A conversation with mum

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#1 Dec 2 - 11PM
Sea
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A conversation with mum

Is making my head my mind my heart spin!

Mum said:

U kept saying narc gave u "silent treatment"? Come on u make someone angry and that person refused to talk to u. It is that simple. Why u have to be so extreme to say he abused u?? my dear do u know what is abuse?

Narc is so much older than u. He was your ex boss, your mentor. He pampers u so much. Why cant u accord the due respect to him?

If he has hit you or not looking after u financially then he is a bad partner. He gave u material comfort, acknowledges u as his beloved gf in public. On your birthdays you were pampered like a princess. What kind of abuser u call this?

Ok if you dont want him anymore its ok. Your choice. But first u owe him an apology for running away like this and doing something as absurd as no contact.

OMG!! She sounded so logical!! But well narc is a diagnosed NPD! He did abused me emotionally am i magining things am i??

I think some of u have read some of my earlier posts abt narc. He did abused me did he not?
arghhhh

Sumiko

Dec 5 - 1PM
jackguy
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Don't listen to her

My mum said to me that my narc was warm etc. I didn't bother telling my mum how the narc ran her down all the time to me. I haven't communicated open-heartedly with my mum for years now as I don't trust her opinion. The horror show about narcissism is that it is everywhere - people lacking real empathy and integrity are all over the place. In my case, my mother is a big part of why I ended up with narc in the first place.
Dec 5 - 1PM (Reply to #16)
uk lady
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Jack

Just have to say that "birds of a feather stick together". Maybe they both recognised the same attibutes in each other and so never considered you in the equation. It was N against N - competitiveness to the highest degree. Not nice, but may be the truth. How do you feel in the clear light of day? Dee x
Dec 4 - 3PM
Hunter
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I Love this.. Do we share the

I Love this.. Do we share the same mother ?? OMG.. I'm sorry but what mother would want less for her daughter.. I guess she is impressed with material items and not items of the heart.. I'm trying to be kind ( but how) your mom is also abusive.. I can relate to this ..at this point I have low contact with my mother.. Do not doubt yourself... Hunter
Dec 5 - 4AM (Reply to #14)
Sea
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Hunter - *LOL* if u dont mind

Hunter - *LOL* if u dont mind a Japanese mum :) My mum grew up in a very poor family. That's why she thinks any man that can provide material is a good man. For me, no way. I really felt the agony so I shouldnt doubt myself. Thks Hunter as always! :)
Dec 3 - 11AM
Anonymus
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Been there!

My family acted that way towards my (my whole family). And they're not Narcs. So if your mom is indeed a narc, all you can do is keep her out of it, don't listen to her. And if you happen to, see the thing she tells you as how they are, and feel sorry for her and love her and thank God you had the oportunity and the stregth to not become like her. She's your mum after all. Get close to your non narc relatives and speak to them instead. Maybe they'll come around eventually; mine did. Love, Anonymus
Dec 3 - 9AM
Susan32
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Yikes

Your mother understood the charming surface of your ex-Narc... but she doesn't get what's going underneath. On the surface, Ns/Ps can come across as so giving, even loving. She doesn't get it. She doesn't see the NPD, the abusiveness.
Dec 2 - 11PM
LightAtTheEndOf...
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A Big hug to you Sea

Sea you know your truth, and what you experienced and lived through. Our parents come from a different generation, let me explain. My father is a textbook Narc and my Mother though i love her to bits is an Empath and unfortunately an Enabler for my father. My mother is from an old school generation and was born and raised in the Caribbean. Shes seen my Grandmother accept questionable behaviour from my Grandfather and tolerated things in her marriage to my father that i certainly wouldnt have, just because she believed in the old adage of "stand by your man" (Dolly Parton why did you have to release this song? lol) Sea my point is, our FOO (family of origin) has a lot to answer for on our we even think, enetering therapy i realise how i let my Narc 2.0 into my life as Papa was a Rolling Stone (well not really hes a Narc)... Your Mother equates Abuse as being in the Psychical sense, she doesnt realise emotional abuse = silent treatment and that emotional abuse is even more so damaging. Sea i hope that makes sense, but remember your truth, your experience and what your experience with the Narc perhaps talk to your mother mor so and explain to her the loving displays were just that on his part "displays"... a street angel and a home Devil. Blessings to you Sumiko xx
Dec 3 - 3AM (Reply to #10)
Sea
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He is exactly that! Street

He is exactly that! Street angel and home devil! He conceals him real personality v well - read: mask fasten tightly. I have tried to avoid talking about him to my mum. I guess i can only wait for more time to pass and she will eventually stop talking about him. No choice i guess.
Dec 3 - 12AM (Reply to #2)
uk lady
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Street Angel and House Devil

God Light, that brings back so many memories of my childhood. My mother applied that same saying to my dad, my brother and at least one of my sisters (I had 6). And it always preceeded any one of them either leaving the house or awaiting their return. A continual cycle of relief or apprehension. No wonder my boundaries were so skewed - I never knew what I would encounter and how I would have to behave. I now realise that all I ever tried to be was invisible andn pretend I wasn't there. So sad. Sumiko - Light is right. The older generation doesn't understand emotional abuse so maybe best to drop the entire matter with your mother. You will be blue in the face before she sees your side of the story and there is no guarantee that she ever will. Dee x
Dec 3 - 3AM (Reply to #8)
Sea
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Dee i can only wait for her

Dee i can only wait for her to get sick of talking about him. But when she said this to me, i felt guilty too. Honestly i am no angel myself. I have made him taste bitterness but giving him back the ST, d&d etc. Of cos i didnt win, who is so harden that they can win a narc? But i kicked back and all. Whatever, am glad its over. He brings out the ugliness of me. I dont want to behave that way! Ever!
Dec 3 - 4AM (Reply to #9)
uk lady
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That is your only option then really

Hope that she gets sick of talking about him. You have done everything that you possibly can to remove him from your orbit so my friend that is all you can do for the time being. Like you, I have discovered too, that it takes time and maybe longer than we ever anticipated. But I am glad it is over and can move onto better things - and that doesn't just mean men either. The sun has even come out here to support my new found energy. Take care. Dee x
Dec 3 - 12AM (Reply to #3)
LightAtTheEndOf...
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Good Morning UK Lady (Why are you awake too? lol)

Im here with a ciggy and a cup of tea in rainy London (boo!) lol Yes in Therapy i realised at the age of 28 that i have weak boundaries as a result of being raised to "Forgive and Forget" and also i realised i never taught people how to treat me. Im working on making those changes now. But yes UK and although i love my mum to bits and she was a tower of support with regards to my Narc at the very end; I remember when my Narc hit me for the first time and i called her and she still encouraged me to try and work things out, to get to the bottom of what was troubling him, did he have another woman? (well yes he did Mommy.. many!) *sigh* etc. Im 28 and my mother is 66 so there is an age gap of 38years and although shes very "young" for her 66 years, she is my Fathers enabler. We have spoke about her marriage to my Father and my relationship with ex Narc and im thinking of sending her a link to this site (lol i joke!) T xx
Dec 5 - 7AM (Reply to #7)
Hermes
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Reading you all

And I realise, yet again, and as I often do, how very very fortunate I was in the parents I had. Both my parents are now dead, but not a day passes but I remember them. My Dad was an extraordinary man, and they were both so balanced and sensible, and no way would they condone abuse of any kind. They were an "older" generation but they were very enlightened. I suppose they had both lived before marrying (my mother was 34 when she married and Dad was 40, both for the first and only time). My father had a bee in his bonnet that EVERY woman should have a career, an education, because as he sensibly said, "all kinds of things can happen in life". One could, for example, become widowed before time, or a husband could become very ill, etc. The only glitch (LOL) in my life was five years at a Catholic convent boarding school. It was dire! Hermes
Dec 3 - 12AM (Reply to #4)
uk lady
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Morning T

Snap - but coffee not tea. I am in rainy Hertfordshire. Which side of London are you? I wished I had realised that therapy would have helped me when I was 28 - my life would have been entirely different. I am 54 now. Yes, my life has all been about forgive and forget, always someone's caretaker and so consequently never considered my own feelings or the impact, (feelings, what are they?). Push it all down kind of philosophy. And all because I was never taught how to fully respect myself or impose healthy boundaries within my FOO. Whoever shouted the loudest always got heard and as I was Little Miss Invisible it was never me. The only thing I did get taught was that when it all got too much then react and not in a healthy manner. I went through therapy about 18 months ago and like you, initially about boundaries too - opened my eyes and have never looked back. Enabled me to finally walk away from the exP but I feel that I need a little more to move me forward again - the final push to reach the summit. I feel that as we get older we learn to forgive our parents for the damage because ultimately they were only doing the best they could (in most instances). Parents are only people and some people are just down right nasty. And again, until we ourselves are ready to walk away from whatever situation we find ourselves in, whatever anybody else tells us falls on deaf ears. My mother was an enabler too - histrionics followed by the calm, sweet wife and then all started over again, and again, and again. My parents had both died by the time I was 25 and I forgave them a long time ago. I had no option otherwise I would have been far worse off than where I am now. Dee - off to make another coffee, more ciggies, more posts and then whatever occurs on this rainy Saturday in Hertfordshire. Love Dee x
Dec 3 - 1AM (Reply to #5)
LightAtTheEndOf...
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Coffee is good too! lol

Wish i could just give up the cigs but hey ive already given up one bad habit this year (Narc) maybe the cigs will go in 2012! lol Im down in South London and its just as gloomy and wet! Hey i say better to have entered Therapy than never at all, so dont worry about age at all. My half sister on my fathers side is 52 and hasn't entered therapy and when we talk about our past relationships and our family dynamics (shes closer to my mum than hers)we see a correlation in the "type" of men we have chosen as a result of our Narc Father and Empath Mom's; its truly fascinating. Yes i agree with you the older we get we do realise our parents (in this case my mum) did the best they could given the resources they were working with! On reflection i may not have even entered Therapy if it wasn't for this destructive relationship with the Narc so in the weirdest of ways it was a blessing in disguise and it helped me to identify id ran into one in my early twenties (never again so help me God!) xx
Dec 3 - 1AM (Reply to #6)
uk lady
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Absolutely Light

I thank the day I went to therapy because it opened up a whole new world and opportunity for a brighter and healthier future. I gave up the cigs for a whole year but then back in April started up again because of ex-P events and other stressful situations. Will do it in 2012 for sure. Dx