Just a question for all of you? Please respond if you can

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#1 Sep 26 - 6AM
jaycee
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Just a question for all of you? Please respond if you can

When replying to a response from Shaynasmommy, i was babbling about somethings and ask her this burning question. Why would a woman (im referring to my hN's whore) ever want to be with a man whose children she has never and will never meet? my children have no intention of ever meeting her or ever speaking to their father's whore. They have said it multiple times, he can have her, but we will never ever meet her or speak to her, we have no interest and we never will. and our children 19 and 21, are very head strong, they do as they say and never back down to certain things, so i am as certain as i sit here, they will never communicate in any way shape or form with this woman. it burns me to think she would want a man who barely sees his daughter, has not seen his son in a year, has not spoken to him in six months, did not even see him when he came home from Iraq (hn made no effort whatsoever) as his excuse was he doesnt want to see me, im dead too him, his loss........really........his loss.....no your son is a hero, an amazing young man and you should do whatever it takes to make amends with him......but no, barely ever even asks about him.......except once to say, tell your son to loan you some money so we can catch up on the house taxes.......nice......need i say more......but the question for today is what kind of woman would want to commit herself to a man whose children she will never know, never even have the priviledge of meeting? i dont get it, i would never want to be with a man whos children i was not welcome to meet, or know they hate me, no matter what his excuses are, she knows it aint gonna happen...lol.......is it because she could care less as long as she has the illusion that he is close to her son? or is she just so happy she has him she could care less about him having children? ive asked him not that he has any truths, but ive asked, does that whore know she will never ever know our children, and he said, yes, he said she wanted to meet our daughter, but at first i kept saying its too soon, and now i just say she doesnt want to know you. if i were her, i would be sick if the man i loved had children who hated me or wanted nothing to do with me, i wouldnt want to continue in that relationship, it wouldnt make sense to me....yeah big deal she met his mom a few times, good luck with that, i knew the woman for twenty four years, and i meant nothing to her, so the whore can have her, because she doesnt want anything to do with anyone her son is ever involved with. i know im babbling another sleepless night, feeling very ill today, football season was my favorite, now, knowing he is with her watching the games, makes me so sad.....but thats for another day..........please if you can respond to this, it burns me to think there are woman out there so shallow as to not care if they ever meet the the children of man they love, regardless of their ages.

Sep 27 - 4AM
helldweller
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jaycee

I wrote a long thing about this the other day and accidentally deleted it but just wanted to say that I know where you are coming from. My narc forbade me from being involved in his child's life, and it was one of the three things that made me finally leave. A normal woman could not accept that. That said, this narc and his woman are not normal. She is certainly taking the easy way out. She can pretend that there was no original woman, no children from that love. She can pretend that it was just her and the narc all along. Sure, every woman wants that, but to pretend it when it isn't true is immature, irrational, delusional and ridiculous: all things the narc certainly encourages her to be. The narc certainly also tells her that she is the most important thing: that if someone doesn't like her they can f*ck off, including his own children. It's a sick situation. I think this woman is either part narc herself, or seriously fractured and codependent. Now THAT said, you need to stop worrying about them and start thanking the good Lord every day, on your hands and knees, that this couple from Hell does not want to be involved in your children's lives. Hallelujah!
Sep 26 - 10PM
neverlookback
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mmmmm?

but the question for today is what kind of woman would want to commit herself to a man whose children she will never know, never even have the priviledge of meeting? The same kind of woman that stays with these men KNOWING what they are and what they do, the same kind of woman who goes through the pain of NC who tries to break away from the manipulation, and brainwashing. I agree that many of these men's OW ARE bottom of the barrel but many of the OW ARE NOT, they are decent women who have become victims and question why they ever allowed something like this to happen to them. They are not the home wreckers you may imagine, they were taken for a ride hook line and sinker God knows what they tell the OW to get them hooked. Try not to blame the OW even if she is a WHORE in your estimation, blame the sick SOB that roped her in.
Sep 28 - 9PM (Reply to #50)
2RudeInAK
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blame the sick SOB that roped her in

I know it’s hard but that is sooo true. Having been betrayed I get the constant – "what does she have that I don’t?" ”why is she so much better than me?“ ”if I was as good as she is .........“ Not to mention the constant replaying of the mental tapes. None of this is anything more than us haunting us. They’re NOT better. They’re JUST new/different -- not better. xbf: 1 ½ year relationship before I discovered he was a closeted sex addict and fulfilling his fantasy of having an affair w/ a married ’friend’/lady. (At that time I am in my sr. yr of studies and working as an aquisitions analyst in R/E; she is a hair dresser.) Did I mention the hookers and the porn library? xNbf: left his wife (veterinary’s assistant/model/aerobics instructor) of 14 years to be with his ‘assistant’ that he created a position for (who also happened to be a rich widow that never did much beyond shopping) so he could retire at 50 due to health issues. (FYI, she died 1 ½ years after they made their ‘relationship’ public. He got everything. Her adult children get nothing, -- not from their mother or their deceased father -- until the xNbf dies.) xNbf Dad: maintained, over multiple decades, two households that included his wife (nationally renowned cartoonist and heiress to millions) and his mistress (a registered nurse). I just don’t see any of these men ‘trading up’ though that is what they would all have us believe………… on the other hand – these aren’t trashy, bottom of the barrel women either. Men don't focus on a relationship with the children unless they are sick. It is the woman they are focused on..........
Sep 29 - 6AM (Reply to #51)
jaycee
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blame the sick sob

2rudein, Im a little lost from you post. First of all there is not a thing I m jealous of my hN whore, there is nothing she has, other than the ability to wreck a marriage, well, help a man to wreck his own marriage, I dont care what she has, i dont think she is anything, she is absolutely a bottomfeeding disgusting exuse for a human being, not some unsuspecting young woman who was roped in, she knew exactly what she was getting into and fought tooth and nail to destroy me, as she called my house after sleeping with my husband for over a year and introduced who she was and let me know she was sleeping with my hN and that he was going to leave me for her, my other posts go on what this roped in girl, as you would like to imagine did. So Im quite lost in your reply, you went into something about someone and several women, I get the part about not all being bottomfeeders, but guess what, my husband's is absolutely bottom of the barrel trash. as for the statement about children, didnt get it.

Jaycee

Sep 27 - 6AM (Reply to #45)
jaycee
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mmmmmmm

neverlookback, as I have said, had the ow been some unwilling victim of the sob, and got hooked and never tried to hurt me blatantly, i wouldnt have anything but pity for her. but, like ive said a thousand times, she was no innocent victim, she fought me tooth and nail, abused me and tortured me as much as she could, normally, one never hears of the other woman calling the wife, following her into stores and laughing in her face, coming to her home and leaving things in the mailbox, all to get me to throw him out, because he didnt want to leave, he just wanted his cake and to eat it too. she is a whore, not in my estimation,but plain and simple a homewrecking whore, no innocent victim of the sob.

Jaycee

Sep 28 - 8PM (Reply to #46)
neverlookback
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Then put the garbage where it belongs

Then consider the source Jaycee, she sounds like a real winner which doesnt say much for the SOB that wants her, that is the kind of women he wants? May they live happily ever after in their sick world together. Rise above it Jaycee because you ARE ABOVE IT ALL. Her behavior sounds like that of a child, and since narcs have the maturity level of an 8 year old they should get along great.
Sep 29 - 6AM (Reply to #47)
jaycee
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neverlookback

neverlookback, you are right, she is garbage and hes garbage to want someone like that. they are both about eight in mentality and should get along well, lets hope they get into another big playground fight, and walk away from each other and move onto another pile of garbage. lol

Jaycee

Sep 29 - 8PM (Reply to #48)
neverlookback
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Hope they fall off the jungle gym and break their necks ha

hey christmas is coming up you need to ask them what they want from santa, send them some toddler toys - remember you are dealing with someone that is emotionally stuck in the age of a child, so its no wonder a woman such as her would be attracted to him so they can play their little child like games. One thing I learned is I now live in the REAL WORLD, where there are problems to be solved, compromises, responsibilities to others and ourselves, to be accountable for what wrong we do to others. They are not apart of the adult real world, in fact they are cowards that run away from truth and the damage they to to mankind. Release them Jaycee to the life they prefer, it is not a life I ever want to be exposed to again because it nearly destroyed everything I was. Once you realize what a sick person you were involved with you will never want to look back.
Sep 29 - 10PM (Reply to #49)
Susan32
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That makes Christmas shopping easy!!!!

If that means I can by toddler toys for my nephew and the ex-P (their fathers' names are the SAME, so I could use the alibi of "oh, that was an honest mistake")!!! The ex-P's teeth were rotting away the last I saw him... my nephew now has 5. The latter is DEFINITELY teething. "Cowards that run away from the truth"-The ex-P's favorite character in "War and Peace" is a general who beats a hasty, cowardly retreat. I remember telling the ex-P "You can't run away from the Truth. It WILL catch up with you." And if his teeth are down to 5, he might need something to chew on! Suggestions will be greatly appreciated!!!
Sep 26 - 4PM
fooled no longer
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As long as you are calling

As long as you are calling this woman a whore you will not move on and are blaming her for his mess. She is a victim like you were, feel for her and move on. Be glad you are going to be free.
Sep 26 - 7PM (Reply to #41)
jaycee
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as long as you are calling

well fooled you obviously have not read my story or anything ive said about this whore, which is what she is, shes no victim she was a willing participant in a torrid affair with someone else's husband, she was a willing participant in the torture and abuse of an innocent woman and her children, so please please dont tell me just because i call her what she is, i will not move, i could be three hundred years from now and trust me, i would still be calling him a dirty dick mf and her his whore. victims dont taunt call harrass and laugh at the wife of the married man they screw, victims are not willing to participate in immature, low down actions towards others. so no, you are wrong, i will never ever feel for her, who i will feel for is any of his real victims, like the girl hes been emotionally and physically screwing at work for some time, who never bothered me, would die if she knew i knew, but cant help herself with him, the girl from the beach , who he discarded after she waited years for him to move down there and be with her, poor thing, never wanted anything but him, but didnt get nasty with his wife, held her head down and knew she was wrong but loved him, those are the victims i can feel for, not this one, not the one who willingly participated in the abuse of his wife, while laughing as if it were taking candy from a baby. too bad the baby had to hand her the pos, cause he wouldnt leave willingly for her.

Jaycee

Sep 28 - 10PM (Reply to #42)
2RudeInAK
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Jaycee, I didn't know

I'm sorry ....... please ignore my previous post.
Sep 30 - 4AM (Reply to #43)
jaycee
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jaycee, i didnt know

no worries 2rude, you didnt know.......thanks for the apology. hope you are well.....jaycee

Jaycee

Sep 26 - 3PM
almostlydia
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jaycee

I understand this stage you are in - obsessing about the other women your man is with. I did this a lot way back when because it hurt so much to think of someone else in the place I had been for 10 yrs. It was a very painful time this terrible obsession. I don't know when it goes away exactly - maybe when we just have seen enough and want no part of it for ourselves anymore. When we know the OW is getting all the crap we got and worse. When we are finally happy that someone else is having our nightmare and at least the N is leaving us alone now. I spoke to enough of the OW's over the years to know they got f*cked even worse than I did. I was the one he intended to marry, they were just there to be used and abused whenever. I do hope you will get to the next level soon - realizing she has the nightmare that was yours and now you are finally free to move on. I am still pissed as hell for being played for ten years, but all that I feel for the OW is a serious pity and a little smile deep down because she doesn't even know she was third or fourth on the list that he went back after. Poor thing. almostlydia

almostlydia

Sep 26 - 7PM (Reply to #39)
jaycee
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jaycee

almost, thanks for your reply, but i highly doubt the ow, the one i call the whore, is getting any of the crap, and I highly doubt she will ever get anything worse than i got, because she is as vicious and low down as my hN, they are made from the same mold, arrogant, abusive, gloating bottomfeeders, yes both of them. I do feel for the other ows in his life as they are being so dooped and they do have feelings are not vicious and would never want me to know, they would cringe if they knew i knew, they are just victims of his sexual addiction and narcissism. sorry no pity for this one, i laugh and gloat knowing she will never know she was only one of many, just happen to push enough to become the one serious affair. he always has to have one really serious one, who can give him more than just sex, meaning materialistic things, constant ego stroking on an everyday basis, whatever it may be etc.

Jaycee

Sep 26 - 1PM
Briseis
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An immature, poorly

An immature, poorly developed woman would be the type to not give a crap. She just wants what she wants when she wants it. She is probably a woman that MUST have a man in her life, and doesn't care about much more than that. Your exNarc has a real winner here. And I really mean that, they are suited for one another, they are the "same speed" for one another. He certainly doesn't give a crap, and neither does she! A match made in Heaven, bound for hell. This is affecting you TOO MUCH. Taking up a whole lotta mindspace, huh? Making you feel sick. It IS a very sick situation, and yep, there really are people out there, women and men, who will settle for just about anything, no matter how low. I wish there were some way to make it not affect YOU so much, you need a break from all this obsession and pain over her.
Sep 26 - 1PM (Reply to #33)
jaycee
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an immature, poorly

bri, thank you for your reply, for actually answering my question. you are so right, a very immature, poorly developed woman would not give a crap. she wants what she wants, and boy did she prove that too me. they are both real winners, not in the sense of winning anything, but they are pretty much both on the same level, bottomfeeders. i wish, too, more than anything i was not so affected by this, i wish i could forget my obsession and pain over her. it is mentally and physically exhausting to mull over it minute after minute, trying so hard not to. but the pain of her having my illusion and gloating over it, the anger at myself for allowing her to abuse and taunt me for over two years, without doing a thing about it, drives me crazy. at least, had before i dumped his things on her doorstep, i had made myself clear as to how i felt about the situation, maybe i would feel relief. but i allowed it, said nothing, and had no closure so to speak. if only i had defended myself and let her know im no slouch, i wouldnt be this obsessed. im so mad at myself for allowing all i allowed for over two years, it makes me sick to my stomach. oh how i would love for her to know how he still comes here and plays his mind games, still has his ow spread out around the area, oh what i wouldnt do to see how she would react, if she only knew the man behind the mask, right now her gloating and victorious attitude makes me insane. i highly doubt he will lift the mask for her, at least not for some time because hes living off his sugar mama, no narc would give that up, especially when he has no where else to go. so he'll cook for her, clean for her, buy her a pizza here and there, a card with lovey dovey words and tell her everything she wants to hear, because shes all he has right now, but boy, would i love to see her reaction if she ever finds out what he truly is. too bad shes a bottomfeeding desperate whore who only wants what she wants, and she will never open her eyes to it, even when its obvious, what they do with you, they will do too you.......common sense, she doesnt get that..........but thank you for your answer you are so right.......

Jaycee

Sep 26 - 2PM (Reply to #34)
Briseis
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If she's gloating over

If she's gloating over getting THAT away from you . . . well God help her. He's some trophy, alright. You know, just because someone gloats and sneers at you, doesn't mean you have to give a shit. Think about that for a minute. Say you are walking down a country road, and you see a person sitting out in a pasture beside a giant pile of cow pattie. When she sees you approach, she starts shouting at you "You stay away from my cow shit! This is MY cow shit!! HA HAHA HA, you don't have any, you must really be a stupidass, I have all the cow shit and you have none!!! Neeenenenenenener!!!! Well, dontcha just want to go and get some of her cowshit and spread it all over yourself? I didn't think so. You'd get a ways down the road and call the mental health police on your cell phone. You would not stand there and shout back at her "Oh yeah? Well I have MORE cowshit at home than you do! And my cowshit is in my HOUSE, you have to sit out in the rain with yours, so THERE." She's . . . I'm sorry, but she's PATHETIC. She's not your peer. She's not your equal, you know? She's proud of this Narc as her "man" that she "stole" from you?? Like it is some kind of reflection on you?? PuLEEEZ. She's neener neenering you over a pile of SHIT. How can you take that seriously? She's a nutjob. She's really delusional, and it's very sad. Let her gloat over her cow pattie mountain. If that's her goal in life, well, let her have it. IT's no skin off your nose, sheesh :D
Sep 27 - 3AM (Reply to #37)
CarolKittyGale (not verified)
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Thank you Briseis

I was getting a bit upset and down again and obsessing over the last few days about exN having an OW. He sort of dropped out for a few months with her but now I've heard he's back into popping in the pub (one of my haunts too)after work without OW and drinking again like he used to. He has a drink problem that I thought he may of sorted out when he met OW. I know leopards don't change there spots but you know what it's like you can see it for everybody else but when it's your situation your not always so logical. It really got me down that he was going in there and had someone else but reading your analogy made me laugh soooo much and got things back into perspective for me. Thanks for that....:-))))) xxxx
Sep 26 - 10PM (Reply to #36)
michele115 (not verified)
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Jaycee

In the words of Ivanna Trump: Don't get even, take half!!! Get to your lawyer and start the process. Go for blood when it comes to the money. Let's see how much she has after that. I trust that when he's wallowing in financial ruin, she will find him less attractive. You really do have more control than you think...you just need to re-direct it. Please trust me on this one. Don't let your fear keep you in prison...you have legal rights, exercise them. You might start to feel like you have the upper hand when you see him squirming in the seat during legal negotiations.
Sep 26 - 7PM (Reply to #35)
jaycee
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if shes gloating over

Bri, that was funny, I like the reference to the cow shit, youre right in that she is pathetic, and she could never be my equal, anyone proud of this narc as her man and proud she stole him, is a pathetic pos, but quite equal to my HN. lol thanks you really made me laugh.

Jaycee

Sep 26 - 12PM
better off
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Jaycee, I have a burning

Jaycee, I have a burning question... WHY are you so concerned about it? Why are you analyzing this crazy person? DOES IT MATTER? Stop thinking about these people and think about YOU. Are you avoiding thinking about yourself? Is it easier to obsess about these freaks than think about yourself, nurture yourself, take care of yourself? And with respect, I think this is turning into enabling with some of the board. You say you want to STOP obsessing and then you write obsessive post after obsessive post and everyone is joining in helping you discuss obsessive thoughts, instead of change them into productive thoughts. REDIRECT! We all go crazy wondering about all this "why and and what if" stuff, and there is a place for some of it, but if that is ALL you are doing, then you are spinning your wheels in the mud. You can jam the gas pedal down as hard as you want to, but you aren't going anywhere. Get out of the car! Why don't you tell us some more about yourself. What was your life like growing up? What did you expect about getting married? Is this part of your identity and you didn't want to give it up? Or were you taught to always forgive and have irrational loyalty to people? I suffer from irrational loyalty myself, although, I think life has finally beaten that one out of me. Talk about YOU, jaycee.
Sep 26 - 10AM
sweetsamm
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I don't get it either....i

I don't get it either....i would never be involved with a man who has no contact with his children...but,there are desperate women out there..:(
Sep 26 - 11AM (Reply to #30)
jaycee
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i dont get it either

sweetsam, im with you, i so dont get it, obviously she is a very desperate woman, and could care less as long as she has him. or maybe she is convinced it will happen soon. who knows, all i know is if i were involved and committing myself to a man, i wouldnt want him unless i had him entirely, children family friends. thats just human nature, in my eyes.

Jaycee

Sep 26 - 8AM
jen79
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jaycee

I nearly went crazy over that people like this exist, evil, selfish, narcissistic, cruel, torturing. It nearly broke me, but who are we kidding, of course such people exist. And we have to accept that not everyone is like us. And not everyone will live up to our expectations. I know how childish and ignorant this sounds, this is the key jaycee, not everyone is like you, not like me and the other women here. And we have to accept this variety (euphemistic I know). And you have to accept, that it doesnt serve you any longer to concentrate on their otherness. The only thing you have control of, is to decide FROM NOW on, who and what will come into your life. Thats the only thing that was good for sweetie. Hugs.
Sep 26 - 8AM
Scoop
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In short a woman who would

In short a woman who would put up with him is one that has been brainwashed , he did it to you for 24 years and peoberly lots of other women too , he is a master by now , an expert narc who has prefected his craft . NLP is used , gaslighting , changing reality , trance , mind controle .. troll the internet today and read up on all these subjects so you can get a grasp on what they do . ... i would wager she the ow is a baffled as you are with his behaviour , i bet she is on the phone to her girlfriends saying "its strange but i really get the feeling he dosent want me to meet his kids do you think im being paranoid ?"..... why do you autormaticlly think that with her he is being everything he never was with you ?.... its so unlikely i would say you would have a better chance of winning the loto than this is true. xxx
Sep 26 - 8AM (Reply to #25)
jaycee
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scoop

im sure shes a little brainwashed but i agree with helldweller there has to be a bit of narc in this bitch too. i bet shes not on the phone telling her friends anything other than how happy they are, she would never even if she knew things werent working out she would never let anyone know any differently, shes gloating and feeling victorious, so i highly doubt she mentions his kids, unless shes says their psycho mother turned them against him, you know, always our fault, never the narcs. but would be funny if she did wonder why, no matter what hes said. i would bet millions though she doesnt particularly care, as helldweller said, she probably likes it that way so she can pretend its always been only the two of them. i guess thats how women like her lay their head on the pillow at night and sleep like babies. thanks for answering without judgement of my question.

Jaycee

Sep 26 - 9AM (Reply to #26)
Scoop
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Jaycee the only way i dealt

Jaycee the only way i dealt with the ow was by using pity , i was so angry at my narc i simply couldnt let another person let me get angry , sure the ow is smug now but i know the man way better than her and i know what he is caperble of, for me it is like sitting there wating for a car crash to happen , heres how i know my narcs ow has been brain washed , when she went away on holiday my narc emailed me and came to see me and in short lanched a hover . Now i know that at least 2 diffrent people have told her about this and she is still with him ... how strange ? and the other reason is i know how compleatly rubbish my narc is in bed (cronic premature ejaculation , some times he couldnt even last long enough to even make penertration . lol ) no woman who has not been loved bombed and worked over and mind fucked is ever going to put up with that for long unless she is wating for him to get better at sex and that isnt going to happen ..so in short i know my narc has a long history of using mind contrle to get his victums to behave in the was that sutes him . Last summer he took up with a girl who broke into his house and ended up in his bedroom at 2 oclock in the morning crying asking what she had done wrong , luckly it was a night i wasnt there ! he has women go and never speak to him again , one woman did a moon light flit and ran home to her mum and as far as i know she was just a friend .. even now he has a secondary supply hovering around him who is a very young girl who hangs on his every word . I dont know how he dose it but i know because of his disorder he mind controls , god i went down lkie a lead balloon and i have been round the block a couple of times and am in no way a inexperenced girl . it is a form of hypnosis i think ...xx
Sep 26 - 9AM (Reply to #27)
jaycee
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scoop

scoop im glad you were able to deal with the ow, but im assuming she did not torture you in any way shape or form, as this one did to me. i cannot pity her, im sorry, as she has no pity for me and our children. mine can hold his own in bed, hes a sex addict on top of everything else. so he can go and go and go and with mulitple women everyday, as he would probably finish with her at lunch time and when he came home from work want to f me. hes so good at what he does, the mind control, the manipulation, the lies, etc....yet, i did not meet him in a gym and have a torid affair with him, i was his young wife and mother of his children who had no idea what he was really about for almost eight years, yet, this woman, met him at the gym, had a torrid affair with him, fought his wife tooth and nail to have him, so as for pity, no way, i hope she gets hers and more, cause i know hes already getting his even if his mind isnt comprehending it. he looks physically ill, as if the illegal steroids have finally given him some type of cancer, he sweats so much, has black circles to his cheeks, and rages more and more everyday, im assuming only with me, cause he cant with her as she is his sugar mama and he lives there for free and she buys him everything and pays for everything. haha, as he pays for everything here. so basically the dumb whore is paying my living expenses. sorry a little angry today, as i cant stop thinking how i allowed her to abuse me and said and did nothing about it. but thank you i love reading kind posts and knowing im not alone ever, we all have been hurt so badly.......i wish i was in the next phase, i wish some of this pain would go away.......hopefully soon it will xoxo

Jaycee

Sep 26 - 8AM
helldweller
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jaycee

I feel you, and I'll take it one further: my narc would not allow me near our foster child after the first couple of weeks. He decided he was HIS child and I wasn't going to be involved. He didn't acutally tell me this, but it's obvious. That was one of the things that really actually drove me literally insane. I would wake up in the middle of the night, sweating and shaking, and think, "MY GOD! WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON HERE?" In the end, it was one of the three thing I insisted on: 1. My daughters and I go to your family events with you 2. You introduce me to your female friends 3. I become the child's invovled foster mother, as was agreed on in the beginning. When you look at my list, my being the mother figure actually negates the other two anyway; he was at the center of the whole thing. Now, as you can see it was my narc who was the sicko who didn't want his partner around his child. I'm thinking there's a bit of narc (or more) in the OW as well. In fact, it may be a huge bonus to her to not have to deal with children from another marriage. She can pretend it was just them all along, and I'm sure he encourages that kind of delusional thinking. Now, that said, who the hell cares what she does? All you need to remember is that this guy is a dick who doesn't give a sh*t about your beautiful, accomplished, briliant children. Be happy for two things: that this couple from hell is not around your children--and that this couple from hell is not around your children! Get down on your knees and thank God every day!