Denial and Its Power

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#1 Apr 20 - 5PM
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Denial and Its Power

Every once in while you need to be reminded that not everyone thinks you know diddly squat. Sometimes it's the people closest to you that think you are a moron. It's not that it's new to me. It reminds me that not everyone believes me when I tell them I think he's pathological and it reminds me that denial is a mighty force like a tidal wave.

My girlfriend's daughter could have been in my 'Women Who Love Psychopaths' book -- that is, her traits, her background, the men she chooses, the father of her child -- is identical to the women in the book EXCEPT she hasn't broken thru her own denial yet. The women in the book broke thru theirs long enough to at least answer the survey. "E" hasn't come that far yet no matter how many of my books I give her, how many times I have pounded this into her head when I see her.

"E's" daughter she had with the pathological is a whopping 5 years old and he's been out of jail probably less than 1 year of her short life in small increments of months at a time until he does something else and goes back to jail:

* He has no empathy,
* no insight about his behavior,
* he lives a parasitic life off of others,
* he deals drugs for his full time employment (when he's out of prison),
* he never learns from his consequences and
* he expects others to cater to his pitiful life.

In short, he meets the criteria for a psychopath.

I have known "E" since she was about 7 or 8 years old and she grew up with my children. She's now 27. This week "E" told her mother:

"Sandy doesn't know what she's talking about. She may write books but she doesn't realllyyy know what she thinks she knows. She assumes these people can't change but I am the hopeful type that believes anyone can change, especially if 'they want to' and with God's help. You can't be a Christian and believe that people don't change."

Did you sigh a big sigh reading that? That's how I feel day in and day out as I see the mixed effects on women from both a lack of public psychopathy education in this country and a whopping dose of denial. Denial is often an under-rated defense belief system in terms of the devastation it can cause people. Over and over I watch just one defense mechanism -- DENIAL -- kill women, harm their children, lose their career over, go into financial bankruptcy because of it, become spiritually bankrupt as well, and emotionally harmed and scarred because of one simple highly defensive belief system: Denial.

Denial is a defense mechanism' postulated by Freud that when a person is faced with a fact that is too uncomfortable to accept they will reject it instead, insisting that it is not true despite what may be overwhelming evidence. In "E's" case that would be, he doesn't work, he lives 10 months out of every year in jail, doesn't pay child support, lives with his parents or other women, lies/steals/cheats/deals and has never done anything different.

This is the 'overwhelming evidence' of psychopathy that denial is based on. And I'm sure, in "E's" defense, it's uncomfortable to accept that he's never going to help her and her child's dad will live most of his life in jail or prison.

Denial is different than ignorance. Igorance doesn't have the information to make an informed choice. "E" has the information in the form of previous experience with him, his consistent behavior that never changes, and a lot of info she's gotten from me and refuses to use it to develop honest insight about his traits, behaviors, outcomes, and ultimately his mental health. She needs the illusion that he isn't pathological, that one day he will somehow 'just be different.' It's magical thinking at best, and sad, sad, sad denial at worst.

It will cost her everything to stubbornly cling to the belief that he won't live the rest of his life in jail, live off of others, and do nothing for his child. It may cost her a child abduction when he doesn't bring the child back when he's supposed to (oh yeah, she already went thru that). It may cause her serious finanical struggles when he doesn't pay child support and she must do it all (oh yeah, she 's already living that -- she has to live with her mother because he doesn't pay support.)

It may cost her child constant attachment and detachment problems when she goes for long periods of time and doesn't see him and is told 'Daddy is in time-out.' (What a way to put it!)

Oh yeah, the 5 year old is already in mental health counseling according to mom "It's important she has a relationship with her dad."

WIth denial "E" does see that she doesn't have a relationship with her dad! And since he is incapable of true attachment, empathy, love, consistency, or insight, what in the world can he give to her? He deals drugs with her in the car and she stays 90% of the time with his parents. But denial lets her believe that something other than drug dealing is happening in those sparce moments in between jail/prison time she has with her dad.

The theory of denial was first researched seriously by Freud's daughter Anna. She classified denial as a mechanism of the immature mind because it conflicts with the 'ability to learn from and cope with reality.'

Learning from reality is what the path of recovery is all about -- accepting what is -- his diagnosis, his incurable disorder, his pathology. You can't learn from something that you don't accept and you will never cope with something you don't believe.

There are so many forms of denial, no wonder it is so prevalent -- denial of facts, denial of responsibility, denial of impact, denial of awareness, denial of cycles, even denial of denial! With so many forms to get entangled with, is it any wonder it can take a woman years to 'come to believe' that her life with a pathological is unmanagable, dangerous, and deadening.

The last time I looked in the face of this kind of scarey denial where I was told I didn't know what I was talking about in explaining possible lethality to a mom, she was shot in the head and died in front of her young children by him. Now parent-less AND traumatized, the children are the byproduct of his deadly pathology and her deadly denial.

I hate denial because I saw someone die because of it and all to protect and defend an illusionary concept of a relationship that DIDNT EVEN EXIST the way she believed it did simply because she didn't want to face reality.

Reality is a gift. It's the only truth. Truth is bigger and even safer than hope. Hope in him gets plenty of women and their children hurt when denial eclipses 'overwhelming evidence.'

http://www.saferelationshipsmagazine.com

Mar 14 - 1PM
seancunningham
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Sleeping with Danger

My N used to delight in telling me what he would do to people who pissed him off. I don't know if it was said to intimidate me, or scare me off, or what. But, it made me make an informed decision. I think he had psychopathic tendencies. Toward the end, he got psychotic. I don't know if he was on something that was making him act this way. But it wasn't normal. The manipulation was obvious. The silence and then rage. Maybe he just got spooky to make me leave.
Mar 14 - 3PM (Reply to #17)
Barbara (not verified)
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crazy

he wasn't 'on' anything but his own pathology! ~~~~~~~~~ The world is a dangerous place, not only because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. - Albert Einstein Visit My Info. Website for Abuse Victims
Mar 13 - 1AM
Barbara (not verified)
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Denial and Its Power

READ TOP POST ~~~~~~~~~ The world is a dangerous place, not only because of those who do evil, but because of those who look on and do nothing. - Albert Einstein Visit My Info. Website for Abuse Victims
Nov 15 - 10PM
Barbara (not verified)
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don't want to believe they're NOT HUMAN?

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Oct 10 - 3PM
Barbara (not verified)
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the Power of Denial

SEE TOP POST ~~~~~~~~~~~~ "Pathologicals only discard the best, most precious of gems of people... not the worst. They despise the strong, principled, decent & honest. Their discarding of you is then their highest commendation of your worth!" - A.V.
Jun 29 - 12PM
Barbara (not verified)
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in denial?

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Apr 20 - 5PM
Barbara (not verified)
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more on denial

http://howtospotadangerousman.blogspot.com/2008/06/reality-and-suffering.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~ My site: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Cost-Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
Jun 30 - 12PM (Reply to #2)
Barbara (not verified)
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are you pretending 'not to know'?

by Susan J. Elliot the denial, the pretending, the settling for, was absolutely necessary in order to keep a dysfunctional relationship together or to go back to a dysfunctional relationship or to hold out hope that a dysfunctional relationship would get better (newsflash: nuh-uh). But on some level I knew… I knew… I always knew. There were other times I “suspected” infidelity or conveniently ignored the hurtful words in the last argument… because if I acknowledged them I’d have to do something about them and I wasn’t ready for that. But the denial simply postpones the inevitable… or keeps us stuck in a bad situation… and we settle for less and less each day… because if someone gets away with it once, they do it again… and we have to pretend more and more while we ignore more and more… Read the rest here: http://shouldileave.wordpress.com/2009/06/24/what-are-you-pretending-not-to-know/ ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
Jun 30 - 9PM (Reply to #3)
Amy
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Absolutely

I absolutely pretended not to know. I swept so much under the rug. Saw my therapist for the second time today. Was very insightful. We discussed my boundary issues and the fact that I was trying to "make it work". He asked why I tried to make it work for so long, and I said I didn't want to fail...
Jun 30 - 10PM (Reply to #4)
Barbara (not verified)
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Amy

I said I didn't want to fail... This 'high relationship investment' is talked about by Brown in WOMEN WHO LOVE PSYCHOPATHS. Narcs and Ps count on it to help them keep us hooked in. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
Jun 30 - 10PM (Reply to #5)
Amy
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Thanks Barbara

I am sooooo over it at this point. I have no emotion towards him and the situation. Like I don't care if he has moved on or whatever. I just want to not run into him ever again. My therapist and I are working on me settng boundaries, not repeating the same behavior, listening to my gut and not ignoring the warning signs, standing up for myself... It's helping. My next exercise? Setting a boundary and a deadline to make my brother move out!
Dec 11 - 8PM (Reply to #6)
Barbara (not verified)
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Denial and Its Power

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Mar 13 - 9AM (Reply to #7)
peacewarrior
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For so long I was ignorant

For so long I was ignorant and uneducated about personality disorder traits. I could not grasp a person who would "not change". It was hard to comprehend and more difficult due to a pathalogical lying about change. For years I knew so many things were plain wrong, sick not a relationship between two people. FOO gave me hell for learning, net support groups as I worked hard to deal with what was, learn everything I could and protect myself. When I sought help at the YWCA and attended weekly group the group leader validated reality about behaviors. There were tests or quizzes to teach about behaviors and discussions. I got hell from FOO for going there screaming at me "there is no abuse" for I did not have a broken arm...or black eye. Interestingly FOO reject education, chose to deny and justify abuse that the victim is the 'bad person" saying "if so and so was not bad..then dad would not have hit her so hard in the face she lost consciousness..oh well the little girl was bad..so dad had to do it, it's her fault". Reality check: violence and blaming someone 200% for the perpetrator's behavior is sick. I have another recovery issue: I am not the BAD PERSON for saying no to abuse, passive agression, limits and boundaries.
Mar 13 - 10AM (Reply to #8)
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denial vs. ignorance

----i think many woman accused of being in denial are acutally just naive and ignorant, and really through no fault of their own..i don't think it's natural for people to go around searching for EVIL in others..it's human nature to give people the benefit of the doubt...where we go wrong is when we give MONSTERS the same benefit..usually through lack of knowledge, and not 'denial'....and i can say from personal experience that i knew there was something VERY wrong with the psychonarc..almost from day one..but at the time i lacked the knowledge to know what exactly it was...i took one ill fated trip to a marriage counselor with him..one HE chose, and probably knew...who blamed it all on the psychonarc being a VICTIM of alcoholism..and attacked me for not being understanding and supportive of his DISEASE..the guy then looked me straight in the eye and challenged me with ..'do you REALLY believe he wants to be this way?'...and i said...'yes i do'...even when we are no longer 'in denial' as long as everyone else around us stays entrenched in denial, it makes for, as my grandmother would say...a hard row to hoe.. My blog
Mar 13 - 10AM (Reply to #9)
seancunningham
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Denial

I was in denial. I was being primed. The gifts and the kindness were one side of the coin. The other side was the inherent evil that made itself apparent in a very short span of time. I made excuses for it, oh he's having a bad day, work pressures were too much, etc. There were many WTF moments. Finally I just got it. He's nuts. Who are these people really? Are they desperate enough to do anything to get what they want? If he is a psychopath, what is he capable of, if I show resistance? If they have no empathy, we are literally at their mercy. Could they kill us with no concern as well? My parents used to warn us to beware of strangers. These ARE strangers with bad intent.
Mar 14 - 1PM (Reply to #11)
rache
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Sean,the answer is yes

they can ~KILL~us-the psychopaths/sociopaths.my psychologist said-most definitely they could do it.He actually told me to stay far away from my old psychopath,as,he fears that is indeed what he thinks he will do.
Mar 13 - 11AM (Reply to #10)
ForeverLearning
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Beware Of Strangers - Perfect

That sums it up perfectly Sean - "Beware Of Strangers". Narcissists and Psychopaths will always be strangers, they are the poster child for STRANGE. Just like a Pedophile, they can't be rehabilitated, they are sick for life.