my N sent me this note yesterday

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#1 Jul 1 - 7AM
Happy1
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my N sent me this note yesterday

My N sent me a note that he is taking his son on a tour of his company but he can't take my son because it's top secret production. Both our sons are 8. My son has been asking why we can't all ride together to the boat on Thursday night instead of us going on Friday and they're going on Thursday night. I told him that my N is taking his son to his company. He thought that was cool and wondered if he could just see the scientists office. I told him I would ask but I couldn't make any promises. Anyway, this is the response I got out me asking a simple question. He blows up at everything and confuses and makes me feel bad for asking.

note from my N -
Why did you even bring it up to him? It should have been no big deal. I doubt that anything would have even come up and this should not be an issue. Now you've got him involved and it's turned into a huge production. Friday you should have just come down here and things would have been good. Now there is some stupid issue.

I don't understand why you have to complicate things for no reason.

You've got all these hangups about what things mean. How I feel about you or us as some sort of family. You look at stuff like this as some sort of read about what's going on. I figured you'd get all bent out of shape about it. I could have chosen to say nothing but then it would have come up and would have been a even bigger deal. I am trying to head off a pointless and stupid argument and I get one any way.

Dealing with things like this is way too complicated and is completely pointless. I don't enjoy it and it is certainly not helpful to our relationship.

All along I've told you that a relationship has to grow in my book. That comes from good experiences and positive things that happen. All along for us it has been fights, arguments, accusations, misunderstandings and pointless problems that are not necessary. Those things don't help a relationship and it should make sense that our weak relationship is the result. So where are we? In my view, we have a weak relationship that is struggling. I enjoy being with you sometimes but there is a lot of pointless stuff that is detrimental to our relationship that prevents it from growing.

Honestly, right now I am trying to figure out where my life is going. I am looking ahead to the fall & winter and trying to make sense of what I will be doing. I may be homeless or I may have to find a new place to live by then. That whole transition would have been an ideal time to try to make a relationship work with someone. I like the idea of going home to someone after the commute in the winter. Being able to have a place to go home and plug in with a family would be great.

But I do not see that happening for us. I don't see us having a strong enough relationship by then where I would be willing to make that change. There has been too much damage and problem up to now and I do not think that we have a relationship that will last long term.

So right now, I am enjoying the time we have and the fun things we can do this summer. Maybe our relationship will get better but I am not counting on it.

Jul 1 - 7PM
Happy1
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Thank you all for your huge

Thank you all for your huge support! You are so right in everything you are saying. I guess I lost any concept of what a normal guy would say in this situation and now that you mention what a normal guy would say I know you're right. It's what I would say and do and I've always thought I was considerate of others and especially children. That he has gotten so bent out of shape because my son asked if he could just see his office and not even the confidential area he is supposedly taking his son to is wrong and hurtful. I guess I do need a huge deprogramming even though I wouldn't be here if I didn't think something was amiss. He's so crazy and a huge abuser of me and my son. He cares nothing for us and it shows in this note. I want to get mad but all I feel is a deep depression. It hurts a great deal. Thank you again for not giving up on me. You are guys are really helping me even though you may not think so right this second. You really truly are. Thank you all!
Jul 1 - 6PM
Goldie
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So sorry you are not being validated

Hi Sad, This guy is a pro, he is a master manipulator. Sounds like a bright guy in a self serving narc sort of way. My son is older now and while I was raising him I mostly stayed out of relationships because I was not going to allow any man to tell me what to do regarding my son (that's just me, they call it sexual anorexia in love addiction circles). I recently got out of a horrible relationship with a younger Np who was not nearly as bright as your Np appears to be, he was like the guy in "sleeping with the enemy" minus the finesse. This man of yours pisses me off more than any other post I have read on here. Must be triggering me. So please forgive me if what I am saying does not apply to you. HOW DARE HE EXCLUDE YOUR SON, THAT IS BS. Plain and simple. The arrogance of this man saying that he will enjoy the summer and see if you tow the line for any future life together. He speaks to you like you are a child. You do not deserve this fool. How dare he speak to you like this and toy with not only your emotions but those of your son. Remember that how you allow yourself to be treated in front of your son is how he will be taught to treat women when he grows up. He is only 8, there is still much hope for him if you can find a way to get away from this abusive, self serving freak. You deserve so much better in life, we all do, and I hope and pray you can find the courage to allow yourself to be treated better. Take care of yourself. God Bless, Goldie
Jul 1 - 2PM
better off
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Everyone else has done an

Everyone else has done an excellent job translating this abusive email... but I would also like to offer what a NORMAL response would be. The more time you spend with a narc (especially if you grew up with one and most of us probably did), is that you think wackjob responses are normal. If this was a NORMAL situation, and let's say the guy actually just didn't think it thru and didn't realize that this would hurt his girlfriend's child's feelings...and then when informed that it did.. He would have said something more like.. "OMG, I didn't think of it like that. I'm sorry. Of course he can come. I think it's cool he wants to see my office." Okay, that's what a nice person would do. Or even if he felt like it was something he wanted to share with his own son by themselves, a father-son outing...then he could make some OTHER opportunity to show your kid his office. Why the hell wouldn't he? That's how withholding they are! HE IS A JERK. And your son does not need to be confused by or exposed to this creep.
Jul 1 - 5PM (Reply to #18)
Steph
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Yes!! What a great idea to

Yes!! What a great idea to look at a NORMAL response. I've done some reading on what a healthy relationship or healthy arguement looks like and I was like "oooooh that's interesting" lol Looking at what IS normal is a very helpful approach:)
Jul 1 - 1PM
Happy1
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I think he is throwing the

I think he is throwing the family thing in my face because he knows how much I want to remarry someday. I never said to HIM though. He would never dream of moving in with me when he loves the single dad look and life. He has himself built up to be this stud and I'm sorry... do any of you know if a scientist stud? I don't.
Jul 1 - 2PM (Reply to #16)
NinjaGirl
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Except for Bill Nye..

And the Ghostbusters, no one's coming to mind.
Jul 1 - 11AM
querida
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TAKE HIM AT HIS WORD

Please reread what he said. He 100% told you that he will do whatever he wants now in the summer, and in the winter he wants the luxury of USING YOU as a safe warm haven of family to rely on. So you are his winter supply. And possible source of lodging - in his eyes. Are you going to allow that? Is that what you want? Cuz he certainly is holding a string of winter promise over your head. (Psst... by the way, he is full of sh*t!)
Jul 1 - 8AM
Scoop
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This is exactly the kind of

This is exactly the kind of drivel i use to get , the same arongant tone .. You have trauma bonded with this man and he has you on an emotional string ... SAD1 SAD1 read woman who loves psycopaths .. today ... now .. down load it and read it then cancel any plans with him and go no contact . Please think of youre son , this man is going to suck you dry and then leave you compleatly .... there is NO happy ending to this .
Jul 1 - 9AM (Reply to #9)
Happy1
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I plan to read this later

I plan to read this later today. Thank you Scoop! I know it's not a happy ending. I just fear what I will do if I go no contact right now. I am trying to prepare and take steps to do this but he has broken up and gotten back to me more times than I can even count now and I feel this insane need for him. I will keep trying. thank you all for your support! Please don't give up on me.
Jul 1 - 2PM (Reply to #13)
agnesmurphy17
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Reinforcing Bad Behavior

You have an "insane need for him." I don't think so. You are insanely attached to this man . . . "attachment" is often mistaken for love. You are MORE AFRAID to lose this man than you are in love with him. If you were in love, fulfilled and content, you would not be here on this site. Why you are driven to hold on to him only you can know. "He has broken up and gotten back with me more times than I can count." Which means, you are SO GRATEFUL when he comes back that you do EVERYTHING to please him and admire him. So you reinforce all his bad behavior. Since he does not care about you or your feelings one bit, seems to me that it is in his best interest to treat you like dirt. The more he pees on you, the more you want him & pleasure him. Should he ultimately dump you, he doesn't get the goodies from you. And, one day, when he has a new victim squared away, he will dump you. I think you already wrote someplace else that he was flirting with another woman. You have no idea what he does when you are not around. Now what is it that makes this man so attractive? And, is this the role model that you want for your son? This is the kind of man you want your child to become? And this is how you want him to treat the mother of his child someday? If you can't save yourself, please save your son. I think some of these issues these men have is genetic--especially in the genuine Cluster-B personality disordered folks (Ns & Ps). But, also, narcissistic traits can be learned as well. Learing narcissistic traits only results in later unhappiness in life. And, happiness can only be achieved by unlearning these narcissistic traits acquired by a child modeling his behavior on the adults in the household, or by extension, the man his mother seems to so admire.
Jul 1 - 2PM (Reply to #10)
Scoop
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Sad1

I will never give up on you girlfriend ... If it takes a day, a week ,a month , a year or how ever long for you to go no contact ill still be here . I may go aaaarrrggggggg at you lol but do you know youre narc and mine are the same , when i read his sick letter to you it set me off .. the tone and the arogance of him made me want to throw up as i have been on the recieving end of this and lord knows i know how it crushes the soul .Im 4 months no contact now and i just know that when you do do it you will see him for what he is ..... and just wate for that anger to hit ,wow ,its hair pulling ,cloths ripping RAGE ....Big Love to you ... you WILL be ok you know xxx
Jul 1 - 2PM (Reply to #11)
rainbow1
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Scoop

I know the anger that you are talking about! I am in the middle of reading WWLP and I am so mad! Everytime I pick it up I get mad. I read the part about MY characteristics that made me want him and it described me to the T. Last night I finished reading the part about the middle of the relationship when the mask slips and I got so mad! I couldnt sleep at all. It just described everything that he has done. Before I was not 100% sure that he was an N but after reading MY LIFE written down by someone else I realized that he is a textbook N. Sad1 you really need to read this book!

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"dont let yesterday take up too much of today"

Jul 1 - 3PM (Reply to #12)
Scoop
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Rainbow and Sad1

Its a must read , Sandra brown was taling about my life and my relationship to the letter .I freaked out for a day or two after reading it but i now know that was just my brain letting it really sink in , my narc had done such a good job of brain washing on me .. do you know it felt almost like in a horror movie and i had been exorcised by the priest and the possesion was begining to leave ... it wasnt lol , i was just moving out of cognative dissonance . xx
Jul 1 - 8AM
betty2020
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Great guy. So self consumed

Great guy. So self consumed it makes me sick. Let him go hun. Just a classic text NARC. Go NC now and start healing. Do not let your son be exposed to this person. It would be the worst thing you could do

only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

Jul 1 - 8AM
Steph
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sad1

This email is brutal.....but should not be surprising as he has already shown his true colours several times. What happened to you going No Contact with him?
Jul 1 - 8AM
NinjaGirl
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Wow

Tell him to F off. Take your son to a water park or something else fun this weekend. What a loser (the narc, not your son). All I see is, "I don't want to have a long-term relationship with you," and "I'm planning on dumping you as soon as I've sucked you dry," and "But in the meantime I'm going to keep getting what I can out of you, even though I despise you." Ick. Actually, don't even tell him to F off. Go NC with him. What a freaking jerk! This man is not going to make any type of commitment to you. I guarantee it. Find friends for both yourself and your son that have no ties to this guy, and start enjoying your summer without him.
Jul 1 - 10AM (Reply to #4)
Lisa E. Scott
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Sad

WTF?!! This is narcissistic manipulation at its finest. You did nothing wrong. You simply are living an open, honest life with your son. You shouldn't have to hide things from your son to appease your narc. Your narc is a total control freak. He's punishing you in this e-mail for doing absolutely nothing wrong. He's saying, you should have just lied to your son so I didn't have to be bothered with this. Then tells you he doesn't think this is going anywhere because of your behavior to ensure next time, you will life for him. Fu*k that! You're not going to lie to your son for him. You shouldn't have to lie to your son about anything. If you're with a guy that causes you to think you should lie to your son, then that guy is NOT good for you or your son. Oh, and the comment below is classic! He's basically saying that if you lie for him and behave the way he wants you to then maybe he will move in with you in the fall so he can mooch off you and suck you dry for all your worth. What a loser! "I may be homeless or I may have to find a new place to live by then. That whole transition would have been an ideal time to try to make a relationship work with someone. I like the idea of going home to someone after the commute in the winter. Being able to have a place to go home and plug in with a family would be great." OMG, he makes my blood boil. Ninja girl says it best: All I see is, "I don't want to have a long-term relationship with you," and "I'm planning on dumping you as soon as I've sucked you dry," and "But in the meantime I'm going to keep getting what I can out of you, even though I despise you." Please get away from this loser of a man! You want to take in a homeless man? I'm sure you could find one that would treat you a whole lot better than this guy.
Jul 1 - 1PM (Reply to #5)
Happy1
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Thank you Lisa, I really

Thank you Lisa, I really didn't think anything of telling my son the truth and didn't think any of it was a big deal. Everything I say is a huge deal and he takes it that I'm out to make him miserable or something. I don't believe in lying to my son like that and try to teach my son that lying is bad. The N is a d_ck and doesn't want us there anyway so he can show all the women at his company what a great single dad he is. I think we would stifle the moment if my son and I were there. That's the bottom line. He blows up and throws everything out of wack and I know why he does these things. He is currently renting a home in IL and he lives on his boat near his job in IN. So he is thinking of getting rid of his home apparently in IL. I have never offered to have him move into my son and my home. He is trying to throw the family card at me because I feel very strongly about family and he knows I want to marry again someday. I would still be married if my ex didn't decide he was gay. I love family and hate dating (obviously). He is a d-Ck for sure. Thank you!
Jul 1 - 8AM (Reply to #2)
NancyM
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Sad

You know what he is, you keep telling us. We can keep agreeing with you but you MUST go NC. There is no magic bullet, this guy is NOT going to suddenly GET it. You need to see this NOW! Ninja, u r kickass girl.:)

Nevergoback

Jul 1 - 8AM (Reply to #3)
NinjaGirl
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Funny you mention that

I think the same way about you!