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#1 Nov 11 - 8AM
jen79
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For hooklinesinker

I have read that some posts here have gone a little bit over the edge.

I just wanted you to know, its ok, when you are angry and bitter, I feel you hun.

But if you truely want a change in your life, you need to look deeper, and get over your bitterness.

You need to look at your dreams, and ONLY focus on them, on the feeling and the essence they present for yourself.

I can only strongly recommend to start reading about Abraham Hicks and the Law of attraction, or listen to the tons of videos on youtube.

You are right now at a very dark place, asking where the hell is my stuff, you might have to drop the topic for just now, since you are negitive focused on it.

You are 42, you can still have it all, the husband, the children, I really do believe that, it just wont happen from that place of darkness and bitterness.

Please start to raise your emotions up the scale through any subject, not family right now, maybe your job, maybe your health, maybe your beauty, start to focus on something else first, to get you in a place of happiness again, once you are there, you can start again to envision the family you want, from a positive point of view. Make a wouldnt it be nice list.

Please hun, get yourself better, read as much as you can, about LOA...its all in your hands...

Dec 8 - 7PM
hooklineandsinker
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Thanks

Jen, but I don't believe in LOA any more. Thanks for your kind words though. They really, really mean a lot to me. HLS xx
Nov 12 - 2PM
Briseis
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About anger and revenge fantasies

This is my own personal opinions/insights into where anger and even just fantasies of retribution sort of "cross the line" into something that is toxic. It's human nature to wish retribution on someone who has hurt you, and even to an extent, EXACT retribution. It is in our nature to "right the wrong". It is our healthy, natural "narcissism" that we should have, that rises up to defend our territory and power over it. Wishing revenge or damage to people who have what you do NOT have, but believe you should have is TOXIC. That is why envy is one of the seven deadly sins. These "sins" are toxic, they demean and humiliate you, bring out the worst in you. To wish damage to strangers or people who have lovely husbands and children (when you don't and want them) is a toxic and unhealthy kind of rage. Why? Because it is ultra narcissistic, beyond the healthy narcissism of self protection and personal fulfilment. It assumes that it is an INSULT, to YOU, that other people have what you don't have but want. What other people have is none of our business, much less anything we can or should have control over. To give yourself permission to even WISH harm upon others because of your envy is malignant narcissism. Yes, any of us can have it without being a full blown NPD. In fact, a bit of malignant narcissism in us is pretty normal for a while after being in a Narc relationship. Where I am coming, three plus years out, I feel more pity and disgust for my exNarc than anything. I don't wish him ill, he's got plenty he's manufacturing for himself. But I DID, for the first couple of years. That first year afterward, I actually comforted myself with fantasies of pure revenge. It was all about me trying to take back my power, and ugly as it was, it was understandable, all things considered. But you grow beyond that, as you heal, as you pursue growth and your new life starts to unfold. You don't have to beat yourself up for this, you've been beat up enough already. Just notice it and if it really scares you to think what you are thinking, just know that it is temporary, it doesn't mean you are an evil person . . . it just means YOU received a narcissistic injury. Yes, anyone with HEALTHY narcissism can get a narcissistic injury, that's normal too. It's when this rage turns into bitterness, and starts expanding outward to INNOCENT people, who have what you wish you had, that you probably need to get some help for. In the least, be honest with yourself that you are letting this get out of control. That you feel SO powerless to get what you want that somehow it's OK to at least fantasize about hurting innocent people. Admit your anger has gone beyond the beyonds. It's gone too far. It is now HURTING you as much if not more than anyone. A person seething with that kind of rage and bitterness is a TURN OFF. It's like going to a hotdog stand to get lunch, and being hostile and nasty to the person behind the counter. DUH!! Better check your hotdog for . . . unwanted condiments!! Or at least shitty service. When you want something, you do NOT throw a temper tantrum to get it!! We're supposed to learn that when we are two years old. When you want something, you behave graciously, gratefully. You try to DESERVE it. You are "one down" when there is something you want but do not have. You are not "one up" because you don't have it. There is some reason you don't have it. And it's probably not GOD. God, or Whatever set creation in motion gave us the best brains in existance, to figure out how to get what we want. Toddlers and spoiled children throw temper tantrums and rage to get what they want. And adults who do this are seen as immature, difficult, and are a big turn off to other adults. We here understand this "phase" we all go through, though. And specifically to HLS, I want to say that I wonder if this bitterness and rage in you is being "communicated" somehow, and has in some way influenced your relationships? I have no idea HOW, specifically. I just believe wholeheartedly if you keep doing the same thing and getting the same results (no husband, no family) you need to do something different. Otherwise, you are banging your head against a brick wall. Blaming God or other people is a sell out. Time to face yourself, perhaps, and see where you could make changes in yourself. What you want HLS is what we all want. What you want is GOOD, and I sincerely wish for you to have these good things that you want. It could be that you are somehow, someway, shooting yourself in the foot. Only you can determine what you are doing "wrong", but I can't help but think you are doing something that is stopping you from getting what you want. We all want you to stay and be part of this community. This last relationship was with a full blown NPD, bar none, and you need support and healing after that. We want to be here for you.
Dec 8 - 7PM (Reply to #16)
hooklineandsinker
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Briseis

I still have fantasies of tying him to a chair and bashing his head with a baseball bat, and hers too. Today was a particularly bad day - it took a lot for me to leave the house - I just could not stop missing him today. I think it's the holidays coming up and how much he loved Christmas (although I think it was because he had fantasies about having a perfect family Christmas with his very imperfect and broken family of origin - ie, he was always building Christmas up into something it was never going to be in real life) but getting texts from him last year about how much he loved me and how because he was with me he had "a reason to look forward to Christmas this year" (ie 2009) and nothing this year. I mean, does he even miss me? Do I ever even cross his mind? It is absolutely baffling, utterly distressing and immensely confusing to me that someone can love you so much and then vanish in a matter of weeks, totally erase you from their life as if you never even existed. It's weird because it swings wildly from being near tears from missing him to wanting him beat up badly (I even have fantasies about hiring some thugs to beat him up etc etc). I know, horrible and violent and everything, but this is how we react when we have been emotionally raped, come through the deep depression and rejection, and moved into the anger phase. So I know exactly what you mean about comforting yourself with fantasies of revenge on your ex N. I could be feeling miserable and lonely and full of existential despair that he conned me into believing that he was as delighted about and committed to our future as I was, and that he then threw me out with the trash, and feeling close to tears (haven't cried properly in months) but then I imagine beating him repeatedly upside the head with a baseball bat or even just my fists and it does make me feel better. It's the sensation of taking your power back, even just for a second, that does it, I think. I am glad you are so sure he is a full-blown N - sometimes I still have doubts, but as I've posted before, even if he wasn't - who wants to be in a relationship with someone that fickle, passive-aggressive and unstable? Every time I remember how viciously he glared at me when I called to his house after I found out about the OW, I want to kill him. HOW FUCKING DARE HE? If anyone had the right to glare at anyone else at that point, it should have been me, for what he put me through. It was a real case of "look, I've already dumped you - now who the hell do you think you are to call around here inconveniencing me and my perfect life with your broken heart?" This from a man who told me a matter of weeks earlier that if he ever heard me crying on the phone to him over something bad that had just happened in my life he would drop everything and run to me to fix things for me. Jesus, the level of cognitive dissonance is staggering.
Dec 8 - 7PM (Reply to #17)
hooklineandsinker
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"but getting texts from him

"but getting texts from him last year about how much he loved me and how because he was with me he had "a reason to look forward to Christmas this year" (ie 2009)" I suppose the only logical conclusion is that he never really loved me at all.
Nov 13 - 3AM (Reply to #14)
CarolKittyGale (not verified)
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Thank you Briseis

for you excellent words. This is something close to my heart and the posts of the last couple of days triggered memories and deeply upset me as my sister actually said and did some awful things to me because she couldn't have children and has never been married of which I won't go into as less said soonest mended :-)). I knew how she was feeling towards me in her heart but to actually see it in black & white on this board was very painful for me and I felt for Hook and her unhappiness. After it coursing total dis~harmony in the family, she went into major competition with me and did everything she could to dis~credit me even when my son was in hospital fighting for his life....it was a nightmare. I kept saying much the same to her but she wouldn't listen and would always kick me when I was down. I have had years of her being really toxic to me and she seemed to not be bothered when dreadful things happened to me it actually sort of cheered her up. She's still a bit uptight but is getting there....fingers~crossed. It doesn't matter how beautiful you are on the outside if you are not beautiful on the inside(and of course we all have our faults and our Auntie Spikey days...lol) this will come out in our aura how ever much you try to hide it. Fortunately for my sister and after years of her being a complete bitch to me she had an experience suddenly she was all alone with no~one round her and that made her think on and as soon as she had an honest conversation with herself then slowly her life changed. Alas she has no children but she has met a guy in the same boat and they are living together and having a nice time of it....Happily our relationship has improved, she has apologised to me but what could have been a wonderful time for her with two strapping nephews in her life she has lost forever because she doesn't have that sort of bond with them because of what she done to me, hopefully in time that will heal.
Nov 13 - 9AM (Reply to #15)
desprathousewife
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I second that :)

Briseis, thank you so much for verifying MY feelings too in your post. You said everything I felt but didn't have the words to express. I was thinking maybe it was just me being a little too sensitive and easily offended. Big respect to your wisdom x
Nov 11 - 8PM
almostlydia
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I used to say to anyone how

I used to say to anyone how I could run over him with the car at any moment. But that is different from blaming God and every one else as to where is your perfect life that you dreamed of. Anger is a healthy thing, bitterness is not. Thanks, Jen, your words were very well put and very important. I hope they are heard and understood. almostlydia

almostlydia

Nov 11 - 9AM
blueeyes
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Anger is normal

Like yesterday, I was mad and I talked about beating him up. I feel almost bad about that comment. I do picture beating him when I am mad and maybe I shouldn't have posted that I want to tie him to a tree? Today, I am not mad and would never say that today because I flux. I understand anger, but there is a boundry.
Nov 11 - 9PM (Reply to #10)
michele115 (not verified)
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As I was cutting up the chicken strips into chunks tonight...

I consciously said...I am going to pretend this is the NARC... He's really lucky he's not around...I wish he knew how lucky... And I wasn't stabbing and chopping, I was very carefully and methodically slicing the chicken veeeery slowly...
Nov 11 - 9PM (Reply to #11)
Lisa E. Scott
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Hook

I hope you see how many of us care about you and are genuinely concerned right now. Please don't shut us out. I sent you an e-mail. I hope you respond. xoxo
Nov 11 - 9AM (Reply to #2)
desprathousewife
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Yep

And just today I've been talking about hiring the Mafia to do mine in. We all say things we don't REALLY mean sometimes. I'd hate to think I'd upset or hurt anyone's feelings, it's not the person I am :( Hey Blueeyes, I missed the post re tying him to a tree. I actually DID tie mine to a tree once, it's ok though, I didnt harm him in any way!!!! LOL
Nov 11 - 9PM (Reply to #8)
michele115 (not verified)
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Hey Desperate...

I could use some mula ya know... Meet me at the tracks when the cow jumps over the moon and we'll talk about takin care da kid...ya know...
Nov 12 - 9AM (Reply to #9)
desprathousewife
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Mich....am loving it large

I'll be darn at the track, he's bringing his moolah so I'll be a packed heavy. I'll leave the spring cleaning to you gal...just hope no-one smells a rat before we've whacked the wiseguys :)
Nov 11 - 10AM (Reply to #3)
blueeyes
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lol ...tree?

I really don't wanna ask why you tyed him to a tree? lol
Nov 11 - 10AM (Reply to #4)
betty2020
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just when i thought i heard

just when i thought i heard it all, lol. Only two places on the body to tie a Narc to tree desperate; genitals or neck. Im assuming it wasn't the latter. Damn, if you would have only known then what you know now!!!! hehehe :) only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

Nov 11 - 2PM (Reply to #5)
desprathousewife
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LMSAO

That's laffing my skinny ass off btw :) Nah, and it wasn't even the former. But hey I don't wanna post my ex rated eccentricities here. Lets just say we were rambling on a camping trip and I'm very adventurous ;)
Nov 12 - 4AM (Reply to #6)
blueeyes
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Lol at your skinny self.

Oh man if I could go back to when I did have him tied up. Lol. Despy, you made me smile again. Thanks.
Nov 12 - 9AM (Reply to #7)
desprathousewife
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Da pleasure is all mine

Scheesh, that Mich has got me talking da mafia lingo now Here's looking at you Blueeyes ;)