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#1 Jan 14 - 11AM
MandyM
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I just found this site yesterday. I've spent the past several months trying to get over a man who walked out of my life with no explanation. I see a lot of narcissistic tendencies in him, but I'm still trying to figure out where on the scale he falls. It helps in that it explains a lot, but it's also confusing because there's a lot that doesn't fit him.

I was lucky. He never once hit me, never raised his hand or voice to me, never threatened me - I never, ever felt threatened by him. He never belittled me, never called me names, never put me down, never tried to make me feel like he was better than I was. But he had a huge sense of entitlement, was always talking about people who said great things about him, had to have a large group of friends - many of whom were women - in his life at all times and would talk about these women to me as though trying to make me jealous. A lot of his friends are friends he's had since childhood, over twenty or thirty years. I never knew where I stood with him - one day he would be extremely involved in my life, doing nice things for me and helping me with stuff I was dealing with, then I'd go for days without hearing from him. He refused to say we were committed, saying he was still hurting from his divorce; he'd sleep with me, then talk about he was single and could do whatever he wanted. He was secretive, couldn't handle it when I got mad at him for not following through on things he'd said we'd do (those were the only times he got angry with me and we would fight, to the point where I would cry for hours afterwards, not understanding what I'd done that was so unreasonable), made a lot of promises he didn't keep, seemed to have time for everyone but me. Sometimes he'd bring me around his family and friends, other times he wouldn't but he'd tell me about the parties they had or the things they did and never mentioned why he hadn't invited me. When it ended, he just gradually pulled away - would take days to return my calls, would avoid my attempts to spend time with him, yet every time I asked him what was going on, he insisted nothing was wrong. Eventually he just disappeared without an explanation.

I don't know if it was narcissim or just blazing insecurity. He always seemed to need for everyone to like him. I can look back now on things he told me about past relationships and his divorce and see signs of narcissism, as well as things in our relationship, but I guess I'm still not wholly there yet.

For me, it's the not understanding why he left that I have so much trouble with. The fact that he refused to tell me or even admit that anything was different or wrong. All he'd have had to say was that he no longer wanted to continue anything. I could've dealt with that. But I guess he decided he didn't need to explain anything to me. It makes me feel less than human, that he couldn't even just say "It's over." Would that have been so bad? And is that narcissism or just a jerk?

I've been in therapy for several months, trying to make sense of everything. It didn't help that this all happened at the same time I lost my job. I don't call him, don't text him, don't e-mail him, deliberately avoid places I know he goes when I know he goes to him. But it's hard. I miss him. I hate not having closure. Every time I feel like I'm getting better and starting to move on from him, he reappears. He's done it a couple times with brief e-mails that he never responds to when I reply with a simple well-wishing and asking how he is. I'm torn between wanting him to stay away and wanting him to stick around. Not knowing exactly what he is or what happened makes it difficult to know how to come to grips with everything.

It's been helpful to read these forums - like I said, a lot of stuff fits him, even though a lot of stuff also doesn't. I'll probably be here awhile.

Jan 14 - 10PM
gettinbetter
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just curious

how long were you with him? Im sorry Mandy its horrible how they can just leave your life with no explanation. I have known mine since age 17 and we dated a good part of our twenties he resurfaced thru facebook we are now 43 and 44 he came back promising things were gonna be right between us this time and then one day he just dissappeared no call no texts no goodbyes no answers to my emails. He just wiped me out of his life though I had never existed
Jan 15 - 8AM (Reply to #13)
MandyM
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We were seeing each other

We were seeing each other about seven months. Five of those were long-distance, and he was constantly on the phone with me, all night every night a lot of times. I relocated to the same town for work (NOT for him - I'd been trying to move here for years, well before him; it was a fluke that he'd come into my life when the job finally came through), and he coached me through the contract negotiation process, got me moving supplies, even found me a place to live. The last two weeks, before the pulling away started, he had actually thanked me for not pressuring him when I knew he was still getting over his divorce, I'd been so amazing about giving him space, and he actually seemed to get closer to me - confiding in me more, spending more time with me. Our last night together was the most intimate we'd ever had. And then he started pulling away - but he would still jump to do things for me whenever I said I needed something. That's what was so confusing - he'd leap to do my bidding, but he wouldn't spend time with me, and he started calling less and less and taking longer to return my calls, until he was finally gone altogether - except for when he'd pop up with texts suggesting we do something (and then not follow up), or his one-line e-mails from time to time that he'd never acknowledge my just-as-brief reply to. At one point, after a couple months of silence, I e-mailed him and asked him why we weren't friends anymore - acknowledging in black and white that I KNEW we weren't friends, it wasn't a secret, so it wasn't like he had anything to lose by telling me. He basically told me the sky was green - we were still friends. It's the denial and refusal on his part to acknowledge the whole unraveling that hurts so much. If he didn't want to be with me, I would've handled him saying that - it would've been painful, but at least he would've been up front. To not even give me that respect and just walk out of my life and go on like I never existed is so demoralizing.
Jan 15 - 12PM (Reply to #14)
gettinbetter
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yep exactly like mine. Yes

yep exactly like mine. Yes its the lack of acknowledgement that they are gone that is so terribly hurtful. My situation a bit different from yours in that I am married and he still put the full court press on me in the beginning drawing on our good times from the past and some of the hurt also (the trauma bond). He claimed he wanted to make all right this time and that things were gonna be much better than they were in our twenties. He was just so glad he had a second chance and told me he would wait as long as it took for us sort things out due to the fact I was married. He lives 6 hours and came 3 times to see me. He was to come in November and I guess I said something he didnt like but he never spoke to me again. I mean I have a history with this man. I had been pregnant at one point when we dated the first time. I had an intimate relationship with him previously. Its not like we had just met and he still just walked away as though I never existed. So very painful for me. Mandy I know it hurts terribly whether its 7 months or 7 years but be thankful you dont have more time in with this guy. You will recover quickly you'll. For me this being round two and having 7 years of emotional investment in him geez I dont know. I have days where I feel strong and that im coming out of the fog and others where I feel like saying just forget it. Im not going to ever get over this so why even try yet I do still try and Im still trying. I cant let him steal my soul.
Jan 15 - 2PM (Reply to #15)
prettypeeved
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Friends

I got the friends thing too. It was crystal clear that we were NOT friends, that I was being pushed out of his life and he didn't care how I felt. And if I asked why he never bothered with me any more, I got told we were "still good" and still friends. And then he'd continue on with his life. My general advice with narcs is to pay attention to what they DO rather than what they SAY. It seems to be a good rule of thumb.
Jan 15 - 3PM (Reply to #16)
Briseis
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Prettypeeved

That IS the rule of thumb :) It's actually true for everyone you encounter, not just the Narcs amongst us. It's one of the most effective ways to determine the integrity of a person, their honesty, their trustworthiness. I could go on an on about this because it is so effective!! My exNarc had a way with words. He was a gifted speaker. He could say anything, he could sell ice to a polar bear. But his behavior always told me who he was.
Jan 15 - 4PM (Reply to #17)
prettypeeved
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Funny

It's funny how I realise over the 2 years I've dealt with the narc that I had all the right tools from the beginning. Stuff like the "watch what he does, not what he says" and "he's never going to make you happy unless the crazy behaviour stops." Amazing how you switch off the common sense in the face of such an incredibly attractive mask...
Jan 14 - 3PM
MandyM
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Thanks

Thanks so much to everyone for the responses. I have indeed read the Passive Aggressive list, and he fits many of those characteristics, as well. There are other things I realize I left out of my original post that fit the N category. The friends he kept around him the most - mostly women - he would constantly rip to shreds to me: one was "psycho," one was "weird," one had "mental issues," one was "spineless," one talked "out of his a**" - and yet these were his closest friends. He surrounded himself with people he felt he was better than. And there would be other people he would talk to me about, making fun of them and tearing them down and having a great time doing it, but as little as he thought of them, he still called them friends. That always bothered me. There were times he would tell me something about past girlfriends, or about his ex-wife (she left him, incidentally, and never contacted him personally again - all communication was done through their attorneys, which strikes me as someone who wanted to cut off all contact), that wouldn't add up, or that would be different from things he'd said before. He was always a victim - nothing was ever his fault. He could justify absolutely anything he said or did. If he felt someone truly wronged him, they were cut out of his life instantly. Everything had to be on his terms - I could never call the shots. If he didn't want to do something, he didn't do it. He swept me off my feet in the beginning, got obsessive when I left town a couple times for vacations with constant calling and texting, and would fish for compliments from me in the first few months of the relationship. He told me about several female friends who were supposedly in tears at his engagement party because they always believed he would marry THEM. He would take credit for everything, no matter how little it was. He was one of the popular kids when we were in high school, and most of those people are still his friends. He's close to his family. He's charismatic and outgoing and charming . . . and moody, and has been on anti-anxiety meds for twenty years, and drinks quite a bit. When he was good, he was REALLY good - he was attentive and involved and would do work on my house and defend me when my former boss was an idiot and didn't treat me well. But that good side would come and go at random so I always felt off balance. Intellectually, I know I'm better off, and that I'm doing all I can to move on (except I'm still not able to unfriend him on Facebook just yet - I'm working on that). I haven't reached out to him in months, only communicating when he e-mails. Emotionally, though, I haven't caught up to my logic yet. It's hard. How can they treat us so unfairly, and we KNOW they treat us that way and we deserve better, but we still want them back?
Jan 14 - 3PM (Reply to #9)
Briseis
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It's called Cognitive

It's called Cognitive Dissonance http://www.vainencounters.com/2010/12/07/cognitive-dissonance-leads-obsessive-thoughts If you google this term as well, you are going to find a LOT of literature and description of this phenomenon. While you are at it, google "trauma bonding" and "Stockholm Syndrome". That constant imbalance is a mechanism the Narc uses both deliberately and unconsciously to do one thing. KEEP you off balance. Keep you from finding your feet. You spend your available mental energy trying to figure out WTF is going on, and usually you blame yourself or think it's you. It is a control mechanism. What you've gone through with him? Predictable and well documented. And I'll bet your sex life with him was pretty weird too :P You'll uncover a lot more "hey, he really is a Narc" as you go along. Across the board, from cooking and eating a meal, to using the bathroom to how he treated waiters/waitresses and on up. Your heart will catch up to your head. But you have to actively bring the two together. Part of it is educating yourself as much as possible about NPD or personality disorders in general. The other part is reading about how being with a person like this affects the victims. You will find that you are even less alone, that your relationship was even less unique than you ever dreamed :)
Jan 14 - 4PM (Reply to #10)
MandyM
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Actually, in this instance,

Actually, in this instance, I have to be fair and say the sex was the best I've ever had. Not weird in the least. I'll say that for him.
Jan 14 - 4PM (Reply to #11)
Briseis
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Erm . . . just wait and see

Erm . . . just wait and see on that one :D ((((hugs))))
Jan 14 - 2PM
Briseis
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Welcome Mandy :) Here's how

Welcome Mandy :) Here's how I know you have had an encounter with a Narc. Months later, you are still all messed up over him. That is Sign Number One. It is the result of trauma bonding and mindf*ck. This does not happen in relationships with NORMAL people, no matter how jerky they are. I don't need any more information or detail, frankly. You are welcome here and I'm gonna relate to this ex of yours as a Narc as we go along. I like (if you can like such an ugly truth) what Agnesmurphy said "He's just not into you". What a punch in the gut, but she is underscoring the most important, painful wound you received. This is a devastating kind of wound. Your very BEING was demeaned and rejected. Only Narcs can do this, because only Narcs reject people at such a deep level, and you KNOW it, which is why you are still suffering. There is a continuum of Narc behavior, but I'd place your fellow at a more extreme end, not toward the "better" end. His behavior toward you may not have included overt bullying, name calling, or physical threats and violence. But it was overwhelmingly COLD and CRUEL. If a relatively decent guy was just not that into you and ended the relationship, you'd know why. You might not like it, it might be humiliating or infuriating or whatever. But you'll know. You'd be able to "read" what you needed to know in his responses and behaviors toward you, and that is along with his words. This guy gave you basically nothing, and treated you as if you were a disposable thing, not a real person. And that he continues to email you is revolting and I want to blow up his computer. You know what? You were too healthy for him. We have a new forum we'll be transitioning to over the next year (we just wuv this one so much it won't be easy to let it go :D ), so please go to http://www.allaboutrecoverynetwork.com/home and sign up, use your same username MandyM and get to know that place. Most of the action is still over here, but on the new board there are multiple cool features like Chat where you can talk with folks in real time and specific forums based upon Lisa Scott's new recovery book :)
Jan 14 - 1PM
Scoop
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Its so hard to pin point

Its so hard to pin point abuse when the narc hasnt raised his voice or got violent because that is what everyone thinks abuse is all about and unless you have been on the recieving end of Narc abuse then and only then can you begin to understand the daily crushing of youre soul this underhand ,insidious abuse can feel like . I have split up with lots of people ,hell i even left my narc this time round but never before have i had to seek theropy after a break up and that is the diffrence here . There is a unique pain that comes from being with a disordered person that is like no other pain , it is almost impossible to describe but if reading the board has propted you to write and join out comunity then i think it is a very good chance that you where dealing with a narc here . Just a quick word on closure , the narc will NEVER give you any closure it is you that has to close the door and as for writing to you and you replying and then it goes quite at his end .. well that is a classic narc thing to do , and why do they do this ? they do it because they view you as a toy in their toy box which they have put on the shelf for the moment because they have become board playing with "it" , the email is just a little test to them to see if you are still willing to play with them when they have finished playing with what ever new toy they might have now . This is why we so no contact , never reply to theses kind of games as all it does is give him his narc supply and keeps you in a state of emotional limbo ... Big Love to you ... i think you have found the right place and you are very welcome ... Scoop x
Jan 14 - 1PM
ally2375
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Hi Mandy

Your story is strikingly similar to mine, down to the divorce and the disappearing act. Read it if you've a mind to. I've had many of the same questions you do, as mine was never verbally or physically abusive either. I attributed a lot of the hot and cold behavior to his trauma over his divorce, but now I see I excused a lot I shouldn't have. Bet dollars to doughnuts that his routine was a contributing factor to the divorce, not the result of it. I would advise you to do some research on Passive Aggressive behavior. I think mine is more in this category than in the Narcissist category, though there are a lot of similarities. Yours may be PA also. Learning has been the best way for me to begin healing (that and NC) because you will get a lot of reinforcement that the behavior is about THEM, not about any deficiency in you. Best of luck. Please visit here whenever you need to talk as we have all been where you are. Ask anything and know that you will get through this. Hugs, Ally
Jan 14 - 1PM
agnesmurphy17
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he's just not that into you

There's some truth to such a line. I think women cannot understand how a guy can be in some sort of a pseudo-relationship for months or years but never want to take it to the next level. But men can. And he will never end it because a man always want to have the chance to come back for more nookie if he feels for that. Somehow you were no longer useful, or . . . who knows, he's gone. Sadly, we feel that if we allay their fears & their insecurites they will "choose me." We have such a feeling of having to be chosen by men. We have to be good enough for them. This guy sent you very mixed messages. You read that which you wanted to read & ignored others. You hoped the family visits & the meeting of friends would be come the usual course & you two would be together as a couple all the time. Well the opposite happened. He pulled away & built on those times when he did not include you. In the end, he excluded you. And, without a care for your feelings. He used you. It was all about him. He never gave a thought as to how you would feel, or your attachment, or if his actions would hurt you. It was All About Him. This does not mean he's a personality disordered individual. But, damn, he's selfish & inconsiderate & rude & a user -- in my book. BASTA! You, my dear, are too good for this a**hole! You are so lucky to have gotten away. Focus on yourself. Build up your self-esteem. You do the choosing, not them. Take control. Good girls go to heaven. Bad girls go everywhere & have fun. No more being a doormat! No more being nice to a**holes! Only nice to guys who treat you CONSISTENTLY nice.
Jan 14 - 1PM
ewa
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Big chance he is a N. Mine

Big chance he is a N. Mine behaved in very similar way, apart of the fact he has admitted he is in relationship with me. Narcissist does not necessary shout at you or physically abuse you..in my case i was the one shouting..Maybe he knew shouting is not really working with me, so he could not use it for manipulating me..maybe I do not know and i do not want to think of it anymore. But they all have one i common. They do not respect feeling of the people who love them, they constantly lie, they give you silent treatment " not responding the phones", and generally there are very selfish. Mine also had lot of female friends because he constantly looked for admiration. I think if i did not sense that something was wrong and i did not spy on him i would never knew about his cheating he had no reason to show it to me as i was a great supply..now i can see it. One more think...when you break up with N you hurt a lot..as they do not give you closure...they will tell you sth like " I will always love you", "We could be together if you did not behave this way", "I would really love to be with you but..". Each case is different but there are similarities. It needs tome to get over them but it is possible. I wish you all the best. Hugs!
Jan 14 - 1PM
fooled no longer
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it doesnt matter if you our

it doesnt matter if you our Iv think the Narc label fits him or not, he was a jerk to you and spineless too. leaving you with the mess, which you are still trying to work through. i gave myself closure - when every bell was going off in my head but I couldnt pin him down. I imagined my worst senario of him and what he was up to. and Lo and Behold!! it has energed over the months that not only was he doing all the terrible things i suspected, but much worse. So hes a slimely,thats all you need to know. He probabky was preparing his table somewhere else while you were loving him, probably had more than one woman lined up, and then slipped out and left you to face the music. spineless pig, so he didnt hit you, shout or whatever, instead he slipped in, raped your soul and slipped out. leaving you to question weather you did something wrong for the rest of your life. Give yourself closure, stop dressing him up in your fantasy "not so bad clothes" he is a spineless suckface. burn him out of your life. move forward x A
Jan 14 - 12PM
Jean
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admired by many vs loved by one

There is a good article under Recent Blogs "why a N prefers to be admired by many than loved by one." It is confusing when you are dealing with a person who appears to be "popular" and "well-liked" and yet they don't treat you well, yet that sort of behavior seems to be very consistent with Narcissists. They use people like drugs, but since they can only see themselves as "good", no one can get too close - then they would be forced to perhaps examine the darker areas of themselves. Based on what I've read on this board, my opinion is that this character has a lot of the traits: charm, come here/go away behavior, keeping you at a distance, extraversion, inability to communicate honestly or clearly, sense of entitlement ("personal rights"). The mere fact that you suspect something is wrong with him is telling - and the fact that you don't feel good after being with him. This is a very good place to be for recovery - very very helpful with information and comfort from other N victims.