"In Love" vs. Real Love

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#1 Jul 23 - 9PM
tresor2
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"In Love" vs. Real Love

I've learned a lot from my multiple N nightmares. One thing in particular that stands out is that I now realize the insanity of being "In Love." For me, it was like being on a rocket ship...my hormones were out of control and my thinking was delusional. I thought I had met the man who was going to change my life into a happy ever after story. I could finally exhale.

"In Love" is like an addiction and I idealized N the same way he idealized me. The N was my drug of choice and I was crazy about him. The N's are masters at coming on strong and sweeping partners off their feet, very early in the relationship. And I got caught. The reality of "In Love" is that it's not real love at all. It's not based on unconditional love...with no opposites...it's based on the belief that another person is responsible for our happiness and everything else. It's infatuation, frequently sexually driven and results in the loss of self.

Real love has no opposites and is grounded on unconditional acceptance, w/o judgments. The constant criticisms, judgments, attacks, etc. of our psychos are not indicitive of real love. Instead, they indicate our lack of acceptance of who they are. My focus on him kept me from dealing with my own stuff and kept me stuck. It was a defense that kept me in my repetition compulsion cycle to resolve past trauma. Real love does not hate one minute and love the next, as Eckhart Tolle would say.

So bottom line, I've determined that my feelings toward N were, in large, addictive and partially love. Because I couldn't accept his abuse and bad treatment, I judged and attacked when my feelings were hurt and basically told him I didn't like who he was. Real love would have meant that I accepted him for who he was, with all his evil ways and at the same time, loved myself enough to bail when the red flags began flying. How can we love another if we don't love ourselves?

After 8 years of misery, and not seeing him for over a year, the feelings I have for him now are closer to real love than early on in the relationship when I became addicted. I see him for who he is, I understand NPD and APD, I know he is sick and sadistic and I can love him for that. I can't change him and won't subject myself to more abuse so, I can now let go with love; not "In Love." The more I'm able to love myself, the easier it becomes to love others. I refuse to wallow in hatred and resentments.

Ironically, I recall very early in the relationship he told me that "in love" was not allowed; only love was OK. At the time I didn't understand but, he was right. Sadly, he talked the talk but couldn't walk the walk...a false prophet of sorts.

Jul 24 - 1PM
BadaBing
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I was taught this!

I was taught that love swept you off your feet and you could allow it to take you! In the beginning how do they do this to so perfectly to be able to express the emotions and actions that convince us-I was convinced of his love for me so sure of how he felt for me. I know you all understand! to remember those 1st good times is so painful and hard the intensity of feelings we had for each other, the passion and connection I felt to him.
Jul 24 - 8AM
TNR1
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Yes..it is very dangerous

Yes..it is very dangerous waters for us because our feelings run deep while the Ns feelings are shallow. That is why we stay addicted much longer and tend to not move on as quickly. I have to remind myself that I am addicted to the disease, not the person.
Jul 23 - 10PM
strivingforhealing (not verified)
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THE HIGH WAS NOT WORTH THE CRASH.

your words so so resonate. I am an addict. a sex and love addict. I don't use those terms often, but they apply here for sure. I was addict to his charms, his sex, his manliness, his promises,even the withholding ....I became addicted to the dance. It hurt like hell when it ended to stopped temporarily...but it always began again, and in this promise, I became an addict over and over. The lows would always inevitably bring highs. If i stayed away long enough ( lows), the reconnection would be one fucking massive HIGH. and whoa! this last reconnection blew me wide open- the best sex, the best high, the best loss of grounding....an addict loves the feeling of un safety...it is terrifying and exhilarating at the same time. I KNEW this latest reconnection was so so dangerous. and I couldn't stop myself. the high was too good. and here I am- again, jarred by the crash... barely able to stand up...flattened to the ground....devastatated and lost and so so tired... it WAS NOT WORTH IT. Let me say this again loud and totally fucking clear- THE HIGH WAS NOT WORTH THE CRASH. I hope this stops one person from going back on NC.
Jul 23 - 11PM (Reply to #8)
Smarter-thanthis
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Amen. I have to do this

Amen. I have to do this Ncncncnc
Jul 23 - 11PM (Reply to #7)
tresor2
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Strivingforhealing - Crash

Yes, I hope you don't go back again...each time, the wounds get wider and longer and recovery becomes harder and more painful. Work on trying to find out what it is that your're trying to resolve through the abusive relationship. Funny thing, I'm an addiction counselor and therapist intern...I work with drug and sex addicts. Sex addiction is complex and I understand how easy it is to get caught into the cycle you're in. Compounding the addiction with a relationship with a N makes it even more difficult. I guess I got lucky; mine lives with an OW now and I won't let him use me for a bootie call. God did for me what I could not do for myself. No, it's not worth it...if we don't learn to love ourselves, nobody else will either...we'll keep getting mixed up with N's and Psychos who don't give a F.
Jul 23 - 10PM
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I left him because I loved him

One of the ex-Psych prof's favorite quotes from "War and Peace" goes "The more you find something precious, the more you cast it away with joy" (or something to that effect) Leo Tolstoy was a MAJOR Narc. The ex-P loved that quote in particular. I guess, in the end, when I left without saying goodbye, when I pulled the Ultimate Vanishing Act, I was the one who "cast him away with joy." Did I withhold sex from him because I wanted to hurt him? No. I believe sex is precious, special, I wouldn't give my body to just anyone. Not even him... and 15 years ago, he was sexy! I didn't have sex with him because it would've been enabling, like giving alcohol to a drunkard (here in the Wine Country, hosts at wineries are NOT allowed to give more wine to the intoxicated, big no-no) Did I leave him in order to hurt him? No. It was to stop enabling his bad behavior. Distance (and a decade) has allowed me to love the ex-P with Christian love. I DOUBT I could've loved him if I married him&had his kids! As Sam Vaknin has said, "if you must love a Narc, love from a distance." I don't hate my toddler nephew because he's immature, self-centered&throws tantrums when he doesn't get his way. I still love him (it's not romantic love) I loved him even when he woke me up with screaming&I barely got a night's sleep. I don't hate the ex-P for the same reasons. Hatred is futile.
Jul 23 - 10PM (Reply to #4)
tresor2
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Courage

Leaving because you loved him took a lot of courage...good for you. Loving from a distance is our best bet but, it's all so painful.
Jul 24 - 8AM (Reply to #5)
Susan32
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Telling him I loved him...

Unleashed so much RAGE. It was difficult to watch&experience. He'd be raging&berating me PUBLICLY. Some Ns/Ps care about their public image;they keep their real nastiness behind closed doors... so when you tell someone else they're a jerk, nobody believes you. I'd be asking "Why are you angry at me?" And he'd just go silent. Normal people don't usually respond to declarations of love by throwing massive tantrums/marathon lectures. The ex-Psych prof makes my baby nephew look reasonable in comparison. If my nephew throws a tantrum because he has a diaper dump or he's hungry for Cheez-its... it MAKES SENSE. Sometimes, toddlers make more sense than adults.
Jul 23 - 9PM
girlsinger
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tresor

Hi There precious One please meet my friend Dr Pat Allen, this is her article on "oxytocin" & why good women stay with bad men and please, try to be a bit more gentle with yourself you are precious, remember that and hey, much of this is "chemical" the "hard science" is all there.. http://www.drpatallen.com/EXC-goodwomen.shtml I hope you find this as illuminating as I did be blessed K
Jul 23 - 10PM (Reply to #2)
tresor2
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Thank you GirlSinger

I really appreciate the article...I think I'm a "Amazon/Mother" combo. And, oh yes...the oxytocin went crazy when I met him. Definately addiction, however, towards the end, there's a part of me that began to love him for who he is (brilliant, sadistic, manipulative, deceiptful, charming, charismatic, energetic and sick)...maybe it's because I'm finally beginning to accept him for who he really is, underneath the mask.