A Question for the Veterans

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#1 Oct 3 - 3AM
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A Question for the Veterans

I am in isolation...my choice in the words of Greta Garbo...I vant to be alone... I am disabled with Fibro/CFS and therefore, my funds are limited and sometimes I don't have the energy to do something really ambitious. I really don't have anywhere to go or anything I rather fancy. Early on, I had some issues with anxiety; however, I note that it seems to be dissipating - my challenge now is that nothing is tickling my toes. I don't necessarily feel depressed, I just feel like keeping to myself. I feel that others I know have their own things going on, and I feel very vulnerable to "bad energy" and I'm not even into metaphysics!...LOL - I just feel like being in sheer solitude by choice.

I did some thinking today and I don't think I'm a textbook co-dependent; however, I do have some tendencies. The Narc experience was particularly painful because it triggered a host of issues with past emotional abuse I suffered as a child, as well as what I think was an unresolved PTSD due to my father being shot and coming home with the bullet wound in his chest to say "goodbye"...I've stuffed a lot of things deep inside, and all of it came up with this particular break up.

I don't know how to classify my mother, but despite what she's done to me as a child, I kind of "forgave" her because I understood her background and the abuse she suffered and wanted to believe she loved me - she just did not have the skills to raise a healthy self-assured child. She really should not have had children - but then I wouldn't be here...LOL. The thing is, that I am noting or processing how every screwed up thing she's done and how she's parented is what has had a direct impact on where I am today. I did not know any better. Dysfunction has been a "normal" part of my life my entire life. Mental illness runs in my family...some are fortunate to come from "old money"...I come from a long line of certifiable nut cases and for the life of me, I don't know how I ended up missing the blessing...although at every turn, it's almost as if her eyes light up at any hint of "depression" I might be suffering...creepy. Thing is, I have had depression from time to time, but not life altering and I've always been able to bounce out of it. It was not incapacitating...in life we go through changes and we move on from them. There was a time during the Narc episode I thought I was going to lose my mind, but I really feel a lot stronger now that things are in perspective and I understand cognitively what I was dealing with-the rest is just time and doing the work on myself to heal. I'm not scared or depressed by that.

The thing is, despite my attempt at setting boundaries, and explaining to mumsey that I don't want to speak with her in too great a detail right now, she continues to pry and attempt to force and outright manipulate by any means necessary that I talk to her. I told her, I don't want to talk about it now with you, I'm not ready, there are issues, but I don't want to speak about it now. She's like - oh, you should see my therapist - MIND YOU she's not going anymore...HUMPH...and from the looks of it, he's not that great because I haven't seen any improvement with her...LMAO. I have been trying to find a competent therapist and I've written about some of my experiences on the board. What is really pissing me off is her attempt at control and her sheer lack of respect for the boundaries I am finally setting. Moot point here I guess because I've just documented what is obvious. The thing is that I've realized, the Narc triggered memories of her abusive behavior, and she is triggering memories of the narc's behaviors and I just want the world to shut the fuck up for a minute...well, maybe for like six months?...LOL until I can get my bearings. I told her I want to own this, I don't want your help - and I don't because in true fashion, she will eventually use it to throw it in my face another day.

People in general don't understand this mess we find ourselves in emotionally, and so I feel like I do better to stay away. I use this board for support and it won't be my only means but for right now it is what it is.

My question to the veterans is...have you had similar experiences with intentionally wanting to isolate yourself and how long is "too long?" I don't believe I am depressed at this point, I was, but it has lifted, I do feel like I'm getting stronger emotionally, the anxiety has lessened, but I just don't have the patience to deal with other people's crap I've got nothing to give right now and whatever I have, I want it for me.

My mother told me my uncle wants to hear from me. Granted, he's done nothing bad and he's a doll, but he also suffers from mental illness, and I've been in the front line since i was a teen cleaning up the mess, going into the psych wards to bring him his glasses, running here, running there...he's had two episodes of hospitilzation over the past two years and when he bounces back...manipulation and splitting goes on in the family. "Who doesn't visit" "What happened 40 years ago" one day my cousin, his daughter is the "bitch of the month" until I do something then I am...they all talk about eachother behind eachothers backs then smile in eachothers faces. Sheer hypocrisy sometimes and it makes me SICK. But, they're my family, and they've grown rather accustomed to dumping on eachother, pointing fingers and my mother manages the assignments of cleaning up the shit via telephone then "takes the credit for doing everything for him" but I was the friggin gopher as a teenager no less...it's always been one friggin mess after another - and she just doesn't get why I don't want to friggin talk to any of them right now. they are too dam draining. When I first got sick with Fibro/CFS...you think ANY of them came to help? I couldn't even friggin walk!!! I could barely care for my child...they thought I was just making it up for attention...my mother still would love to say it's depression. I found a top doc in my city who has a reputation he's not willing to spoil tell me "You cannot work" I have other ailments as well that in combination find me disabled. At every turn, she acts like I'm just a lazy POS. The narc was just as insulting.

I'm venting and all over the place. Bottom line, I'm not missing the Narc...I am hurt all over from a number of folks and I just want time to sort things out. Have you ever self isolated by choice and for how long, and how long is too long do you think?

thanks.

Oct 3 - 11PM
michele115 (not verified)
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Ladies...

Thank you so much for the support. I have read your posts and at least feel better about my choice. Really, I don't feel sad, I feel like I'm going through a transformation and I don't want any interference.... Hope all of you are also doing well and feel good about today's progress - wherever you are in the road to recovery. All the best!
Oct 3 - 11PM (Reply to #21)
girlfriday
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Transformation

That's what came to mind when I first read your post. I haven't read all of the replies, but I see it as you are a caterpillar in your cocoon turning into a butterfly. :-)
Oct 3 - 11PM (Reply to #20)
girlfriday
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double post

double post
Oct 3 - 6PM
Janet
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After the final D&D in

After the final D&D in December '09 (and interaction with N) I kind of forced myself out. Skiing with family and lots of Al Anon meetings. Then about three months later, while still pretty down, I started reading about Sociopaths and Narcissists - eye opening right? Since then I have continued to go out as much as possible with my sister, some friends from work and the rest of my family. Not dating yet (I moved out in Sept. '09). Feeling really good. But was quite down and had a lot of trouble really getting my head around the whole thing until about 4-5 months in -- but tried to be around good people as much as sometimes I thought I would rather sulk. Peace. J

Peace. J

Oct 3 - 2PM
shortway
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I remember hearing the story

I remember hearing the story of Vice President Biden how he lost his wife and daughter in a car accident on christmas eve I believe..Anyway,I just remember hearing his sister say"he could not be spoken to"..he had to go into his little world I gather to regroup,get right,make sense of it..gain his self again...Sometimes now I don't want to move..because then I will feel,,if I am spoken to I will have to feel it...And sometimes I just brust out talking to everyone around me about it..It's all part of the process i guess..We are dealing with many things at once,loss,bereavement,some abuse,N-behavior,being on our own again..many steps....I'm not a veteran..But thought I would add my words in ..thanks you for everyone here..love you all!
Oct 3 - 3PM (Reply to #11)
Briseis
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That's a lot like it really

That's a lot like it really is. You go inside yourself to recoup. It's like being a crab without a shell, you are SO vulnerable and sensitive you want to scream at the slightest contact. Or like me, I cried at the slightest contact LOL. And then went in my room and got into bed.
Oct 3 - 3PM (Reply to #16)
shortway
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Yep like a hermit

Yep like a hermit crab..without it' shell...Yesterday was a very dark day for me..i wasn't alone,I was with my mothe,but I felt very very alone..lIke everything was crashing in and breaking the shell I was making again..Today a little bit better..
Oct 3 - 6PM (Reply to #17)
MsVulcan500
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Me too,

I isolated myself from friends and family for a long time. And even now, I still am not quite "back to normal". I am choosing who to let in my inner world and who not. I do get out with one group of friends, while kind of breaking away from another. I too, find it easier to go on my motorcycle rides with people I hardly know than to talk with my closest friends. I don't know why, I'll have to delve into this deeper. But I know I am not lonely (often) and I am not depressed. I think I am just changed and found that I am just more selective who gets my time.
Oct 3 - 3PM (Reply to #12)
shortway
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Yep like a hermit

Yep like a hermit crab..without it' shell...Yesterday was a very dark day for me..i wasn't alone,I was with my mothe,but I felt very very alone..lIke everything was crashing in and breaking the shell I was making again..Today a little bit better..
Oct 3 - 7PM (Reply to #15)
gettinbetter
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Yes Very Alone

I have pushed all of my friends away even the one I told about my situation. I have turned into a recluse just wanting to lay around the house all day. Its a terrible way to live
Oct 3 - 7PM (Reply to #13)
gettinbetter
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Yes Very Alone

I have pushed all of my friends away even the one I told about my situation. I have turned into a recluse just wanting to lay around the house all day. Its a terrible way to live
Oct 3 - 7PM (Reply to #14)
jen79
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aura energy field rape

Well i think we all do this, dont we. I think its because we were emotionally raped and violated. We were manipulated and gaslighted, so I guess we need time to establish a stable energy field. As long as we didnt do that, we feel extremely vulnerable to all other infuences. I need this time to recover, every day I can do what I want, I heal, every day I cant do this cause of friends or family I feel extremely exhausted... We just have to drop the bad image related to it, being a weirdo. Even jesus went into the desert being alone and facing the devil there, didnt he? There is a reason why monks have certain times of no talk and being alone. We need this, to clean our energy!
Oct 3 - 2PM
shortway
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I remember hearing the story

I remember hearing the story of Vice President Biden how he lost his wife and daughter in a car accident on christmas eve I believe..Anyway,I just remember hearing his sister say"he could not be spoken to"..he had to go into his little world I gather to regroup,get right,make sense of it..gain his self again...Sometimes now I don't want to move..because then I will feel,,if I am spoken to I will have to feel it...And sometimes I just brust out talking to everyone around me about it..It's all part of the process i guess..We are dealing with many things at once,loss,bereavement,some abuse,N-behavior,being on our own again..many steps....I'm not a veteran..But thought I would add my words in ..thanks you for everyone here..love you all!
Oct 3 - 2PM
shortway
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I remember hearing the story

I remember hearing the story of Vice President Biden how he lost his wife and daughter in a car accident on christmas eve I believe..Anyway,I just remember hearing his sister say"he could not be spoken to"..he had to go into his little world I gather to regroup,get right,make sense of it..gain his self again...Sometimes now I don't want to move..because then I will feel,,if I am spoken to I will have to feel it...And sometimes I just brust out talking to everyone around me about it..It's all part of the process i guess..We are dealing with many things at once,loss,bereavement,some abuse,N-behavior,being on our own again..many steps....I'm not a veteran..But thought I would add my words in ..thanks you for everyone here..love you all!
Oct 3 - 2PM
Briseis
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Really, really relate Michelle!!

How long is too long? Depends on how deliberately you are isolating yourself. How many invitations you turn down, or opportunities you turn down, only to find yourself wishing you'd participated instead. When the regret for NOT participating outweighs your desire to "vant to be alone" . . . then there's your answer :) I ended up completely isolated, up on that mountain in a cabin in North Idaho. I ended up making best friends with farm animals, and now I can't live without them. I am a born city girl and LOVED my life in Seattle and San Diego. I didn't mind the traffic and the crowds and the shopping :D I would go over a week without talking to another human being exept on the internet. When I left, lost all my friends :( (goats, chickens, geese, turkeys) and experienced six months of pure hell isolation, while surrounded by family. Then I poked my head out, got a job I ended up really liking, my daughter came back into my life with a new grandson . . . and now? I am still very "isolated", but I like it that way. I used to wonder about it a lot. It turns out, I am peaceful and "happy" as a human being can expect to be, what with the nature of Life. I don't yearn for more. So apparently . . . I have reached some inner goal. What that inner goal was, I could not have described. I had to find it by feel. I love participating here and being part of a wonderful community of cool ladies (and guys). I feel closer and closer to folks :) I have good work relationships, and my lovely daughter and her girlfriend and my precious grandson. They are my family. Turns out . . . I just don't WANT that much. Does that make sense?
Oct 3 - 2PM (Reply to #6)
wholeagain
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It does Briseis

And I guess the same is probably true of me--the ex needed to be popular so there were always lots of people around but in the absence of that I'm quite content. I don't want or need a lot of people around me, just the ones I can have a truly loving and happy relationship with. I feel for you having to leave your animals behind, especially the goats. Congrats BTW :)
Oct 3 - 3PM (Reply to #7)
Briseis
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What's interesting is in

What's interesting is in spite of it all, I don't feel "lonely". That is a wonder to me. What a horrible feeling that is. But I don't feel it, and I'm not even hoping that someday, someday, I'll meet a nice guy. It may happen, but my happiness in life is not dependent upon it. Some folks are more "people persons" and they have to be loyal to themselves, and some really DO want and need that special relationship. I don't know why I don't. I'm not ugly or too weird . . . the guy would have to shove aside for the dog and be willing to sleep with pet geese in the room at night cuz I ain't giving THAT up for anyone. I have "replaced" my critters, but will always feel some grief for the one's I had to give up to save myself. I don't regret it . . . it's just one of those really hard choices we have to make to get on with our lives :(
Oct 3 - 9AM
wholeagain
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Yes

I asked this question a few months back too. It seems like a lot of us have gone through some version of this. I felt like after the worst of the trauma/drama was past my senses became more acute, especially hearing. Thus, being around a lot of people jangles my nerves worse than it ever did (I'm naturally an introvert). Also I'm cautious around people now. I've always been overly trusting and probably very naive. That's really changed, and for the good, I take time and space to carefully evaluate anew anyone who touches my life. There are people that I used to enjoy seeing whom I now realize are toxic as hell. There are others that have such poor boundaries themselves I can't be around them, as that could very likely spill over into my life in some way. Been there done that, no thanks! So, being alone a lot gives me room to think and act (or not act) carefully, to ask questions of myself about my motives and feelings, etc. Plus, I'm just getting to know myself in many ways! I feel comfortable with a very small group of people who've been trustworthy and loyal beyond belief. As my boundaries get stronger I think I'll get more at ease in the larger world again, only on my (hopefully wiser) terms. So as long as you're not isolating in depression but using the time to heal and grow and enjoy some silence, I see nothing wrong with it personally! I think after living in Narcville we deserve some R & R ;)
Oct 3 - 3AM
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michelle 115

Morning hun, In answer to your question yes I did go through a period where I wanted to isolate myself and I to likened myself to Greta. :-) For me it was a few weeks although I did speak to friends on the phone from time to time and continued my weekly dinner date with a close girlfriend, but even cancelled with her once or twice. But it is different for everyone. When after a few months it hasn't made any difference then you need to talk to someone for extra help but I think it's good to have alone time for a few weeks as it worked for me. It was weird because I didn't mind striking up conversations with fellow dog walkers that I didn't know when out walking the dog in the forest but I didn't want to be around people I knew. I've got into reading a lot and exercising and just want to please myself. I think when you have had a history of things to deal with (and I have too) there comes a time when you just have to say 'enough is enough' and get away and shut down and sort YOU out. This is healthy as long as you are doing it to nurture yourself and take stock and not sitting in self medicating with alcohol etc. I spend loads of time eating healthy, exercising, going for long walks, writing my journal, reading and just basically doing stuff for me. I have been looking after me for 8 months now and I am beginning to finally get there and even now, this weekend for instance, I like to just shut down and do my own thing but then next weekend I am going out with friends. Enjoy the time alone you obviously need it. big hugs xxxx
Oct 3 - 3AM
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Dear, I can rely on so many

Dear, I can rely on so many of the things you are writing. I also had a very dysfunctional family. My father spoke with me once, just once, when he was in the intensive therapy before he died. He asked only of me and tried to tell me something with the tube down his throat, he made gestures which I interpreted as "be strong and think only of your children". But it was the only thing he said to me in my entire life. He never spoke, I remember him reading the newspaper. If I talked "too much" at the table he just gave me such a big blow on the mouth that I bled. All of this without a word. And my mother has been on psychomeds her entire life. I have escaped to live 450 kms far from her and when I go to see her, because I feel just like you, she tried to love me in her own way even if she told me horrible things, I can resist only two days. Boundaries? What are you talking about? She enters while I am in the bathroom, no keys allowed on that door. She still overheras behind the door if someone calls me on my cellphone when I visit her. Etc etc etc. I understand your being alone. It is a normal reaction to abuse. Stay alone as much as you feel you need it, but do not slide into depression. It is not true that nothing is happening. Whatever will happen or not happen will depend on us only. It will be us. Our choice. When you will feel ready, you will step out and there are so many things you can do even if you have your health issues. They can prevent you from doing something, okay. But there are so many other things you can do. And here you have my last two cents. I REFUSE and I say it again, I REFUSE to accept any theory which ACCUSES me of what happened. I am NOT responsible and I am not going to accept it. It was not my fault in any way. Period. I have suffered too much to accept all the codepence bullshit or the other things. I have a low self esteem and I should learn better how to put boundaries. I can accept this but nothing more. Nothing more. Neither should any of us. (((((Hugs))))) Find again your strength, it is there, somewhere inside you. Life renews every single day. You are not alone.
Oct 3 - 11PM (Reply to #2)
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I have distanced myself from

I have distanced myself from those i am not strong enough to tolerate. Mostly, i have distanced myself from those i will not tolerate right now, and this includes family members. Shut your Mother out until you are ready to deal with her. In this experience there is much to learn but we are weak at the moment and seriously trying to find our place in the sun again. This is not possible with soul suckers all around. Good for you. You are being selfish when you most need to be because none of us would be here if we were selfish by nature. If it helps ease the guilt, tell them point blank 'I can't deal with you at this moment, i'll get back to you'. We are in survival mode here and it is this serious. When my Mother was ill it was as though NC had been broken with my sister and she was all about getting to me. the same was true with a friend who was too N oriented. The more I resisted their intrusions in my life, the more they tried. It was just that I refused to have anything less than genuine in my life right now. I'm still ok with it. F them for now. almostlydia

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