so hard to tolerate the abuse and neglect but, I couldn't. There was still part of me that wouldn't allow him to totally do me in w/o a fight.

I would get mad, cry, call him on his crap, end it, explain, preach, inquire, ask; nothing changed. Now that I understand NPD so much better, I realize that pretty much everything I said and did was narc food. The only way it may have worked is if I had become an inverted N or a full blown N; or if I would have died.

He wanted a robot, just like himself; a yes person that was willing to bend over whenever he gave the nod. In return, for being "good" and not melting, I would get a free dinner, a promise and/or and a night in his little castle. He actually had the nerve to tell me to be "good."

Pitiful, pitiful PITIFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oct 6 - 12AM
rosedewittbukater
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Not trying to hijack this thread but...

In addition to a separate link in included in my reply to emtg below, this will give you all a dirty laundry list of what has been happening to you, and I think it is pretty relevant to where this thread is going in regards to the sex thing. xx, Rose http://www.chameleongroup.org.uk/npd/sex.html
Oct 5 - 11PM
Erali
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I had my ex say the exact

I had my ex say the exact same thing to me! It's creepy how much of the same lines just keep coming up from everyone here.
Oct 6 - 8AM (Reply to #62)
Froglegs
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Yes it is!

It's like they've all read from the same script, but make minor changes in order to suit their lifestyles. The foundations are identical though. Very creepy indeed!
Oct 4 - 12PM
foreverfun1
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the end of idealization

the end of idealization started because he said i became "insecure" and "needy". he found it a "huge turnoff" but he was the one who made me that way by forgetting to answer texts and tons of other little things, like when i realized he didnt know my last name after being together for 6 mos! also that he hadnt even told his family or friend about me. why did he string me along and fuck with my head for 2 years. i was so good to him and tried so hard but it all meant nothing. (i know why ,cuz he's a narc, i'm just on the big pity pot today sorry)
Oct 5 - 9AM (Reply to #59)
deckard
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i feel like this too

foreverfun1 - I feel the same way. ER played me like this too - made me this clinging unsure, paranoid, scared little thing then held it against me. I've been strung along for a year and continue to be and I have been so good to this man and it means nothing too. I mean nothing. I have never felt so bad in my life.
Oct 5 - 10PM (Reply to #60)
dulcinea441
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You don't mean nothing --

You don't mean nothing -- that is how he has intentionally made you feel for his own purposes of obtaining power and control. HE is nothing -- all he has in this world is to hurt other people in order to give some meaning to his empty and pathetic existence. You are a wonderful, giving human being with a huge heart. Never forget it!
Oct 5 - 12AM (Reply to #56)
dulcinea441
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When my N withdrew from me,

When my N withdrew from me, cutting off almost all communication, I became frantic. I crawled on my knees for weeks and weeks pleading for some sort of response. When he finally did end it, he cited my "neediness" as one of the reasons he no longer wanted to be with me. Of course, he turned me into that needy, desperate woman, quite on purpose, I am certain. It's just another way they torture us before finally putting the dagger in.
Oct 5 - 10AM (Reply to #57)
agent995
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that's what happned to me too...

He ruined me (i was srtong and confident and lovely) Now i am frantic as well. I have a stomach issue due to stress and all i wanted to do is scream at him but i can't because he moved to hk.. (convenient for him) stay strong..
Oct 5 - 10PM (Reply to #58)
dulcinea441
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It seems as though

It seems as though pretty much everyone here has suffered some sort of physical illness because of their abuse: stomach ailments, heart problems, hair falling out, etc. When I think of the way these Narcs casually toy with out lives and our health, it makes me furious. They are monsters, plain and simple.
Oct 4 - 8PM (Reply to #40)
emtg
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How long did the idealization phase last for everyone?

I was just curious. Mine lasted about 8 months and then stopped - the same way people describe. as I became more attached, he became less. As he stopped answering calls and texts I became more "needy." I am also wondering if the sex stopped dramatically for everyone after the idealization phase? thanks - always helps to hear everyones stories. always like reading my own thoughts.
Oct 4 - 10PM (Reply to #45)
foreverfun1
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yes sex dropped from 3 hour

yes sex dropped from 3 hour marathons 4 times a week at least, to almost never and never trying to please me anymore
Oct 4 - 10PM (Reply to #46)
emtg
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What is this about?

Can someone please explain this sex thing? I honestly don't think he was cheating on me. Not because he wouldn't - just because he hadn't gotten around to that form of abuse yet and I think was too lazy. Also I know he watched a lot of porn. Don't they want to have sex? WHy isn't this a need of theirs? How does this fit with my understanding of men and sexual desires? Is it just a punishment to us? This was one of the hardest things for me to take- the complete sexual disinterest and withdrawal. thanks for all the replies!
Oct 5 - 9AM (Reply to #55)
StudentOfLife
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They use sex as a tool to

They use sex as a tool to control us in a variety of ways.
Oct 4 - 11PM (Reply to #54)
foreverfun1
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emtg

this was the hardest thing for me too!! for my N i think once the idealization wore off he no longer found me sexually intriguing. he would spend hours flirting with girls on dating sites and pursuing them, while at work. also watched a lot of porn. apparently they spend a lot of time in fantasy thinking about their next conquest too. mine still liked sex just no longer with me, cuz i was too "needy" aka wanted a real relationship
Oct 4 - 10PM (Reply to #47)
rosedewittbukater
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emtg

They use sex as a weapon. It's about punishment and control. Was your narc a cerebral or somatic? As I have read, both types prefer masturbation to actual sexual relations with another person. Cerebral narcs regard sex as a chore and something that is common and beneath them, though they will perform in the beginning of relationships because they know it is necessary to hook their targets. Somatics are much more adept at sex in general, but will still withhold as a means of control and manipulation.
Oct 5 - 12AM (Reply to #48)
emtg
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Pretty sure cerebral

I have heard of this sex as a weapon thing and it certainly felt like that. In the beginning (idealization), lots of sex, and lots of oral sex which he was surprisingly quite good out -- although it often felt like he was more in a talent competition than it to me. ANyway, sex died out, oral was nowhere insight. and mastrubation central. and sex felt like a chore. he would even say it felt like a chore when I would question why he never wanted to have it. and of course, the more I wanted it, the less he did. But it seemed like he wasn't just doing it out of obligation in the beginning. are they into it then? I don't know why I have been hung up on the sexual stuff so much. Perhaps because it really messed with my head in an area in which I have always been pretty confident. But what is it about Ns that defy the normal principle then men want sex? that their need to punish outweighs? he would often push me off of him and tell me to go masturbate or that I misread his signals. trying to stop obsessing and just accept.
Oct 6 - 12AM (Reply to #52)
rosedewittbukater
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emtg and everybody else on this thread

thanks to Spinning for posting this! I think it is really relevant to this thread, so I would like to repost it (sorry I don't know how to bump it up) http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2011/09/15/so-you-think-sex-was-so-intense To answer your question "was he into it then? (during idealization) Yes. He was. But for totally different reasons that you or I would have. They may have even felt or believed they had found the perfect partner, "the one", their fairytale, love of their life, and all those empty lines. They may have even believed those lines they put on us during that phase. But they CANNOT let me repeat myself, CANNOT progress any further down the road into something real and mutually satisfying. Does any of this ring a bell? Also check out the article I posted from chameleon group. http://www.chameleongroup.org.uk/npd/sex.html Love, Light and Peace to all who come here~
Oct 6 - 5PM (Reply to #53)
emtg
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BRILLIANT!

The sexual addiction throwing me a bone thing rings so true. It also explains why I woke the fuck up when he stopped having sex with me to punish me for one month. I was no longer getting any drug and he became even less appealing. It is scary that I would have stayed longer had he decided to stop the punishment perhaps one day earlier. His response to being thrown out: "I will go home and have sex with you now if you would like." puke puke puke.
Oct 5 - 9AM (Reply to #49)
deckard
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mine is a somatic serial cheater

The idealization phase with him lasts about 1-3 months on average with every woman that he sees regularly (there are others that are one or two nights only). The sex fell off at three months and even though he is a somatic he sort of regarded it as a chore. He was always saying to me that he would give me what I wanted, making like it was all me and he didn't want it at all. He prefers masturbation definitely - jerks off sometimes twice a day and makes masturbation videos and sends them to other women. I am also hung up on the sexual stuff too because we had such a passionate sex life. It started out as 4-5 times a week then down to three times a week and eventually once or twice a week. Devalued and devalued.
Oct 5 - 12PM (Reply to #50)
emtg
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deckard and others

When the sex dropped off did you say something and did they provide an excuse? It was such a shock and change I said things and then he would always provide excuses or twist the blame around, such as "I'm tired and we are planning a wedding and working so much," or "It is no fun to have sex when you turn it into an obligation" or "I did want to have sex and then you did [insert anything]" blah blah. I felt so pathetic when I would try EVERYTHING -- feels so fucked up and embarrassing.
Oct 5 - 6PM (Reply to #51)
tresor2
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He said he was

busy with his work which took him all over the country and the world...LOL...he is so important...he'd fit me in when he could...
Oct 4 - 9PM (Reply to #43)
tresor2
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About 6 months

He told me I was a "Mercedes" LOL. Then, one day he goes to China for 3 weeks and comes back as a totally different person...that was the end of of the idealization phase. They usually start witholding and disappearing once they've decided that the initial thrill is over. Once they figure they "got you," they start backing off.
Oct 4 - 10PM (Reply to #44)
rosedewittbukater
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Tresor - the thrill of the chase

Yes Tresor! I read somewhere "they love the chase but hate the kill". It seemed like a switch was thrown somewhere. As you said, I experienced the same disappearing act and withholding beginning almost at the very same moment I felt the most attached and committed.
Oct 4 - 8PM (Reply to #42)
rosedewittbukater
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6 months

give or take. Sex didn't stop after that, but there was a definite "drop off". The more attached I became the less...yes. Ignoring calls and texts, ditto. She even refused to answer the phone when I was on the way to meet her for one of our dates! I was lost and was hoping she might help guide me to the restaurant...ha! (as became the norm after this phase was over, it was a last minute impromptu date so I had no time to look up the place or get a map) Asking a narc for directions? What was I thinking...
Oct 4 - 8PM (Reply to #41)
drcrnp
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I was The Most Wonderful

I was The Most Wonderful Woman in the World for 6 months. Then, the winds shifted, imperceptibly at first but within another month it was clear. In typical N fashion he berated me: "You've fallen out of love with me!" If only I had understood then that what he meant was, "I have fallen out of love with you."
Oct 4 - 7PM (Reply to #38)
emtg
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How long did the idealization phase last for everyone?

I was just curious. Mine lasted about 8 months and then stopped - the same way people describe. as I became more attached, he became less. As he stopped answering calls and texts I became more "needy." I am also wondering if the sex stopped dramatically for everyone after the idealization phase? thanks - always helps to hear everyones stories. always like reading my own thoughts.
Oct 4 - 8PM (Reply to #39)
heritage
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em

Idealization lasted 3 . 1/2 years and then drastic change in behavior then devalued for a year then discard a month before my divorce was final. The sex turned more demanding, less loving. But throughout I dealt with silent treatment, mood swings, temper tantrums and lies. He ran back into arms of old gf from 7 ears ago. He was only with her 6 months and she ditched him. So he never got to D&D stage. Now he has been with her 6 months.
Oct 4 - 12PM (Reply to #35)
Done sourcing
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Use, abuse, confuse...it's

Use, abuse, confuse...it's the way they were, are, and will always be. Understanding that will allow us to re-evaluate what we experience with a new pair of glasses, focused on the reality of what was really happening behind the mask and mirrors. Part of growing is hurting, and it cannot be avoided! ds
Oct 4 - 12PM (Reply to #36)
freaked
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Great Rhyme DS

Super Rhyme you made up Done Sourcing! Use, abuse, confuse... great! and we gotta DEFUSE & REFUSE ! a narc is a walking time bomb. MOVE AWAY!!!!!!
Oct 4 - 1PM (Reply to #37)
Done sourcing
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And don't forget what the

And don't forget what the wise man said regarding fans. "When the shit hits the fan, it isn't ever distributed evenly"! Stay away from bombs, fans, and narcs! ds