Getting some of this out

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#1 Dec 10 - 3AM
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Getting some of this out

How sick do you have to be to lie to somebody in order to win their heart, their everything, and then get off on letting them fall as hard as they can. To not be kidding, but seriously be this person. not a joke. To watch their confusion, fuel it, and then ignore their pleas for clarity. To rage at their attempts at clarity. To try everything to get them back, while pretty much with someone else, just to play her off the other one. And then when she tries to put two and two together, is confused and desperately tries to confront it, to tell her she's losing her grip...and after a while, to neither rage nor directly imply that she's crazy, but to tell her she needs help. And advise her that she should find a nice guy and move on.

How sick do you have to be to never hurt at the pain you've caused them. To apologize for it and do the same thing again. To apologize in Order to have the opportunity to do it again. To court in order to more deeply screw them over, and of course punish them with greater callous cruelty, for the times they tried to protect themselves by staying away from you. Teach them a lesson, because you'll have ample opportunity when they're vulnerable again, to be nonchalantly vindictive. To make them think it's all the same, that she's done to u the same things you've done to or are now doing to her...

To make her believe that things are her fault. I still can't believe what a good job he did in making me constantly doubt myself, constantly focus on the last thing he said, did or implied, and just obsess about it. I can't believe how he spun things and really made me believe his bs. I truly did. Despite facts and what's been obvious to others, I've still said how "honest" and "humble" and "normal" and "real" he was, and how we just had a connection. It's obviously this 'connection' that I internalized that has me fighting back tears when certain songs come on the radio.

But to know it meant nothing to him? To know it was part of a sick plan? I can't believe he put the energy and time in to just screw me over. I did so much of his job for him. When he wasn't there, I constantly analyzed and continued his work for him...doubting myself, focusing on him, and continuing the madness. How sick is it to specialize in so subtly breaking someone down...so subtly that they have to remember (oh they FEEL it, the scars, but they have to actually try to Remember factually...) "what is it that he did to me that was so bad again??"...

It's sick to think he was always and only trying to break me down. I still can't wrap my brain around it. That it wasn't primarily about love, with some manipulation. But that it's only purpose was to destroy. with lies, lies, falsehoods, and more lies. Lies that I built my feelings on, my false sense of reality on, and that he tailor-made for me. It makes me so Angry. It was like a playground for him, my feelings, when to me they were REAL. I still can't understand how someone can't hurt when knowing you so intimately, knowing how important they are to you, and hurting and mentally tormenting you in the precise ways that will bring you down. And then to look at them, to calculate that they're useless to you at the moment, and just add more craziness so that they have no choice but to leave. And to just proceed with your 'new life.'

And to tell them it just didn't work out. When all along you've charmed and then pushed away, made them think they're your life but made them believe it's cuz of something they're doing wrong or lacking that it didn't work...and tried to get them back, every time they leave, just cuz the torment ends only when YOU say it does. a hole. Seriously, I don't even know if I want to Understand why. It hurts my mind and heart when I try to conceptualize the 'how' of someone doing that to someone else. I try to think that heartlessly just to understand it, and it feels too awful to even continue trying to 'get it', because it's so far removed from anything that makes sense to me. I used to suffer because things weren't 'right' and they felt wrong and cuz HE was doing this, or saying that. I thought the problem was that he BELIEVED these things he was saying, and I would try to work through his worldview and view of our relationship.

Now, to know that the things he was saying were just a function of how to best manipulate me...I hate him for using me against myself. a subtle, emotionally relentless predator. You can't be human and do this at the same time.

Dec 11 - 8PM
ruby01 (not verified)
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I'd say

You'd have too be pretty damn sick!
Dec 10 - 1PM
Blessed
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Brilliant post, Faith. "To

Brilliant post, Faith. "To watch their confusion, fuel it, and then ignore their pleas for clarity." For me, this became such a destructive repetitive cycle, and oh so painful. We really are all members of the same club. Thank you for sharing. xo
Dec 10 - 1PM
Alissa
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Thank you so much ,Faith ,

Thank you so much ,Faith , for writing this down... so true, I can totally relate to what you're saying and it's comforting to know that we're not alone in this ((( Faith )))
Dec 10 - 12PM
empath
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faith, thank you!

You have expressed this so beautifully! Just remember, they're not sick...it's YOUR fault! LOL! Oh how I thank God every single day for helping me get that sick, cruel, selfish man out of my life. Thank you so much for your post, Faith. Only someone who has lived through this could and would understand what you've written because yes they are sick and disordered beyond the bounds of comprehension. I have long ago stopped wondering who he is and why or how he does what he does. "Because he's a Narcissist" is the answer I default to, if a thought of him should surface. I don't need to do any more "research" on NPD because I realized the futility of attempting to understand it. I don't want to understand it, I "get it", yet I don't want to "understand" it. Let him keep his dark, disordered world for himself. I understand ME now, and how I let a creepy predator like that get past my radar, and how to forgive myself for allowing it to happen, and how to keep from being hurt any further by this. Now, my questions are "How could I...make myself happier, and my life better?". It's all about me. ME. I am finally the most important person in my own life.
Dec 11 - 3PM (Reply to #34)
faith_
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Thank you for expressing

Thank you for expressing this, empath. It helps to see the growth possible, Through it :)
Dec 10 - 12PM
NarcJunkie
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Thank you, Faith

for reminding me again how lucky I am to be rid of this heartless jerk! It's so easy to forget all the cruel things they did to us, especially around Christmas time... memories come up... and the connection is still there in my heart. Because this love that I had for him is MY LOVE and it doesn't WANT to die..! I am learning to redirect it to myself, and the days when I succeed are wonderful. :) "Honest, humble, normal and real"... that's exactly how I saw my narc. How they appear to be all of that when they are really just cold and fake beats me. I still think mine is too dumb, though, to have planned all of what he did to me. It's just who he is and what he does.
Dec 11 - 3PM (Reply to #32)
faith_
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Thanks, NarcJunkie. I relate

Thanks, NarcJunkie. I relate to the things you said.
Dec 10 - 11AM
ReclaimingPower
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Incredible post

...as hard as I'm trying not to reflect on the whole situation and move forward, I'm struck again with the new reality because I am not able to join my friend at an activity tonight knowing it is likely he may be there and some of his friends will surely be there. And it makes me so angry. I can't vindicate myself, even my closest friend questions whether I built a fantasy in my head.... but I'm NOT CRAZY. We walked through department stores and picked out appliances and talked through renovations. He talked about how the merged families would fit in his home. We talked about our wish list for "future plans." We talked with older couples when out like we were an old married couple. Texts, calls, emails....meeting up at places. Intimacy. Telling me he was so protective of his children, he wouldn't let anyone meet them until he was engaged and that they never warmed up to any of them. And then he had me meet them and of course they loved me. And after months of this, he tells me he is just not attracted to me but that he tried and tried; that we never even dated (!); that talking about the future and picking out appliances was something everyone does, it was just a game; and that there were things I said and did that he just didn't like (like how I stood up for myself to my ex husband and I wouldn't apologize), how he told my friends when we were out that when he came out (after he made plans to see me!) I never left his side and he wasn't able to dance with others (!). And the sadistic side I'd excuse as not being possible (how could it be?), where he would invite another woman to the same place (saying he invited her as a friend because she was lonely; she "knows" it wasn't more than that) and we'd be confused not knowing what was going on. The flirting which was carefully staged so you weren't quite sure if you saw that until he got more bold. And it was all a game, because when I walked away for good the first time, the panic, the cracking of his voice, the feigned sincerity behind his fears of losing me sounded so genuine, I went against logic and sanity in ignoring what I had already went through to believe his assinine attempts at explanations. He won that round and disappeared. A game, manipulation. He told me I should be seeing other men (doesn't that in itself imply we were seeing each other) and that I created some big fantasy about the two of us being together. That was the hardest thing to hear because I kept questioning my own sanity, and I still keep thinking back on that trying to let that go. Was I seeing him, was I not seeing him, what the hell was I doing? According to him suddenly we were never more than friends, even though I was clear from the beginning I didn't invest so much emotional energy and intimacy, most especially I don't bond sexually, with a man that is just a friend. I have to stop trying to justify myself with myself because he is clearly an N and I am where I am at because this is what they do. The sooner I accept that, the faster I will heal and focus more on my own issues. All of his actions were like the big build up...but the build up of awareness is only for YOU. The friends still don't see it and that's one of the extra rubs you have to deal with. A relentless predator...who very much knew what he was doing from the very beginning. Last night I went out and bought a book on Profiling (Dangerous Instincts -- How Gut Feelings Betray Us) written by a former fbi profiler...I need to fix my radar, I need to feel safe again, to trust myself...and I so need to keep healing and learning about myself. Thank you for letting me get this out...it has so been bothering me and it is so validating to see I am not alone (or crazy - I hope!).
Dec 10 - 12PM (Reply to #19)
ReclaimingPower
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Another telltale sign in hindsight...

"Maybe if you let your hair go gray." "Maybe if you dyed your hair brown." "You don't need to wear makeup. Maybe if you didn't wear makeup." Knowing how I successfully lost weight and was close to losing the last of it: "You worry about your weight too much. Eat whatever you want" as he tried to literally shove a piece of pizza into my mouth. Then repeatedly starts every conversation with "Are you wearing a bikini today?" "Why won't you wear more dresses for me." "You should change your nail polish." "You talk too much." "Don't interrupt me." "Don't EVER hang up on me again." "Can't you just have fun?" "It's just a game. She knows it."
Dec 10 - 12PM (Reply to #20)
blueworld
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reclaiming power

yeah i hear you! "you never let me talk" "you cant let shit go" "you always..." "you never..." "im the only one..." "when your hair was blonde we had more sex" "you never listen to me" "your the liar" "stop hanging up on me" "why didnt you answer your phone?" "where were you?" "riiiiighhhhtttt" "so what?" "im young" "i just want friends" "its a television not a tv" "its an asshole not "A" " "your the angry one" "you cant take a joke" "you dont think anything i say is funny" "you were ignoring me" "i was giving you space" "i never said that, your putting words in my mouth" "your telling me how i feel" "your telling me my feelings" "you need to relax" "you didnt text me so i didnt text you" "i had no service: "my phone was dead" "you always talk over me" "your controling me" "im on a leash" "i never cheated on you" "im not lying to you" "what happen to the loving angel i fell in love with?" "why are you wearing make up to just go to the store..work?" "why cant you put the dishes away? how hard is that? "my clothes are all wrinkled now you didnt put them away" "put the seat down , how hard is that? he changed the stations i was listening to when we drove in my car turned the cd off or volume down critcized my driving filed away all our fights and all my faults to continuely bring up thinks his violence is "slip ups" "only you make me so upset, angry this way" "i never did this with anyone but you" he corrected my speech my punctation in text accused me all the time about everything questioned my love for him..etc etc its.......exhausting
Dec 10 - 6PM (Reply to #30)
13Moons13
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My life EXACTLY...but he

My life EXACTLY...but he would say I was the offender. And I almost began to believe it.
Dec 10 - 12PM (Reply to #21)
ReclaimingPower
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:/

It was like a slow mental rewiring, and it's taking a lot of hard conscious work/effort to untangle all the wires and put them back in place. Trying hard to stay grounded while that happens...like holding on to a rail while a hurricane swirls around you. Having faith the wind will die down, the sun will shine and rainbows will appear.
Dec 10 - 12PM (Reply to #22)
Used
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Reclaimingpower

them back in place. Trying hard to stay grounded while that happens...like holding on to a rail while a hurricane swirls around you. Having faith the wind will die down, the sun will shine and rainbows will appear. ABSOLUTLY, AND IT DOES HAPPEN, FOR ME IT IS LIKE BEING GIVEN ANOTHER CHANCE....TO BE THE PERSON I AM, NOT THE PERSON PEOPLE WANTED ME TO BE...XX
Dec 11 - 3PM (Reply to #29)
jackguy
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This is a great description of it

Sometimes it feels like I am teetering on the edge of madness but in fact all it is is that I'm starting to feel something again and not suppressing things. Like you said used "to be the people we are and not what others wanted us to be.
Dec 10 - 1PM (Reply to #26)
ReclaimingPower
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Used

I can see it in the distance..and I definitely see the shift. But right now it feels like I am grieving the loss of the old me who was bubbly, naive and kid like. She's gone and probably needed to be for a while. I won't always feel like this and life will be bright again. There may be a lot of positives about being a kid, but there are a lot of positives too that come with being an adult - like true, genuine love. Thank you so much for your support. :)
Dec 10 - 1PM (Reply to #27)
Used
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Reclaimingpower

oh, i so know where you are coming from, I reverted to that little girl when I was with him, if we was walking and I couldnt keep up, he would pull my sleeve...AND I WOULD LET HIM...I looked like I was walking along with MY DAD...LOL.. I so grieved at first, and thought I wouldnt ever recover from him[and others]...but I havent just recovered, I have grown stronger and am now A FULLY FLEDGED ADULT.... IT HAS TAKEN ME YEARS.. I saw exnff today who i dropped 18mnths ago...she won't give up on me....pretty much her first words[I have been thinking about you used...[that is not the style in which she talks] then said we [the ROYAL WE...LOL] are such strong women?, people don't know how to take us..WTF...I thought you kept me young and helpless with your negative talk on ...my clothes, my talk, my company I kept, my food, I said yep, well bye here.s my cab....but I was still pondering that remark when I got home...... why?.....cos she doesnt matter anymore...exn doesnt matter anymore and they know it.....more importantly...I KNOW IT...I DIDNT EVER NEED THEM, IT WAS THE OTHER WAY ROUND...ITS A BIT FRIGHTENING GROWING UP, BUT WHEN YOU DO....IT IS BLOODY AWESOME!!!!!!GOOD LUCK ALWAYSXX
Dec 11 - 3PM (Reply to #28)
faith_
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"I DIDNT EVER NEED THEM, IT

"I DIDNT EVER NEED THEM, IT WAS THE OTHER WAY ROUND...ITS A BIT FRIGHTENING GROWING UP, BUT WHEN YOU DO....IT IS BLOODY AWESOME!!!!!!GOOD LUCK ALWAYSXX" used, this got me thinking. In the beginning, he made such a show of needing me, of how I made him feel this and that good stuff...etc. In the beginning, I didn't start out "needing him"...it's that thing they do of being everything you need and want, and studying you, so that you slowly become at their beck and call, whether it's emotionally or in whatever way they want you. It's just that hook, of what they got in, and seriously going in to take that deep hook out. It's me knowing that I don't wanna live like that, to go in and let that be the key of how I will take that hook out myself. He just reallly got me believing, in what there was, and the possibility, that it's like this dangerous hope is the last thing to die...it's kicking and screaming.
Dec 10 - 1PM (Reply to #23)
blueworld
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used

a quote you will like You can only become who you really are, when you no longer believe what others have convinced you to be
Dec 10 - 1PM (Reply to #25)
ReclaimingPower
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blueworld

I love it; thank you! :))
Dec 10 - 1PM (Reply to #24)
Used
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blueworld

YES YOU ARE RIGHT I LOVE THIS QUOTE.... THANKYOU...
Dec 10 - 9AM
Layla
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Truth

Absolutley powerfully true. All of this. Wow. love~ Layla
Dec 10 - 9AM
Goldie
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Perfect describtion of what they do to us

And how they leave us in a heap, only to turn around and do it all again. Faith, this is a great describtion of what the cycle looks like. I would like to put this on my blog so that it will not get lost. Something I believe that men and women who are still searching for answers will be able to completely identify with and possibly help them to GET IT sooner and GET OUT. Would this be o.k. with you? So sorry that he put you through this horror. This is a blessing that you are able to see it and articlulate it so well. Once we fully get and grasp the gaslighting and the willful intent on their part to play us, we are on our way to a full healing. Thanks for sharing this Faith. God bless, Goldie
Dec 11 - 2PM (Reply to #16)
faith_
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Yes, Goldie, I sent you a

Yes, Goldie, I sent you a message.
Dec 10 - 8AM
onwithmylife
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Faith,please read

Your post really resonated with me as the exnarc and i had not seen each other for 3 years and then I saw him in a store 2 times the last few months. he has sent me some evil , hateful venemous letters during this time when i wrote him that i believe something went wrong with his mothers parenting of him and mentioned what a relative said of him as being a person who thinks he is right and everyone else is crazy. He never thought about anything i said to him, all in a nice kind way. Rereading his hateful letters, I see through him now, he is a inhuman person trying desperately to act human, he cannot look within himself, he would implode, nervous breakdown, as one therapist told me, instead i am like a bug or gnat in his mind and world, something to destroy because i have come to close to his truth. i do not believe he actively sought to destroy me when we first me 15 years ago and started a relationship but when i started to ask for equal treatment and question him, instead of like a normal couple talking things out, he lashed out at me, like man in a dark room with a baseball bat, flaying madly at anything and everything. He will die never knowing how disturbed he is. does this make sense to you?He did the same thing to me as he did to his 3rd wife, he has 5 failed relationships and in a letter to me blamed me fully for the demise of our relationship..He has 5 grown kids, only one keeps in touch, the others hate his guts, do you think he even gets it, NO
Dec 11 - 2PM (Reply to #14)
faith_
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Yes, this makes sense to me.

Yes, this makes sense to me. I mean, none of it makes sense, but your experience of their wanting to make you non-existent when you want to be treated as an equal partner does make sense to me. It's like their belief is "who are you to even be on the same level as me?" or something like that. The entitlement, their take that you deserve what they're doing to you, and the impossibility of truly connecting with them. It's like they don't allow for it. That's so painful for me, to know I was never truly let in by him, and also that for obvious reasons, I couldn't fully let him in, and just let go. While hearing his bla bla of how I don't trust him, and that if I just trusted him things would be ok. No win.
Dec 10 - 7AM
jackguy
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faith - you put this all so well

And you're looking at it now with no illusions...you capture how sick they are. What you write has been my experience with a female narc... "And to tell them it just didn't work out. When all along you've charmed and then pushed away, made them think they're your life but made them believe it's cuz of something they're doing wrong or lacking that it didn't work.." They are so sick and now we are getting free of them and we will emerge as such strong people with our integrity and real values in tact.
Dec 10 - 8AM (Reply to #11)
elisabethke
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Integrity

My integrity is being tested to the limit.There are days when I don't want to be on this earth anymore.This dance with the devil lasted almost a yr and I have been free from his physical presents for over 3 months but he consumes my thoughts everyday. He has been charged with murder and according to daily news reports is twisting the truth to make it appear his previous x was responsible. I am feeling physically ill and need some input from fellow suffers. I also find it difficult to believe that I could get dupped by someone who is so much younger then me. Can't stop blaming myself for agreeing to an intimate relationship.
Dec 10 - 8AM (Reply to #12)
jackguy
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stay safe

stay safe
Dec 10 - 6AM
Used
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faith-

I know this is NO REAL CONSOLATION TO YOU..... This is what they DO TO *EVERYONE* THIS IS WHO THE ARE........ THEY ARE SUB-HUMAN, THERE IS NO LOVE, NO REMORSE, NO FEELING IN THEM AT ALL....THIS IS WHY AND HOW THEY CAN DO IT... I began lying to my narc over trivial things, and things that would come to light....HE WENT APESHIT...SCREAMING YOU LIED TO ME , YOU DID THIS YOU DID THAT....I SAID YES I KNOW.....HOW DOES IT FEEL, COS THATS WHAT YOU DO EVERY DAY OF YOUR LIFE TO EVERYONE YOU MEET....A DOSE OF YOUR OWN MEDICINE SEEMS TO HAVE CHOKED YOU.... THEY ARE LYING , ROTTEN , SCUMBAGS, AND THAT IS ALL THEY WILL EVER BE.... DON'T QUESTION YOURSELF FAITH...IT WASENT YOU....IT WAS ALWAYS HIM TRYING TO UNDERMINE YOU....DO NOT LET HIM....
Dec 10 - 9PM (Reply to #7)
faith_
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"THEY ARE SUB-HUMAN, THERE IS

"THEY ARE SUB-HUMAN, THERE IS NO LOVE, NO REMORSE, NO FEELING IN THEM AT ALL....THIS IS WHY AND HOW THEY CAN DO IT..." That is what I don't get. robots? how can they be devoid of all feeling (except the rage and fear)? While he was using me, or going off hunting, or going out w/ someone else, etc...he was feeling nothing? All that time I spent, IN the relationship...there was none, huh. "THEY ARE LYING , ROTTEN , SCUMBAGS, AND THAT IS ALL THEY WILL EVER BE...." I'm not even gonna think, did something happen to him way back, to make him be this way, etc. Because evilness is evilness. But really, I wish I could give him a dose of his own medicine, I really wish I could. Not that it would provide any satisfaction in the long run, but to just heal this powerlessness I feel. from feeling like a puppet and puppeteer. And you know what? Whenever I was around him, it's like I was in this 'zone'...I don't know how to explain it, I thought it was the LOVE I felt, almost trance-like...in that state of 'US'... When in that zone, I was zeroed in on him, like when driving in the car or spending time together...he was my zone, lol. I was hyper-tuned into him. I mean to a certain sense I'm like that with many people, tuned into them. Yet, with him, it's like it took all my energy and was this MYSTERY puzzle, that the More I put into it, the More I HAD to put into it, to make it WORTH it. All this work. Cuz I certainly still felt all the love..Just had all these ever-increasing scars that would add up. Gosh, I struggled so hard to make sense of it. And this feelingless person just orchestrated it and watched it? I guess the only thing I had to get to was the basics...what you said about rotten scumbag. He made me feel like a loose woman when we weren't together and I was open to dating others...when the scumbag things he's said/done while 'WITH me' are sickening. Ahh, it makes me want to scream. I thought there was HONOR behind his actions/words. Like his OWN CONVICTIONS about what he was saying (even though that's no excuse. I just thought he at least believed them). What an a hole for not being a real person in any way and doing that to me, just cuz he could.