Does Love Erode in a Relationship with Narcissist?

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#1 Jan 5 - 4PM
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Does Love Erode in a Relationship with Narcissist?

by A.J. Mahari

Does love erode in a relationship with a narcissist? Does it just erode, implode or explode, does it simply self-destruct? What happens to love in these relationships? Why are these relationships so painful for those who are not personality-disordered?

What are you supposed to do with the various forms of wreckage left in the wake of the rupture of so-called love - the love you thought you shared with someone with Narcissistic Personality Disorder and/or Borderline Personality Disorder?

It is important to admit that the narcissist isn't capable of healthy adult love. It is important to admit and accept that the narcissist can only experience the world from a frame of reference that is self-absorbed. Relating or trying to love someone else from the vortex of emptiness inside that is so painful to the narcissist that it is constantly being overcompensated for is not ever a dynamic that can house healthy love.

Has your partner with Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) drained you? Do you feel exhausted? Do you feel like you are banging your head against a wall? Maybe you feel invisible? Yet, isn't also so compelling for some reason to want to continue to try to reach into that vortex of emptiness to see if you can really find the real him or her?

If you have fallen in love with someone with Narcissistic Personality Disorder, for all intents and purposes, you have fallen in love with someone who has a false sense of self entitlement, who is arrogant, who has a strong need to be right, who needs too much attention, who can't soothe him or herself and who needs your devotion, admiration and attention to soothe him or her. If you have fallen in love with a narcissist it doesn't even matter how much attention you do give to him or her, it won't be enough. It can be enough. It can't ever be enough.

There is a hole in the narcissist so large way down deep that is in many ways a bottomless pit. As the narcissist takes from others to try to soothe him or herself and to try to put some good feelings into that abyss inside - that cavernous woundedness inside - those who love the narcissist really end up only being representations of what the narcissist wants or needs. Simply put to love a narcissist is to become an addendum to his or her narcissistic supply - is to be a feeder for his or her every need or whim in ways that aren't healthy and can't ever really be helpful anyway.

If you've fallen in love with a narcissist what you are supposed to do, more to the point, what you need to do for yourself, is understand what that actually means. Understand that narcissism in its most extreme forms means that one is not capable of healthy adult love. That means that you are loving someone who just can't love you back.

It's like putting money into a bank account that doesn't give you any interest and in a bank that doesn't even keep the funds you deposit in the account.

In answer to the question as to whether love erodes or implodes in a relationship with a narcissist, person with NPD or BPD or person with a lot of narcissistic traits, the answer is no. Why? Simply because the love that you had hoped for was never really there in the first place.

Part of the by-product of those who have narcissistic traits or NPD or BPD, or both, is that they can often be quite charming. They can pursue and woo in ways that seem to be so loving. However, the narcissist only gives to get. It's somewhat calculated whether the narcissist realizes it or not.

Giving to get means of course that they aren't really giving at all. While a narcissist charms you and lures you into this romantic illusion of love he or she is really taking whatever they can get from you to feed an ego that is so damaged it is often all that drives the narcissist.

Love doesn't really erode or just implode with someone with narcissistic traits, NPD, BPD, or both, love - healthy love - truly does not exist in the company of narcissism.

http://narcissism.typepad.com/my_weblog/2009/03/does-love-erode-in-a-rel...

Feb 9 - 11AM
The Girlfriend ...
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Does Love Erode with a Narcissist? You Bet!

Every time they abuse, lie & cheat...they taint the very meaning of 'love'... What they do has nothing to do with Love at all.
Feb 9 - 11AM (Reply to #23)
rache
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YES! and NO........

OUR love erodes in the relationship,and,like girlfriend said-every lie,every time he cheats,verbally and emotionally abuses you-love cannot survive that over time.IF we weren't in denial because of our WANTING to believe all his BS,and,saw him for what he truely is/was we wouldn't love him at all.UNLESS,we could love a cheater/liar/abuser.The NO,comes in to the fact that HE never loved us in the first place,so,how could his love erode when he had none to offer?So,yes and no.
Feb 9 - 11PM (Reply to #24)
Amy T
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No Love Anymore

My NH can't understand that I don't love him anymore, that it has eroded over all these years. Now I want to leave and he won't let me, he thinks if I just "decide" to love him I can. I have tried too long and can't do it anymore. He says "Go back to your wedding vows." Funny he wasn't willing to do that himself before I wanted to leave. Love erodes a little every day until there is nothing left when you are abused by someone you thought loved you in the beginning.
Feb 10 - 12AM (Reply to #27)
Barbara (not verified)
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Amy T

first he can't love anything... he isn't wired to be able to. he DECIDES how to feel based on what portraying that "feeling" will get him. Period. So of course this Non-Human animal thinks you can decide to love him again. He has no clue and never will. He decides to "love" you the same way he decides what shirt to wear... love is a word that gets him something - not a feeling. He can't feel. ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Feb 10 - 12AM (Reply to #25)
Barbara (not verified)
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Amy T

first he can't love anything... he isn't wired to be able to. he DECIDES how to feel based on what portraying that "feeling" will get him. Period. So of course this Non-Human animal thinks you can decide to love him again. He has no clue and never will. He decides to "love" you the same way he decides what shirt to wear... love is a word that gets him something - not a feeling. He can't feel. ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Feb 10 - 7PM (Reply to #26)
itreallyisabouthim
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So true. They are reptiles.

So true. They are reptiles.
Jan 17 - 1PM
totally confused
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What a great article. It is

What a great article. It is so very clarifying ...
Jan 16 - 5PM
aceonelady
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gives to get

If they give to get why when they get what they want they destroy everything?All the hours they invested on us for what?Mine devalued me without having a new supply now he told me he is skipping around with some people here and there i dont even know what that means!He is the Master of Confusion....

Aceonelady

Jan 16 - 8PM (Reply to #20)
Barbara (not verified)
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aceonelady

control - that's all they want CONTROL they love destroying people - because they ARE NOT HUMAN ~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Jan 16 - 4PM
Barbara (not verified)
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love erodes with a narc

~~~~~~~~~ The truth will set you free... but first it will piss you off - Gloria Steinem Visit My Abuse Website
Jan 16 - 5PM (Reply to #18)
micala
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How long does it usually take for the mask to come off

For the life of me I really cant remember how long it was before the mask comes off. Of course it really came off when I bucked his dream and refused to live in his fame fantasy but I know him for 13 years and I keep thinking back that there must have been some sign of it before the 10 year mark. Jut want to ask others how long after first dating them did they notice something was off? I feel really stupid that I did not see anything until 10 years later and that there had to have been sighns somewhere way before this mark that I missed...thanks

micala

Jan 16 - 5PM (Reply to #17)
micala
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How long does it usually take for the mask to come off

For the life of me I really cant remember how long it was before the mask comes off. Of course it really came off when I bucked his dream and refused to live in his fame fantasy but I know him for 13 years and I keep thinking back that there must have been some sign of it before the 10 year mark. Jut want to ask others how long after first dating them did they notice something was off? I feel really stupid that I did not see anything until 10 years later and that there had to have been sighns somewhere way before this mark that I missed...thanks

micala

Jan 16 - 5PM (Reply to #15)
micala
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How long does it usually take for the mask to come off

For the life of me I really cant remember how long it was before the mask comes off. Of course it really came off when I bucked his dream and refused to live in his fame fantasy but I know him for 13 years and I keep thinking back that there must have been some sign of it before the 10 year mark. Jut want to ask others how long after first dating them did they notice something was off? I feel really stupid that I did not see anything until 10 years later and that there had to have been sighns somewhere way before this mark that I missed...thanks

micala

Feb 10 - 12PM (Reply to #16)
toonice
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Micala

I was married for 23 yrs and did not realize until I dated a N for the last 20 months that my ex husband was also a N. I look back now and the pieces to why I was so unhappy and why things were the way there were all fall into place now. Actually a yr ago had the bf N not said to me "do you think I am a N?" I would have never looked the word up. His ex wife called him that in court in front of the judge I was told. It took me a long time to believe he was and to see the behaviors. But once I did it was so clear that I was nothing to him just the person who did things for him so he could appear greater than he was and others thought he was so smart and capable. seriously my NC and breakup started when he became enraged because I would not write an email for him. You never know when they will explode.
Jul 29 - 5PM
Barbara (not verified)
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lack of desire

the 'sexless-ness' and hostility towards men does GO AWAY. Took mine about 4 years... some takes about 18months (minimum)... its part of THE PTSD. But it does NOT go away without THERAPY. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Articles & information for abuse victims - Updated Daily Online Coaching for Victims of Narcissists/ Psychopaths
Jul 29 - 2PM
Barbara (not verified)
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Ns are impossible to love for very long

SEE TOP POST ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Articles & information for abuse victims - Updated Daily Online Coaching for Victims of Narcissists/ Psychopaths
Jul 29 - 2PM (Reply to #4)
Marie
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<<>> Yes! Not only exhausted

Yes! Not only exhausted but bitter. Any man now that shows any kindness all I think is "oh no not again". I feel like I never want to be in love again with anyone. I fear this happening again and I don't know if I could go through this amount of agony all over. I'd rather be alone. There were so many songs I used to like listening to about love now all they do is annoy. I don't like feeling these things. Where did the love go? It was crushed, hit by the biggest truck in the world. There was no love lost for him but mine was abused and made a mockery of. I regret ever getting involved with him. I had so many misgivings in the beginning but he was so persistent, so helpful, charming, sweet. Now I loathe him. I have finally fully accepted that it was all a fraud, that I've been had, there was no love. That he's a sick individual I don't have any pity for anything he may have suffered in childhood either. After all I came from an abusive home too and don't spend my days calculating how to ruin someone's life or make them feel like dirt. So he'll get no sympathy there. There is no such thing as love with an N. It's all just a charade so they can get what they want and feel good about themselves. If you're involved with one, leave them.
Jul 29 - 4PM (Reply to #5)
finallydone
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Your first paragraph

That is EXACTLY how I feel. I have a wall up so high that I think men actually walk a big circle around me. Some idiotwhistled at me from a car today and instead of feeling flattered.... I just thought "probably a big JERK." I never wanted to be a bitter person. But maybe this is a temporary protective defensiveness that I need right now. It's probably much better than running around looking for another relationship.
Jul 29 - 4PM (Reply to #6)
April (not verified)
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downright hostile

I was practially downright hostile toward any man that showed me attention. Even a typical workman "cat call" would cause me to mouth off, F-you! I had no patience and tolerence for it and I distrusted all seemingly good or nice intentions toward me. Yep, I certainly preferred solitude and you better freakin let me have it was my attitude. You might get hurt if you come closer. It was like a defense of a wounded animal. I growled and snarled. I was scared to death and not only didn't trust men, I didn't trust myself. It was funny, the more I was unavailable, the more they pursued. I just became rude and was certainly bitter. I have never been that way in my life. I swear, one rescuer man was relentless and I was hostile finally in telling him, LEAVE ME ALONE! I had to do that more than once. Anyway, it is okay and it was all part of the process; I simply couldn't do men and am still single. I will know when you time is right and so will you.
Jul 29 - 10PM (Reply to #12)
Marie
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One day

I have those days or moments when I still feel bitter. Was having one this morning when I posted. I know eventually I will get passed these feelings, that I can't condemn everyone for this SOB. This is all part of the healing phase because I'm not ready. And true better to be angry then jump into another relationship that right now would only crash and burn. These are my feelings for the moment because to say I will never fall in love again is a lie. It goes against who I am. I love the feeling of being in love, to give to someone else, to share. That was another big problem with him. We'd make these great plans for weekends or even day trips. I'd imagine what it would be like when we got there, what we'd do. None of it ever happened. Promises and dreams continually broken. Someone had mentioned to be away from their N was painful but painful to be with him too; it was the same for me. I think it was you April that mentioned the more you wanted something the more likely it was he wouldn't do it. I found this to be true also with mine. Where he once spread sunshine into my days, he was becoming more of a black cloud. He began more and more putting a damper on everything I'd bring up. Now that it's been a year, I look back and compare things to where they were the year before when I was still with him. -I no longer get migraines -able to pay my bills because financially I've become more stable -have more energy -have more time for friends and family (people who really love me) -more time to work at hobbies -don't cry, feel depressed or walk around with dread -have a happy garden (my sanctuary where I go to read, write, paint or daydream) I thought it was the worst time of my life when it ended but deep down know it would be far worse to still be with him. One day I will be fully healed and will love again.
Jul 29 - 6PM (Reply to #7)
tina
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Different Stages of Feelings

During the first several months after N left me, I was so hurt and broken the very thought of getting into another relationship made me physically ill. After a while, my sadness turned to wanting complete revenge on him. I mean I would lay in bed and think of ways to get back at him for not only ripping my heart out but also for embarrassing me in front of friends and family by all the lies he told. I swear to God it was like a HIGH! I wanted to smear his name online, call all the places I had booked him (he is a musician) and cancel his gigs, tell all our friends just how he treated me etc. I was so angry and this was a new feeling for me. I have always been a lay back kind of person. Wow, it felt great. I felt like I wanted to destroy him just as he destroyed me, maybe not by ripping his heart out but by hitting him where it truly hurts..in the pocketbook & his image of a 'nice guy' When I really thought about it, I knew I couldn't do it because then I would have truly sunk to his level and he would have won. He would have completely broke me. Here we are 2 years later and I see where the scars still run deep...I was out of town the last 2 days on a business trip. This particular trip consisted of all men & me. Well, there is one guy in particular I love being around, he has a heart of gold and we've been friends for quite some time now. Mike and I were sitting together at dinner when he asked if I was seeing anyone in particular. My stomach cramped up and I do believe I broke out in a sweat. I said no and he then asked if I was dating at all. Again I said no. He looked right in my eyes and said, "God, he sure did a number on you didn't he?" I had told him nothing about my N. Mike then said "All men are not bad Tina." Mike is right, N sure did do a number on me but even now... Relationships take work and I am scared. You are correct April, when the time is right, we will know it and until then....alone is not so bad :)
Jul 29 - 7PM (Reply to #8)
Barbara (not verified)
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difference - BIG one.

there's a HUGE difference between smearing someone online and telling the truth. I told the truth about Psycho-Boy, and hopefully educated others about his type in the process. http://cyberpathlinks.blogspot.com/2007/06/j-aka-gridney-aka-yidwithlid-aka-sammy.html as did James: http://personality-disorder.blogspot.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Articles & information for abuse victims - Updated Daily Online Coaching for Victims of Narcissists/ Psychopaths
Jul 29 - 7PM (Reply to #9)
laura (not verified)
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Good 4 u

Great job beachcolors u go girlfriend! Barbara while u may b right on the difference between smearing online and being able to show an n's tru colors it is not always easy 2 do, I feel the same the same way as tina and applude her on being true to herself. we cannot stoop to N's level at any cost 4 they must not change the good honest people we r. good job tina. this board has been good 4 me. thank u all because i have far 2 go. please pray i can b strong.
Jul 29 - 9PM (Reply to #11)
tina
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Laura

I'm glad this message board has helped you, it has been a gift to me as well. Go easy on yourself, we all have a long way to go but we can do this one day at a time.
Jul 29 - 8PM (Reply to #10)
Barbara (not verified)
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laura

I have never ever stooped to any N or Ps level. Ever. I have, however, told the truth to fight the smear campaign against myself and my children and to hold them accountable. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Articles & information for abuse victims - Updated Daily Online Coaching for Victims of Narcissists/ Psychopaths
Jun 26 - 11AM
Barbara (not verified)
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love erodes with a narcissist

see top post
Apr 2 - 12PM
cassiemay
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loving the N

Well, thanks for that article, Barbara. I think it just helped me answer some of my own doubts and questions, posted only minutes ago. CM