Apocalypse Now

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#1 Aug 20 - 10AM
helldweller
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Apocalypse Now

I was watching "Apocalypse Now" last night and if you haven't seen it, it is based on "Heart of Darkness" by Joseph Conrad. In the movie, based in Vietnam, Brando plays a Colonel who has gone insane, and has made himself the ruler of the remote village he's shut himself up in. Martin Sheen is a captain and assasin who is sent to kill him. When the captain arrives at the village, a long sequence begins in which the colonel knows he's going to be killed, and Sheen has to decide if he's going to do it. The Colonel actually begins to convince Sheen that he's not crazy--that everyone else is--and it's only in a moment of sheer will that the Captain manages to do what he was sent for.

At one point, a photojournalist tells the Captain: "He likes you because you're still alive. He has plans for you."

If I had a dollar for every time I felt that about the N: that he hadn't totally destroyed me yet because he needed me for something, because he had plans for me.

I always assumed it was because he needed my adoration, but
Sometimes I wonder if, like the Colonel, the n wanted ME to destroy HIM: If he wanted me to bring him down. Did anyone else ever feel that way? That they wanted to be stopped? To be revealed? To be brought down?

Aug 20 - 7PM
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"You're bringing me down"

During my freshman year, my ex-Psych professor would ALWAYS tell me that I was bringing him down. Since I was enrolled in his lab class at the time, I kept him on a short leash (I slacked off after that, since my grades were no longer dependent on his sanity, or lack thereof) When I called him out on the way he gossiped about me, spread blatant lies, used my own good qualities against me, and punished me for being nice to him... he'd whine "you're bringing me down." I'd also say that it looked pathetic of him to be bullying A STUDENT. Okay, students bullying each other--that happens. Professors bullying each other--that happens. But when a teacher bullies a student, there's a great inequality. It's not a fair fight. After the D&D, the revelation of the fiancee, he said that he was SUPPOSED to be the Bad Guy, that I was SUPPOSED to hate him AND admire him at the same time. I was baffled by that one. His lies towards the end were done so sloppily it was like he WANTED to be caught. His swift retreat (with his poor curator fiancee trying to catch up) as I told his fellow professors, "My ex-P didn't tell me he already had a girlfriend" was... pathetic. He didn't even try to cover himself. He didn't mind publicly embarrassing me;it's not as if he kept his nastiness behind closed doors, and had a polished Nice Guy image for everyone else. He WANTED to be the villain. That baffles me.
Aug 20 - 6PM
Klarity Belle
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Cowardly poor me's!

Mine used to lie on the floor in a dark room crying and saying he was empty inside. I was about to give birth to our first child when he first pulled this stunt. It was so not what I needed to see or hear - the reality that the biggest baby in my life was my partner on the floor. Things got much much worse. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ "The deeper that sadness carves into your being, the more joy you can contain." ~ Kahlil Gibran "That which we do not confront in ourselves we meet as fate" ~ Carl Jung http://www.storyofmylife.com/KLARITY4

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"The deeper that sadness carves into your being, the more joy you can contain." ~ Kahlil Gibran

"That which we do not confront in ourselves we meet as fate" ~ Carl Jung

http://www.storyofmylife.com/KLARITY4

Aug 20 - 5PM
Kelly
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Before the D&D

Just before he really dug into me, he asked me why I didn't dump the guy I had been seeing for a month to be with him (after we had only been on one date together.) I tried to be nice in my answer, but I was only met with the harshest D&D. Reflecting on this, I wonder if that's what he really wanted. If he was giving me an opening to D&D him. To tell him all of the "bad" qualities I might have seen in him that would make it okay for me to have let him go. I really think that was what he did want. He was so so troubled. . . .
Aug 20 - 1PM
cluelessuntilnow
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Apocalypse Now

Yes, yes, yes. I have felt like that. In fact people tell me that he tells me WAYYY to much, always has. Everything from his womanizing to his drinking to his bad parenting and control freaky nature. Almost like if I tell her all this she might out me, or rescue me. He most recently told me "I have done so many bad things, bad things that have nothing to do with you" and I can imagine and pretty much know what they are. He also consistently tells me how much he is drinking and how screwed up he is, and I thought for a while that he wanted sympathy, but I am beginning to think no one in his world calls him on anything and he might actually thrive on the thrill of telling me to see what I might do. I am not here to rescue nor out him. In fact, I shouldn't even be here at all, but I do think there is some part of him that would like it if the tower came tumbling down.
Aug 20 - 10AM
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helldweller

this feeling you have, he wanted you to find out...it is a distancing tactic. Narcs blow hot and cold...they want to establish the status quo...so if you are at 10 and he has decided that all he wants to give is 5, he will start to act out, so you have to make the decisions...it is passive aggressive...so then you go back to 0...then he blows hot again to bring you back to 5. Bottom line is, they have decided what sort of supply you are, not you. And sometimes they will not tell you. Are you the wife, the whore, the friend....what ever it is, he has made his mind up already about you. They do not really see you. And this revealing of his true self, to stop him, in fact is a passive aggressive tactic to managing down your expectations about him. We react with more love, but this he doesnt understand, since he is showing you what ass he is, so subciounsesly they know something must be wrong with you - low self esteem maybe....it is a very distorted way to communicate and to have a relationship.
Aug 20 - 2PM (Reply to #5)
Playedwithfire
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Passive Aggressive

I can agree with that. I'm reading The Road Less Travelled by Scott Peck. Page 99-100 was where i discovered my STBAXH is a passive agressive. Well spoken indeed! Playedwithfire

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Aug 20 - 10AM
helldweller
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Apocalypse Now

Another great line from that movie: After the Captain gets his assassination orders for the Colonel, he get on the boat which will take him to the Colonel's village. He says: "I was going to the worst place in the world, and I didn't even know it." Yep. And then he talks about being screwed up by the war. That after he was in the thick of it, he could no longer function at home. "When I was here (in Saigon) I wanted to be there. And when I was there, all I could think about was getting back to the jungle." Really speaks to that feeling so many of us have of being drawn back into it until we're back in, and then thinking, "Why did I want to be here? It's horrible!"
Aug 20 - 12PM (Reply to #2)
almostlydia
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Great lines, definitely. I

Great lines, definitely. I have had some weird ideas about this too. They're kind of far fetched but still, I wondered if he was trying to repeat the history of what I think was his childhood trauma. Repeating the same behaviors that drove his Mother to shoot his Father five times and tear the family apart. As if he could final either understand it or have some different ending or something. Mostly I just think it set his course in life to damage every woman that crosses his path. Which then makes me wonder if he can finally find some contentment being with his new 'men' friends:) almostlydia

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Aug 20 - 1PM (Reply to #3)
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almostlydia

funny you should say that, narc, tho he was always talking about his dead mother, he was detrimental about her, but still must of missed her, then one day he said its just as well my mother died, he had a real odd look on his face isaid , what do mean, do you mean you think you would have done something to he yes. so i believe there is something in what you say.