The Consequences of Pathological Lying

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#1 Apr 14 - 7PM
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The Consequences of Pathological Lying

by Kathy Krajco

Many people apparently think that if you just believe your own lies, then they aren't lies!

Is this like that stupid question about a tree falling in a forest without anybody to see or hear it? In that case, some intellectual asks, "Did it fall?"

Yes, numbskull.

And if you believe your own lies, you're not innocent: you're just a double liar.

It takes little thought to see how a head full of lies is not a good thing. The brain is like a computer: garbage in, garbage out. Narcissists recklessly abuse their minds with garbage.

For one thing, a narcissist's need to think nasty lies about the good makes him unknowing of who his friends are and whom to trust. For another thing, his past could catch up with him at any moment, but he's got himself believing he's so special that he can get away with anything forever. So, he gets reckless, living as though his life is lived on a beach, instead of in a jungle where he has made many angry enemies. Also, he loses track of his various and changing versions of things, tripping himself up and confusing himself.

Moreover, you can't habitually force thinking to take tortuous, anti-logical pathways without damaging the brain's ability to think straight. I've known old narcissists. And I think that, as they age, the mind muddles.

Since much of his lying is through abuse of words, over time words melt together and lose their meaning to him. This becomes evident in his speech. For example, you might notice that his vocabulary becomes so limited he calls anything that comes in an envelope a "letter." No big deal? To the contrary, that's a very big deal, because words are what we think with!

He thus sabotages his mind so that, though he isn't senile and has no trace of Alzheimer's, (a) he can't think his way out of a paper bag and (b) he cannot speak a five-word sentence without getting stuck at a loss for some common noun or verb that his brain can't come up with.

This is why narcissists really need to get real and stop abusing their minds. Peter Pan must leave Never Never Land and reach the Age of Reason. For his own sake.

Friends don't lie to friends. People who lie to themselves are their own worst enemies.

http://narc-attack.blogspot.com/2005/12/consequences-of-pathological-lyi...

Mar 25 - 10AM
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believing their own lies.....

i always think of Kelly Bundy on Married with Children.. 'if you tell a lie, but you believe it, is it really a lie?'.....and we all know how smart Kelly Bundy was!!...
Mar 25 - 9AM
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The Consequences of Pathological Lying

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Dec 5 - 8PM
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The Consequences of Pathological Lying

READ TOP POST ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free. But first, it will piss you off. - Gloria Steinem
Dec 5 - 8PM (Reply to #21)
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Lying

Over the years my N has lied about my character, actions, personality, etc. to anyone and everyone who will listen. Friends, family, co-workers, his co-workers, neighbors, you name it, he's spent quite a bit of time and energy lying about me. I figure, anyone who has nothing better to do than to talk about their wife in a negative way is tightening their own noose. I never have let it bother me and I never felt the need to "clear my name". The truth always shines through his clouds. My best friend told me that he came to her store and plopped down for 30 minutes to trash talk me a few years ago. My friend, who has known me for years, thought it pretty serious that he felt the need to do this and listened as if maybe I really needed help. A frequent customer had entered the store about 15 mins into his pitch and his back was towards her the entire time he was smearing me, but as soon as he left she immediately asked who he was and why he was there - visibly upset. My friend told her he was the husband of her best friend (me) and he just needed to talk. The customer was uncomfortable and told my friend that both she and I should get away from him - he had a very dark cloud around him. The customer was deaf. It never made sense to me before, but, hell, it makes all the sense in the world now!
Aug 18 - 3AM
Barbara (not verified)
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when Narcs play with history or 'can't remember' things

http://www.cosmicwalk.co.za/games-history.html
Jul 13 - 1AM
Carolyn
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One of the few benefits I

One of the few benefits I got from my ex was when the real web of lies he told about me to co-workers, his next wife, and anyone who would listen, all got outed. He lost his job, the next wife repeated a lot of it and as we were all in the same industry when it turned out I didn't have a mental health history or any of the other outragsous things she was repeating her boss fired her. She divorced my ex and they both left the city we were living in. I guess I should say I was sorry the lying he did blew up on him but I'm not.
Jul 12 - 10PM
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Jodie

And this was my MOTHER for goodness sake! So you can imagine how much self-esteem and boundaries I grew up with - NONE. It's taken me 50 years to get here and I still struggle every day. But I hope my hard - won experience will help someone. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Easy Automatic Lies of the Narcissist Narcissists lie so easily; it's like taking a breath. They are clever with their lies. Narcissists lie with a purpose in mind. Their goal is to get them who, what and where they want as quickly as possible. Narcissists lie to everyone:spouses, partners, parents, children, bosses, co-workers, friends. The narcissistic personality has not developed a conscience that makes discriminations about what is right and wrong. These individuals tell lies based on personal expediencies and their extreme sense of self entitlement. They are unconcerned about the effect of their lies and betrayals upon others, even marital partners who have shared their lives for decades or their children for whom they should set an example of integrity. The narcissist decides if he is going to lie based on whether he can get away with it or not. No one can have a meaningful authentic relationship with a person who is constantly lying. The perpetual cascade of lies that flow from the narcissist fuel his grandiosity and keep his ego well inflated. This works for the narcissist who doesn't have the word "truth" in his life vocabulary but it is cruel and harmful to those who share his life. http://www.thenarcissistinyourlife.com Linda Martinez-Lewi, Ph.D. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Articles & information for abuse victims - Updated Daily Online Coaching for Victims of Narcissists/ Psychopaths
Jul 12 - 10PM (Reply to #17)
Jodie
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Barbara

You are a blessing to so many, something very good has come out of this mess. You have really helped my life during an unbearable time. Your suffering was not for nothing friend. "Cry now because you lost him or cry later because you have him."

"Cry now because you lost him or cry later because you have him."

Jul 12 - 3PM
Jodie
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My N is a Penn State

My N is a Penn State graduate (with a civil engineering degree) although he is a pharmaceutical rep by day and fighter by night (so many contradictions), at any rate you'd think he was intelligent enough to understand the English language. He constantly makes up his own words, words that make no sense, like a 5 year old would make up. They were so off the wall I can't remember what they (the words) were but I would always say, "Thats not eve a word!!" "Cry now because you lost him or cry later because you have him."

"Cry now because you lost him or cry later because you have him."

Jul 12 - 8PM (Reply to #14)
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i got one for ya

My N was lacking in the vocab department so that's when the stupid words came out. He said "COUNKULATOR" I'd say "it's cal- cu-lator" Then hed get defensive "I know what I said" Never correct a Narc! Be kinder than necessary to everyone you meet; for everyone is fighting some kind of battle - anonymous- :o) nolongercontrolled
Jul 13 - 1PM (Reply to #15)
Scoop
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I corrected my ns grammer

I corrected my ns grammer all the time ! he would be on a rant about something and he would say "and he done that " and i would say "did " hahahahhahaha yes ! it drove him mad . wow that look in his eyes but towards the end i didnt push my luck . im into day 9 of no contact and he has hit the internet with strange emails which can only be described as full on narcissist rants to friends and work mates , although i cant block emails i have started to return them to him . oh oh arrr i just remebered a great story of how stupid my ns was once. We where at this event in Cambridge uni and my mate Owen was there and he is the leading guy on George Orwell knows everything and anything about Orwell . my stupid ns talked at Owen for a good 15 mins teaching Owen all about Orwell and quoted quotes at him all wrong and in the end my ns turned to everyone and asked " is Geroge Orwell dead or alive " It was buttock clenching bad but on the other hand sooooo funny . I have a new phrase for the day "truth will out " one day soon the truth will out about him and the emails he sent today went along way to helping that . Im not a fan of watching someone self destruct but i am making an exception for him . peru x
Jul 12 - 7PM (Reply to #10)
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Jodie

So weird. My ex too is a Penn State graduate - both undergrad and MBA! AND he makes up words - to be silly. I thought it was cute at the time. Now it just annoys me to think about.
Jul 12 - 9PM (Reply to #13)
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malapropisms

Psycho Boy is a right-wing pundit blogger. Just visit my site about him: http://thestumblingblock.wordpress.com - and his new nickname and blog URL is imbedded there. He misspells EVERYTHING... EVERYTHING. And he wants people to think he's smart. And he's got an education... GAG!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Articles & information for abuse victims - Updated Daily Online Coaching for Victims of Narcissists/ Psychopaths
Jul 12 - 8PM (Reply to #11)
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Big words..

Well in this my ex s/p didn't have a very large vocabulary so I never notice this trait but it is very interesting. I do remember her telling me how she hated when I would use "big words" when I tried discussing an issue. Then she went on to state how I did it to "look" important. Anyway in my defend I told her I use these words to try to better explain how I felt. Big mistake! Never tell them "how you feel" might as well talk to a person that struggle with the English language. Si si no Incommunicado...
Dec 6 - 2PM (Reply to #12)
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"I've known old narcissists.

"I've known old narcissists. And I think that, as they age, the mind muddles." Boy is this true. My STBX is 54 and I was just writing my lawyer about my concerns for his memory and logic (lack of both). He really seems incapable of tracking. And that is a big deal when you're a parent!!!! He writes in vague, impressionistic terms. I now see how it is all a tool to make himself slippery so you can't pin him down. When you ask for clarification on some specific fact that you know would back him into a lie, he just goes mute or attacks something YOU did. I remember writing him a long letter - basically a plea for him to grow up and work with me for the betterment of the children and our family. He spent a long time reading it and finally brought it to me and asked what it meant. I thought he was kidding, but he really could not understand anything written about emotion or relationship dynamics. It might as well have been in German. He could read travel logs, surfing journals, the police blotter, stuff like that, but anything that required introspection or empathy - he actually admitted he couldn't even make any sense of it at all. I remember him standing there with the letter in his hands and thinking "I'm not an awful writer, it was pretty direct - he's NOT normal". He couldn't call anything or anybody by their real name either. I thought it was all the drugs he did in the 70's. But I'm learning a lot here. Unreal how strong the common threads are among narcissists.
Jul 12 - 7PM (Reply to #5)
Barbara (not verified)
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Jodie

my late Nmother did that ALLL the time and she was very smart. She also liked to use the WRONG word because it SOUNDED more "refined" - yet she ended up looking like a complete ass. When I'd call her on it - oy the RAGING!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Articles & information for abuse victims - Updated Daily Online Coaching for Victims of Narcissists/ Psychopaths
Jul 12 - 7PM (Reply to #6)
Jodie
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So bizarre. They literally

So bizarre. They literally have their own language and have no shame/embarrassment when called out on it...just rage. "Cry now because you lost him or cry later because you have him."

"Cry now because you lost him or cry later because you have him."

Jul 12 - 10PM (Reply to #9)
better off
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Unreal how they are the

Unreal how they are the same. My NH makes up words, cannot communicate, and also says people's names wrong. If you try to correct him, he'll say, well that's how *I* say it. Which I always thought was so stubborn and stupid, but now it makes "sense" in that as a N, he thinks he can do whatever he wants, including mispronouncing your name. I once worked for a very loony N...and he would fire his secretaries for correcting his made-up words or grammar, which was their friggin JOB. He once yelled, "if Webster can make up words then so can I!!!" We were only allowed to use one color of pen, and he banned paper clips. So weird!! A girl I worked with went to another company and mailed me a letter in three colors of ink and put paper clips all around the border of it, lol.
Jul 12 - 9PM (Reply to #7)
Barbara (not verified)
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lying - revising history - denying reality

pretty much and this goods HAND IN HAND with them having their own separate reality... Here's another example from NMother. Myself and exNH, my brother and his wife and my Father were at a restaurant just having drinks. My Nmother was against the wall, in a booth - with my Father next to her. (My Dad was 6'5") My mother decided to DECLARE what a wonderful dinner she was going to make for us. I had NO intention of helping her because if you ever tried to help her you were DOING IT WRONG (exNH was the same way). She started saying what she was going to prepare and my exNH offhandedly said "I'm allergic to that." She looked at me and repeated that she was making it and he would EAT IT! I said "Ma, unless you have an Epi-Pen or 911 on speed dial - he's said he's allergic to that." NMother's voice got raised and she said "You WON'T BE ALLERGIC TO IT THE WAY I MAKE IT!" My brother (her Golden Boy and a chemist) said "Ma, unless you can change the DNA of it - he's still going to be allergic to it." NMother burst into tears and tried to push my Father out of the booth to do one of her GRAND EXITS from the bar to go boo hoo in the car... she was blathering on about how hateful her family was... how they didn't appreciate her... and my Father said "You're not leaving, you're going to sit here and behave yourself!" Of course when we got home she raged and even woke me up at 3am to rage some more. The next day I packed and left. Left exNH there because he wouldn't leave. Enough was enough. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Articles & information for abuse victims - Updated Daily Online Coaching for Victims of Narcissists/ Psychopaths
Jul 12 - 9PM (Reply to #8)
Jodie
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I can't even comment on this

I can't even comment on this except. Unreal. Their behavior is astounding, "He won't be allergic to it the way I make it." yep, sounds about right. Just mind bending reality. "Cry now because you lost him or cry later because you have him."

"Cry now because you lost him or cry later because you have him."

Jul 12 - 1PM
Barbara (not verified)
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consequences of lying

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Apr 18 - 1AM
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and narcs lie to even themselves

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May 12 - 1PM (Reply to #2)
Barbara (not verified)
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bumping this up

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