The Fraidycat's Story

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The Fraidycat's Story

This is my story of what I should be thankful for, was only a 5 month relationship with an N. It is a long post, b/c I’m a detail person and it just comes out as I think it. It helps me to understand if I can figure out the “why” of things. You don’t have to read the whole thing – it is my story though, and maybe it will help others not to fall into the same pit;

For the first time in years, someone paid attention to me in a romantic way; praised things about me others ridiculed or criticized and made me feel desirable as a woman again. I didn't even ask for the compliments, comments, etc., they were free flowing. How refreshing I thought, coming from a background of rejections.

My self esteem was actually back on the rise to what I suspect would have been close to normal just before I met him. It had been quite beaten down from a rough childhood and not so great marriage (not to an N, just to a loser). But I had been working on myself, recovering from co-dependency relationships with my recently deceased father and now moved away brother (both addicts). I had learned to say "no" and "let go" and all of that and had finally stopped dating just about anyone that came along and paid attention to me. I had “raised my standards” so to speak.

I own my own business, 2 of them actually, and my own property. I'm active in my community and well respected in my field, yet I always have that nagging voice telling me I'm not successful enough yet. (Actually, it was my dad’s voice in my head…) Therefore, I knew I still had work to do on my self esteem, but was working through it. But as a woman, I was starting to feel more confident again - despite not having a boyfriend for many years.

I had dated and been in love a few times since the D, about 20 years ago now, but nothing steady for many years and the steady ones ended after 2 - 1 year relationships, and a 4 year relationship. The rest were just frivolous dating go nowhere relationships. Of the 3 serious ones, the first one was with an N, but I didn’t know it at the time. I actually ended it b/c he wanted to be surrounded by women all the time and I refused to be part of a harem. (I was wise for my years apparently as I was only in my early 20’s and he was my first real relationship after my divorce.) The other 2 came several years apart and neither of them were N’s. One was, however, a recovering but back-sliding alcoholic.

I often struggled with personal self esteem as well as professionally, b/c I'm often complimented on many levels, yet I hadn't a love life to speak of in years. I could never figure out why things never seemed to last/work out. (well, hindsight is 20/20, but at the time, it was certainly a "something wrong with me" problem - I just knew it was something wrong with me, right?)

Anyway, I was minding my own business, taking care of business, and this guy happened to see my profile pic on f/b, although I have a private profile, I must have commented on something he saw or it was one of those random "people you might know" things. Anyway, weeks after we started dating, he said that I had a rather unique photo of me and it caught his eye. He had sent a friend request and thinking it might be spam, I inquired who he was and did we know each other? I am out in the public a lot and apologized if I didn't recall meeting him. (his profile was sparse, less than 100 friends, only a few pics and was publicly viewable. He seemed to have a good job, for what you can believe I suppose, and nothing showed me any red flags.)

His reply to my making sure "he wasn't spam", left me laughing out loud, literally. If you can make me laugh, you have me. My weakness is humor I guess. I take things in life so seriously that someone who can make me lighten up is a breath of fresh air.

I friended him, however, there wasn't any contact or convo for quite some time. I'd see his updates, mostly just about sports or the weather or silliness. Again, nothing telling of trouble - to me anyway. I had no reason for alarm anyway, not to someone who had only just heard of N about a year beforehand and never had the understanding or explanation I have now.

Something started up an online chat convo one day between us, a common interest in a local eatery I think, and the rest, as they say, is history. He met me for a film, we hit it off. Thanksgiving was our first "date" I guess, it was certainly our first kiss. He called the next day thanking me for dinner and asking to see me again that weekend. We had brunch Sunday and went to look at "lakefront property" he was thinking of buying (trying to impress me?) and he had me in stitches the whole afternoon. His account of his childhood, somewhat tragic turned unbelievable, was described in such a way we both laughed about it. I was sore the next day from laughing so hard. He seemed fun, light and not really looking for something serious, just a companion. I was busy, he was busy we talked about weekend dates, maybe during the week sometimes. It seemed like the perfect situation. He wasn’t looking for a wife, and I didn’t have time for a full time b/f, much less a husband.

We'd go see a film midweek, dinner on the weekend. Things started innocently enough it seemed. He'd email or "chat" in the am before I left my computer for work. (I work outside) and at lunch we'd catch up and he'd call in the evenings. This was exactly what I never got from past b/f's, so I ate it up.

He took me to his office Xmas party – which I took as an important step. His “partner” (to this day I’m not sure if he’s actually a partner or a paid employee), invited us to their mansion of a house, supposedly to “meet me and get to know me better”. I felt like I had been accepted by everyone and things were looking and feeling right. He had declined to come in that night, even though sparks were flying. The next morning, he called me early to invite me over to his house to finish what we started. Very seductive, very luring. Again, playing right in to what I had been longing for, for years. Nothing seemed awry, nothing strange. He was a gentleman and we had a nice rest of the day together. Things seemed fine. I was having so much fun with him. We played and laughed and just had so much fun together. Had similar tastes in film, music and liked to try new things, too. I thought I had finally found the perfect adult relationship – like a playmate, yet monogamous, he was adamant about that. He liked to show me off, commenting how he saw other men “checking me out” and he liked that. He really didn’t seem to demand anything from me, we both had lives outside of each other, etc., (again, not other mates, just friends and work), but knew our weekends were pretty much a standing date from Saturday night through Sunday afternoon. It was great! I was never so happy. Truly, it was the best time I had had in years. I had no idea really he was an N, just a bit silly.

However, along the way, and especially looking back, I now recognize what should have been warning signs, however, like I said, I had no idea what an N was so to me they were just quirks in his personality. However, as I’ve delved into this, it turns out my father was a poster child for N. Probably why I gravitated toward that personality.

Some 20/20 signs;
Trouble started out when he got a puppy, and would scream at it - which caused me to shudder. It scared me but I knew he had the patience of a gnat – couldn’t understand why he got a puppy instead of an older dog, but he never hurt the animal so I tried not to let it bother me. After all, he was not yelling at me…. Right?

He had been telling me since we started dating he was going to buy me this and buy me that for Xmas. I thoughtfully selected something for him, based on things about him I had gleaned, and he was very appreciative and even f/b’d about it. He gave me an unwrapped gift – ½ of what he said, he was going to give me the rest later – later never came….
He cancelled our NYE plans after telling me he wasn’t feeling good – and I ended up cooking us dinner and spending a leisurely evening at his place much disappointed as I thought we were going to get all dressed up and go “out” .

He changed the reservations for my birthday dinner at the last minute to a different restaurant. Then, once we got there, he ordered my meal for me. It seemed sort of odd, but I blew it off. I knew he had a strange, quirky personality, but it didn’t (yet) send up the N flag. (even had I known what it was, I was probably too close to see yet.)

After I got sick, from food poisoning a few months later, and was down and out for 2 weeks, things really seemed to change. He checked on me every day, several times a day. But when he came to bring me some food, he acted like I had the plague. Then, our midweek dates stopped.

One night out of the blue, I called to see if he was around – I was in his neighborhood and thought he’d like some fun company. (My ability to feel so free with him, was probably the one thing I liked so much. My ex husband had rejected me physically due to emotional issues he had, but it left me scarred. This guy’s sexual ways played into my need to be needed as a woman.) He was open to me coming by – but then, “it” happened.

There was trouble brewing in the bedroom. On his part, that is. He was always so proud of all of his conquests from his younger days – though said he now desired only to have 1 woman in his life at a time b/c it was too much trouble otherwise. He would talk, often in detail, about past g/f’s with such pride. (yes, this made me uncomfortable, but now having seen his temper at the puppy dog, I was afraid to “upset” him and have him yell at me like the dog – who he had now returned ,by the way, back to the rescue people, supposedly b/c he felt guilty leaving him in a crate so much. Would he “return” me, too?)

So when things fizzled for him in the bedroom, he became extremely upset. Cussing and storming around the room. I didn’t know what to make of it. The ED or the temper tantrum. I suspected it was stress, or his 49th bday coming up, or tired, etc. I'm still not sure what it was, but it happened more than this once and he would get very mad when there wasn't a good ending for him. Sex was becoming awkward at best, yet it was still attention – which I craved.

However, the growing strain from this issue, brought about some other side of him. I suspected that something was wrong but didn't know how to approach it. I didn’t hardly ever initiate sex anymore not knowing if it was going to be a good time for him or not. He started getting more irritable with me over nothing. Unpredictable mood swings. He’d cancel our standing plans for a weekend. Started acting more unstable. (this is about 3 months into it)

One of the other odd things, he had been looking at homes ever since we started dating. He supposedly was going to buy this one – but the deal fell through. Or that one, the owner wouldn’t give in on price. Then that one, something with the builder. There were at least a dozen properties in the 5 months we dated. Again, did he just have a problem making decisions?

I orchestrated a surprise birthday party for him with his “partner’s” wife and his office’s manager. She always made it clear she didn’t work “for” him. I found this a bit odd, if he was indeed a “partner”, but again, blew it off. I had the hardest time finding one of his friends, whom he talked about all of the time. Went golfing with and to ball games with. I found 2 of his friends, and neither of them knew this third person either. The office manager even scrolled through the cell phone and couldn’t find him. THIS was a red flag. However, others had heard of him in conversations, just not met him. He was supposedly an attorney and I figured he just wanted his privacy.

So we had the party but instead of hamming it up as the center of attention, like I thought he’d do, he seemed taken aback. He was humbled almost. Uncomfortable that I’d gone through so much trouble? But he was sweet and offered for me to spend the night instead of driving back home so late. Again, I was afraid to initiate anything even though he had made a comment to one of his friends that “she’ll be busy later”, this was my old fears cropping up – and nothing happened. I was feeling the old rejection pangs from my marriage all over again.

One time when we were being physical, he said it just wasn’t working for him. That something was wrong with ME physically. Now, I am a tiny person. and he was rather well off in that department. So when he said I had no muscle down there – I was horrified. Here I thought I had finally found someone who liked sex as much as me, who wasn’t afraid of my advances, (back when I wasn’t worried about his performance issues), and now I wasn’t compatible with him anymore? That I had somehow ruined myself? (I’ve never had any kids and though my work is physical, it’s not like I should be “out of shape” (so to speak).)

Well, this is where the trait of “getting you to question yourself” part must have come in. I do very physical work and the possibility of damaging my core was a viable possibility. How could I know it wasn’t me unless I went to a doctor? So I did go to a physical therapist friend of mine, she gave me core exercises to do but said she doubted it was me. (she was much wiser than I was.) I even bought an apparatus to strengthen myself. (not a bad thing, considering my livelihood, but I didn’t really need it for the reason he had given.)

So we’d had no sex for weeks – I was “getting myself back into shape”. I was ready. I had been using that contraption and seen progress and was excited to “show him the new me!” Then he had a new problem, so still no sex. (he said he had chaffed himself on a new pair of gym shorts? Yes, that sounded strange to me, but I was scared to challenge him.) I was heartbroken b/c sex was always so important to him – and it made me feel special, b/c of my past history with rejection. So it was, and still is, painful to be rejected by someone who had previously been so “crazy about me” in a physical way.

My mom was coming to town soon. He was all over that – we’ll take her to a nice dinner for her birthday, sure!

It was so confusing. We were supposed to have gone out of town the weekend of Memorial Day and he almost broke our standing date altogether saying he thought I was supposed to be spending it with my mom – even though I was VERY clear to him her arrival date was AFTER our trip was planned, BECAUSE we were going to be out of town. Well, there was not ever going to be a trip I guess. (he often talked of things he did with exes, so I had no reason to suspect we wouldn’t do things, too.)

He broke up with me, that weekend, right before she was to arrive. The weekend he supposedly chaffed himself. His reason? I’m still not sure exactly, but he had some excuse that still doesn’t make sense.

After another sexless night, I woke up to him being awake already. He said he’d never slept so badly in his life. Why, I asked? What was wrong? He threw up his hands and said that “this” just wasn’t working for him. “us”. It wasn’t going to work out. He was sorry, but it just wasn’t going to work.

I was crushed and even as I type this, it makes me cry again. Rejection – again. And this time from someone who I had so much fun with, was so happy with. He had been like a big playmate. We joked, went to movies, ate out, and laughed constantly (most of the time). How could he be breaking up with me? I had not had so much fun, ever that I could remember. We only saw each other once a week, as agreed, and I was fine with that, really, so there is no way for him to have gotten “too much of me”. He was the one who always called and initiated most of the contact.

I had always done everything he said he wanted, b/c it seemed we both wanted the same things most of the time. I enjoyed dressing up sexier that I would normally do on my own, and he seemed to appreciate the woman part of me. I felt like my whole world was falling apart now. And yes, we had some tense times, he had a strange and quirky temper, but the good times were still more than the bad times in my head. I just learned to blow off his strangenesses and enjoy the fun times. Wasn’t this what he told me to do? Not to worry when he got upset for seemingly no reason at all. Was I to blow this off, too? Well, it had struck too deep in my self confidence, tore open that old rejection wound. I was a basket case inside, though tried to hold it together on the outside. I went to the bathroom and cried. When I came back out he was sitting on the couch and said he really, really liked me, I was a lot of fun, a wonderful, beautiful woman, BUT, he didn’t have feelings for me like he thought he should have towards a girlfriend. WHAT? WTH did that mean? I ran though the “was it this? Is it that?” And he just kept saying no, it wasn’t me it was him. I have read the stories about women married in abusive decades long relationships, and I’m lucky he is the one who ended it I guess. Though, it rubs salt in the rejection wound, that why this N didn’t want me. I was fine with the craziness b/c we only saw each other on the weekends really. I hadn’t felt the full effect of N I suppose. But, the more I read, the more I see he was N – text book. Yet, it hasn’t made the pain go away. The pain from being rejected as a woman. Again.

So going forward, I sunk into a deep, deep depression, of which I still struggle with. I question everything about myself. Wasn’t I good in bed? He seemed satisfied – until he started having issues. (though, again, looking back, he was even strange tempered in the bedroom at times. Very methodical and very particular getting upset if I didn’t touch him a very specific way and seem to KNOW what that was supposed to be.) Wasn’t I attractive to him –he had always called me “sexy” as a pet name, and told me how “hot” I looked, etc. (the past 2 months, that had settled down. I thought it was normal, honeymoon time wearing off. But he always told me I looked nice and even would comment on a “hot” look or whatever, just not as much.)

I questioned every single thing that came into my mind. I drove myself crazy. My work suffered, my health suffered (mental and physical), I was nearly suicidal, b/c I had been so happy – it seemed like the exact arrangement I had been waiting for and wanted for this time in my life. And how could someone who made me laugh so hard, now be making me cry so hard?

Yes, there were other tell tale signs and I see them now. But it still doesn’t take all of this pain away. It still doesn’t take away the loneliness. It still doesn’t explain the “why” he had a 9 year relationship before me, and dated all of these others and yet ME, I wasn’t turning him on in the bedroom suddenly. Had I lost my edge? Had I become too passive b/c of my past? Surely we could work those things out? I didn’t beg or anything. He said he wanted to stay friends, b/c we had so much fun together. He promised me a couple of things he was going to be getting rid of when he moved would still be mine. But yes, that I should probably take my personal things home (that day). I was crushed.

I’m still upset, even though, looking at everything, I can see that eventually, I probably would have been the one to walk away b/c of his up and down personality. I don’t take too well to being yelled at, and a few times he had gotten upset with me for nothing.

It is almost as if he knew he was going to screw things up and he wanted to spare me? I don’t know. That would mean he had a conscience, and from everything I’ve read, and I’ve read a ton this summer, he should have just kept using me till someone else came along or whatever. But he broke up with me, as if to spare me from himself?

So, now, I still struggle with many things, depression, feeling sorry for him b/c of the childhood that surely created this personality disorder, feeling sorry for myself b/c I lost the most fun playmate I’d ever had, loneliness and fear of ever being able to trust my judgment in men again. And that is probably one of the hardest things, not being able to trust myself.

I know this is long, but Lisa says to “get it out” and I’m a journal writer since I was young so the words flow from my fingers. Sorry if it got too detailed, but it all plays into the things I read about N’s as far as sexual conquests, blaming the other partner for their deficiencies, etc. And like I say, and remind myself, even though we were only together on the weekends, the empty promises, the constant bragging about past g/f’s, his mood swings, the tension in the bedroom - which was to me, one of the coolest parts of our relationship b/c of my past rejections there – it all would have added up I suppose and if he hadn’t broken up with me, for whatever reason, I guess it would have either fallen apart or he’d have started some of these other N tendencies and it would or could have gotten worse. So, while I should be grateful, I’m still hurting. It seems like even though it was several months ago, he will now and then drop me a note about something, a pic of the puppy, now a dog, that the new owners sent him. A good luck wish for an event I was holding – we have a mutual friend or two, so he must have heard about it – and even a sympathetic note upon the loss of a pet. WTH? It’s like I can’t be mad at him! I just want him to be a jerk so I can move on. But I honestly, want his approval again? What the hell is wrong with me?

Yes, I’m reading a book, it’s like a self therapy book. And I thought I was so much stronger than he has revealed I am. I fall apart in the middle of the day for no apparently reason – other than I start thinking about the fun turned chaos we had. It is so confusing. And so painful. You all on here are so supportive of each other, and I know my pain is no worse than yours. I hate that these people are out there hurting us. Half of me is thankful he broke up with me – while the other half is in turmoil from the rejection. Maybe if I was a stronger person on that front, it wouldn’t matter so much to me. I could brush off this loser and move on. (He was successful, but his personality is crazy and unpredictable!) The old co-dependency traits keep trying to rear their ugly heads – even wrote a letter asking him to come to therapy with me – (Never sent it) - hoping he’d get help and we could be together since he said he liked me so much and just couldn’t understand why he couldn’t “feel for me the way….” Blah blah – it is like a looping recording and I can’t shut it off!

I listen to nothing but talk radio or classical music – b/c songs just make me cry. I practically work myself to death – can’t eat right, too depressed to cook much of the time. I need to pull myself up out of this – he is just one person on this planet. Why does he have such an impact on me?

Ok – I’ve got to get out of my pj’s and get to work. Yes, that is what keeps me sane, sort of. People rely on me and they do appreciate me – isn’t that what we all want? If our stories can help just one young woman not have to go through all of this – our pain may be justified. Lisa, you need to get these stories out. I was in my 40’s before I had ever heard the N word! Unless they start branding capital N’s on their foreheads, we have to let unsuspecting women know what the red flag warning signs are.

Feb 12 - 7PM
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Moving Forward - finally coming out of the dark.

After 8 months out of a 5 month tailspin, I finally feel like I'm wrapping my mind around this whole N thing; learned more about myself than I ever knew there was to know, continue improving my outlook, appreciating my strengths that used to be seen as weaknesses by my N anyway, and embracing my actual weaknesses and seeing the positive in them. They are part of who I am. And those who love me, love me in spite of, and because of, them. They make me real. They make us all who we are. And we are awesome! I've read the internet night after night till my eyes burned. I've been working through several "self help" books - my fave is Reinventing Your Life. It's like a therapy session with every read. I have a weekly appt with my book and me. :) I've been treating myself with kid gloves. No music that triggered anything sad. Classical music is really beautiful and had no ties to anything but my childhood days in band. It was safe and I have enjoyed reliving it. Why torture myself with lyrics of pop music? I stay away from what "we" did, where "we" went and have returned to only those places I have been going to before "we" were. I've not run into him yet. I take pride in my looks again, yet I'm not freaking out if I am not "perfect" for "him". I am human, and my real friends, don't really give a rip if I have on lipstick. LOL (even though I am pretty vain, and rarely go out without it.) I spent countless hours on here reading everyone's stories and crying and (trying) to offer my support to others hurting, too. It's been an important part of my recovery. Lisa and all of you wonderful moderators - you have been a true blessing. A life line. I found myself on here less and less b/c it meant focusing on "him" too much. I didn't count the days of NC, b/c it meant giving him too much of my energy. The days just passed..... I have such loving friends here on the outside, too, and I have so come to appreciate them deeply. Without them constantly checking on me, I'd surely have tossed myself in front of a moving truck. Trust me, I came close to wondering who'd miss me if I veered off the road into the water on more than one occasion. Scared myself. Gradually, the tears were less frequent. And then less sporadic and only came when triggered by something specific - usually frustration with a problem I was having and feeling alone in solving or fixing it. No, not that my ex N would have helped me anyway - and, I slowly started to see that I wasn't really missing anything. Not anything that really added to my life in a meaningful way anyway. I began to realize, I didn't miss the awkward sex, the walking on eggshells and that I could find other, less crazy, sources of humor - which is what I seemed to miss the most from him, he could make me laugh so hard I would cry. I needed to lighten up is all - and I didn't need "him" to do that. I needed to learn to do that for myself. No, it didn't happen overnight - and I occasionally still see traces of him. Be it my "parting gifts" of a lawnmower, warm down coat, grill or gate he gave me, or his mention on a mutual friend's f/b thread. He rarely comments after me, or vice versa. I've moved on. It's working - I'm NC for a long time on my end. He has been an occasional customer of mine and the last delivery to his house a few weeks ago, he was not there = I made sure of that - was difficult, but freeing in a way. As I drove off with tears in my eyes, I also felt like I shut a door. I don't think he'll call again for some reason. And if he does, I may find a reason not to fill his order. I'm not the only one he can call. I don't need his business, and he got a deep discount anyway so it's not like I'm missing anything profitable. Acquaintances rallied around the farm for a special work day about two months ago and I felt such love from everyone. People I had never or barely met - working all day to help on a big project for the farm. Coming together to help - me. :) It felt so nice to have genuine people around me. Seeing ourselves through others eyes is so cool. We don't give ourselves enough credit for who we are. At least, I didn't. I was starting to, till he took it from me again anyway when he dumped me. About a month after the event, one of those people showed up one afternoon, out of the blue, as I was re-roofing one of my outbuildings. Interestingly, I had been crying/praying/wondering if I'd ever find someone to be a part of my life who would not either try to take over my life or totally not care about me at all. Having a pity party you could say - but I had snapped myself out of it and reminded myself that probably not many women I knew would even have tackled what I was doing, much less stuck to it through the adversities I have. I was doing it on my own and doing just fine. And then, through the gate, as if the Universe had heard me, here 'he" came. My jaw almost dropped at the timing. I'd barely wiped the tears from my eyes when I heard the gate clink and looked up to see him. He was in the neighborhood and had been meaning to stop by to see how things were coming b/c he knew I was always doing something or another out here that I could use help with. Afterall, I live on a farm by myself, who can't use some help on a farm? LOL He's the kindest, most giving person next to myself I know. And he asks for nothing in return from anyone he helps. And he helps everyone it seems. Yes, I'm taking it slow. Not even sure I was interested at first, more I was intrigued by him. We spent some time working together the next few days with another friend of mine - who got nothing but good vibes from him. He's a mutual friend of many of my colleagues, too. And I've never heard a negative thing about him. Just never had time to talk to him before the work day a couple months before. Only had met him once before that - and again, he had come to the farm with one of his buddies to help on a fund raiser I was hosting. He admits that he's been interested in me for awhile. I have made a new "special" friend. Taking it slow - but enjoying his peaceful, kind, non-sarcastic, yet still funny, personality. One of you told me they were out here - I'm glad you were right. :) I was talking with a g/f when this all started, and I told her I was a bit afraid I'd stop doing the "work" on myself if I got involved with someone again, but she said she doubted he would interfere with that. He's a bit older than me, and the wisdom he has is so cool. He's "been there done that" and has come to a place where he's happy with who he is. A place I'm slowly getting to - a place I suspect we all weren't really at when we found our N's. I know I wasn't. I'm still learning to appreciate myself all over again. So, I've alerted my 2 main g/f's to keep me honest. ha ha And I'm slowly entering the water - ankle deep, knee deep and we'll see how it feels. If I get scared, I can always turn around. But, before I dive into anything headfirst, I'm also insisting with myself that I not lose myself again in someone else. I have kept my routine with myself. I have a date already planned, with myself and maybe a g/f, for Tuesday - we're calling it Singles Appreciation Day! ;) I have re-watched Eat, Pray, Love and Runaway Bride to remind myself not only of the happy ending, but more importantly, of the work we must do to get healthy and whole again so there can be a happy ending. I am trying not to be so sentimental. Not to get caught up in the media's version of what happy is supposed to look like. I am learning to FEEL what makes ME FEEL good. Happy is a state of mind. I make and keep dates with myself and am working on getting my back paperwork caught up - a symptom/consequence of my depression of the past year. Getting my ducks in a row emotionally as well as practically so I'm not looking for someone to bail me out of trouble. Not a good way to go into anything. But, I must confess, it sure feels nice to have someone call and ask how I am, what I've been up to and if they can come help with anything. (My exN, never offered to come here to help me with anything - and when he offered to send someone else, it was an empty offer.) I've not ever met someone who exuded so much peace, tranquility and love out of their smile either. It's a nice change - and somehow it's familiar. As if I'm going back to a more simple me, before a lot of the pain, lies and broken hearts. Like when we were teenagers and weren't so afraid of people's motives. Just a hug and kiss on the forehead is so tender and loving. No need for pawing at me. No pressure at all. I told him I was a bit skeptical of my timing right now. But that I really enjoyed being around him. He's been ok with that. But, I'm readier than I have been. Than I thought I'd ever be again after my N crushed me and my self esteem into powder on rocks. How I was ever going to regain it, seemed impossible. It's been a LONG road, but I'm coming down the home stretch. And the cool thing - I have NOT shared my history with him! One mistake I have always made - spilling my guts about every heartache, every fear, etc. We covered the ex spouses, basic family background, but nothing in much detail. Just let him know I wasn't in a hurry to rush into anything. Lots going on, etc, not ready to get into something yet, etc. He didn't seem hurt or put back. Nice. I am posting this testimony as a sign of hope to those who may be behind me in the pain, coming through the darkest of the nights and fearful they will never be able to love again. You will. My journey has not been with the same N - but a series of them over my entire dating/marriage/post marriage dating history. It took this last one to cut the knife so deep, I stepped back to see wth I was doing wrong - I wasn't doing anything wrong, cept trying to re-create a relationship with my N father, now deceased, and make it work. I have had to come to accept my father for his shortcomings and let it go so I could move forward. With a balloon, on NYE, I set all of that free. And you know what, about the time this man showed up, I found that balloon, or another blue one anyway, in my driveway. It was almost as if my dad sent it back or something. Read into it what you will - it was meaningful to me anyway. It helped close that door of resentment. And let me just add, that this man is NOTHING like my exN was - nothing like any of my ex's or my father were, which is probably why I wasn't sure I was attracted to him. The dynamics were so different. Yet honestly, he's a lot like I am. A lot like most of us are. Kind, empathetic, sweet, generous, loving. We deserve this ladies. We shouldn't have to perform to be loved. We should just be able to be us - who we are, scars warts and all. We just (me anyway) have to figure out who that is and embrace her. love to you all - wish me luck! ;)
Jan 13 - 7PM
fraidythecat
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Stuck

I am feeling like I'm on a roller coaster ride.... I have had such fun this week when I'm out with friends - but soon as I get home alone, I'm zoned out and sad/depressed. I'm hoping it's just hormones or something but I can't seem to get much done and I just feel like a zombie. It's been 8 months - I've read this forum and other stories/articles till my eyes burn and I seem to be able to see the wisdom for others - but why do I keep replaying crap in my head - and is this what is keeping me from truly moving forward? Is this normal? Is this going to pass - soon!? I am waffling back and forth with what I think is progress. I'm staying NC - amazingly - but finally realized it just hurts not to be, and I don't deserve to hurt and why the hell would I want to hurt myself? I have so much work to do yet I can't seem to motivate myself. I just want to sleep again. I thought I was through this part! ugh.
Jan 9 - 9PM
fraidythecat
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Happy birthday to me

I have been trying to be jolly and happy and celebrating a birthday "week" to keep myself occupied and distracted. No, last year my bday wasn't all that great - he changed our reservation a few days beforehand to a place I really wasn't that crazy about trying. But, I did get to wear my new outfit "for him" and he strutted me around the mall before we ate - it made me feel good to be shown off, I guess. I'd been in several relationships where we rarely ever went out as if I was not good enough to be seen with or something. (again, I guess this was something I led on to and he keyed in to it. AND, I have read, narcs like to have trophies.) But then he ordered my dinner FOR me - hello? Controlling I guess - but like the temper tantrums at the puppy, I blew this off. So why then am I having such a hard time with this bday? I guess b/c I've been divorced 20 years now and I'm still without someone to call my own - or more likely, someone to call me theirs. Don't we all just want to feel cherished? How is it some people find 2, 3, 4 or more to marry and I have only managed to find one - a loser - and no one else to really stick it out more than a year or so unless I really put up with a bunch of crap (and I did on one or two occasions). Where the heck are the "normal" men and what do they look like? I am not sure I would recognize "healthy". The confident man who takes care of himself - that is what I am attracted to.... am I then doomed to be alone as they are all n's? I suppose this is my fear - approaching the end of my mid 40's and single is NOT at all how I ever envisioned my life. I seem to be able to see the logic in others lives/stories, but mine feels so desperately lonely. I have no kids - but yes, I have a farm that is full of critters and plants and families that rely on me for a lot of things. But no man. Who wants one - one of my g/f used to say all the time - an N herself actually. I do, I want one - maybe to make up for my father or maybe b/c I'm just wired to have a companion. Whatever it is, I have to either figure out how to distract myself so I get out of this depression and get back to living and being productive, or I have to find a way to accept that I'm just not going to find someone and learn to live with it. I don't want to be bitter or angry at "men" - I like men! LOL But I also don't want to end up a doormat, either. There HAS to be a healthy alternative! Trying to keep up the smile - fake it till you make it, isn't that the saying..... I'm sure I'm rambling - just "getting it out" and off my chest so I will hopefully not cry myself to sleep the night before my birthday. I will survive - I will come out of this better than before - I have to. I'm too young to curl up and die.
Jan 9 - 9PM (Reply to #21)
Hunter
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Happy Birthday.. Hunter

Happy Birthday.. Hunter
Jan 9 - 9PM (Reply to #22)
fraidythecat
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I'm trying

to have one. :) Thanks, Hunter. Love the new profile pic, btw. LOL
Dec 31 - 8AM
fraidythecat
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Happy New Near to ME!

Well, several things didn't quite turn out like I had hoped in 2011, heck in the last few years, most of which I had no control over, so maybe it was a lesson in acceptance. And, at least I no longer have to walk on eggshells every weekend, afraid to be left on the side of the road for something I say out of jest that is taken the wrong way at the moment; wonder if what someone, (that I am supposed to be able to trust), says is true, ever happened, or is really going to happen - ever; stand in shock at some outlandish and often vulgar/insulting remark directed either at me or about someone they supposedly like/are friends with; be the brunt of a temper tantrum that was provoked by nothing in particular but anything in general almost causing me to fear for my safety or that/whom at which the outburst was directed at; or concern myself with whether or not I'm going to be yesterday's news at the drop of a hat, which was the pattern, I only wish I had known. It was fun sometimes - while it lasted and for the gift of learning to laugh like a child again, I'm grateful and hope to never forget how to do that again - I take life way too seriously b/c of a lot of things. And it's too bad there wasn't more of that and less of the whacko stuff, but it was bound to end anyway, I'm sure. At least I did get a few nice "parting gifts". LOL But now I'm focusing on ME and then, I'm moving up and on to bigger and better - not to mention, mentally stable. Because I'm worth it! (we all are worth way more than most of us have given ourselves credit for, or our parents/siblings/ex's told us we were - that's been one of my greatest discoveries!) Thankful for this forum, to the moderators for putting up with my whining, endless rehashing of the stories as I painfully and personally learned the definition of what surely is the word of my lifetime - narcissism, and helping me to realize so much good stuff that I miss about the rest of my life while worrying about one person, who in the big picture, didn't really worry much about me/my life anyway. I've got to stop finding my dates in the center of the universe! ha ha I really love knowing you guys! Let's make next year even better than any of us imagined! Live, Love and Laugh! fc
Dec 10 - 8PM
fraidythecat
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Relapse

I've been doing so well - not checking his f/b page, there's been no contact for I guess 2 weeks. Then tonight, just innocently checking past news on f/b, he was tagged with someone else I know.... at the company dinner party, where he took me last year.... and was so proud of me, and told me all kinds of things I ate up... and yet, as I said in my story, he didn't come in, said he'd call me. And he did the next AM and invited me to come finish what we had started... I know in my head - HE IS NUTS!! But why can't I keep the memory of the good stuff, or what seemed like it, from creeping back in and depressing me all over again? I have so much good stuff going on in my life right now? Why does ONE MAN have so much influence on my mind? He wasn't worth it - I KNOW this... what kind of brainwashing is this? He broke up with ME!! After telling me I was everything no one had told me I was in years, if ever. I'm still so confused sometimes. Thank Goodness for this site as I come back and re-read your posts and new ones, too. It's comforting in a strange way to see "it's not just me", but it's still so hurtful. There are things he gave me, a nice warm down coat, that I wear around the farm - I needed one, shame I didn't ever invest in one for myself. But that doesn't seem to bother me anymore, wearing it. But seeing his name tonight, set me off. I did manage to stop myself from going too far emotionally, only cried for a few moments and set myself to a task, but when, oh when will I be able to see his name, or whatever, and not have it affect me? Bless us all tonight - where ever we are in our recovery. fc
Dec 5 - 9AM
fraidythecat
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Holidays

Well, I made it through Thanksgiving - that was our first real "date" and the start of what I thought was a good thing. I think it's going to get easier from here forward if I can keep focusing on the flip flopping that occurred almost every week following that one. Going to a friend's party and was going to join me in costume - nope, didn't happen. He came, but wasn't much fun. (very unusual) Was supposed to help him house watch - nope - decided I shouldn't stay overnight afterall and acted very distant. THIS was my first red-flag and I even have it recorded in my journal from last year. Will re-read.... again. And then began the endless open ended unfulfilled promises of gifts, getaways and such. So, by focusing not on the fun we did have, but the emptiness that predominated things from the 2nd week on - and remembering NOT to accept that kind of behavior ever again - I deserve more - I think I can make it through the holidays on my own. Lord knows I have done it more years than not. So it shouldn't be any worse than it was before I met the nutcase. Right? I hope not to spend too many tears at sappy radio commercials (I don't even go near the tv this time of year), and instead submerge myself in my girlfriends, farm and positive growth for the new year. Thankful for all of you on here that have been so helpful, open and honest with all of your advice and story sharing. It is my past that made this so much harder to recognize - I have to learn to appreciate myself so when someone else does, I say to myself, "why yes, I am so and so"! :) Instead of eating it up like an attention starved child. (which is what I was - and a starved young woman and middle aged woman) Someone said one day on their f/b "When people show you who you are, believe them." Maya Angelou And forget all of the naysayers we had telling us otherwise our whole lives. Why we let the negative people influence us more than those who recognize our positives, is a mystery. Also, wanted to share a great book with you all called "Reinventing Your Life" http://www.schematherapy.com/id202.htm I strongly suggest it. I can't afford therapy right now, but I've been in and out of it much of my life, and this is quite like a therapy session if you work it that way. It does help if you have someone to work it with, but don't let that stop you from reading it and doing some of the work yourself. Just like Lisa says, understanding is important - and understanding ourselves is the most important of all! Love to you guys! And here's to a healthy week!
Nov 27 - 5PM
Hope
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Things to do for yourself to help with depression...

Hi Fraidy, I'm very sorry you were Narced. I had to post to tell you I found yoga very, very, helpful. If you don't have a lot of money maybe you can take out a tape/DVD at the library and do it in your house. Maybe there is a YMCA in your area...yoga, helps because you do lots of deep breathing and that brings in lots of oxygen which relaxes the muscles and the meditation helps your mind. Yoga saved my life in the beginning. It is so difficult in the beginning, I don't know how I got through it, keep pushing yourself however and with time you will start to feel better. Keep writing that helps get it out too. When I had a hard time sleeping I took melatonin, I don't take that however anymore. I did get physically sick with severe menstrual periods and needed a D&C, this I know was direct result from the shock I was in, which I'm sure you are experiencing too, shock and trauma. I was with mine for 2.4 years and yes we spent every weekend together. It's been 18 months for me now, the pain is much better, and I'm finally getting some real closure. I suspect you were also too strong for him as well, you sound confident and like me, a self-made women, we are a challenge and N's don't like to work very hard they like easy door mat type targets, remember it's not you it's him. Take care, lots of love. Hope.
Nov 27 - 6PM (Reply to #16)
fraidythecat
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Yoga

Thank you, Hope. I did actually buy myself a yoga dvd! It's good to know I'm on the right track. I know I'm way ahead of where I was even just a month ago. I am usually a very strong person - been through tons of crap with family, making it on my own for the past 20 years and run a farm business alone. I guess I need to hear what others are saying when they tell me I'm amazing/strong/awesome. Why do we need to hear it again from the ones who won't tell us anymore? I feel so crazy sometimes. Trying to learn to take my thoughts captive before they send me off the deep end. Not crying as often, and FINALLY after about 2 months, I sleep through the night most of the time. I used kava kava. It's amazing how much of an impact on us another person can have - and how much power our minds have over us - when we let them. I'm sure sorry you had to go through what all you did, too. I feel like running up and down the street in front of his house and where he works screaming a warning. Or posting a sign on his house and tattooing his forehead. There has to be an early warning system for other women! Oddly, I don't think he's dating again now, not from his f/b posts anyway. (I am weaning myself off looking...he unfriended me, for no good reason, if you can believe that, and I know it's best, but at the time a couple of months ago, it was yet another blow. He ended it with wanting to be friends, and then he did that and it crushed me.) It's almost as if he knew how much damage he did to me. In fact, he even commented to that effect back before I started NC'ng and we were still "friends". He gave me all of that stuff he had promised, which I never figured I'd see, and even threw in a few other things he "wasn't going to need when he moved" (supposedly moved). I know he knows he's unstable, he said so often about himself being crazy, but I'm not sure he realized how much damage he does because of it - till he turned me inside out in front of his eyes. Maybe the others didn't let him see them cry or whatever - and the woman before me, was supposedly mean to him (according to a friend of his), and was around 8 or so years on and off. He knows now that is for sure. I tried not to cry, but I fell apart and withdrew into a shell. He knows he hurt me, and when he broke up with me, it was almost as if he was trying to protect me, telling me I deserved someone else. How he was not the right one for me. I know this may be what he wanted me to think, and b/c N's are afraid of getting close, and I was strong AND nice to him, he may have sabotaged it before he got hurt - before I figured him out and dumped him. I don't know how long I would have gone on with the roller coaster. It wasn't wearing me out yet b/c there wasn't a lot of time together I guess. But, before this, I was on my way back to being a lot less tolerant of being mistreated. I will get back there again, and like one of you said, better and stronger (and hotter LOL) than before. I just wish I met more people. I am very isolated and hate internet dating. you can't tell a darn thing that way. So I get scared that I'll end up all alone - and while I may need to be alone for a healing period, I don't have them lined up at the door, regardless of how attractive and what a great catch everyone always tells me I am. The holidays are always incredibly hard when you're single - but at least I don't feel obligated to buy anyone anything! :) I have some amazing friends who've listened to me for 5 months now. Between them, yoga, this forum and all of the past self help I've had that I'm now renewing and reading up on - I will get through this! We all will - and we need to help spread the word to young women everywhere so that this madness stops. Especially the ones who are purposefully abusive and mean! There ought to be a law against mental abuse by N's! And, sad as it may sound, I pray for him - b/c I've seen the sane side, and there's a scared, lonely little boy in there. He knows he'll end up alone - he's just tried to make peace with it I guess. I wish he'd not have latched on to me, that's all I know. We could have just stayed friends and him still made me laugh without him screwing my head up romantically. ok guys - I'm making choc chip cookies tonight. NOT his favorite, oatmeal. MY favorite! :)
Nov 27 - 10AM
neva-again
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So much is similar

I see so much of my situation here in your story. All of the same things...cancellation of plans, b/c sick,tired etc..just so he could be in control. Projecting his actions/feelings onto me...Withholding affection, making you feel invisable. Everything was crazy and unpredictable. His behavior was so cruel, and hurtful. I am soo sorry for the pain you have gone thru.We can only learn from this. The thing that has helped me the most is no contact. I know when I am on here it makes me think about it but I can see clearly what I need to do and on here the support gives me back confidence that there are good people in the world...right here.
Nov 27 - 7AM
Winter
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Fraidythecat

I second everything that the bloggers wrote below. You were cruely narced. I am so sorry for your pain. It seems to me that he did it intentionally, on purpose. Some of them are just like that. They enjoy hurting other. It makes them feel powerful. They are sick and you are out of the sickness now. There is nothing you could have done differently. Please, stay NC, don't check him out on FB. Stay with us and hopefully you will forget him as a nightmare. Love Winter
Nov 26 - 9AM
gingercat
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You poor kid! I read your

You poor kid! I read your story and could share hours of conversation about the tangled mess these guys manage to make out or our lives. It was a painful reminder to me of my early days with the N who I ridiculously stayed around for and eventually married. It has been 15 years of unfolding hell and my life will never, I repeat, never be back to the stage it was when I first met him. I know you probably can not imagine this but the stories are so very similar and it all adds up to one thing......You were a target and had something he desired. Not the kind of desire a person would think of but a productive life with an open, caring personality. You see, they are emotional vacuums and are constantly looking for a way to fill this void. They have coped by becoming actors on a stage and you were just an unwitting character in the play. I will relate some similarities and insight which I hope will make you feel better for today and stronger for tomorrow... My N also had family of origin problems. Mother severely depressed and sent him to the neighbors for dinner. Dad dies of heart attack when N was 15 and the only close male role model dies of same one year later. This was just too much and I know created the monster I ended up spending most of my fourth decade with. But, I was going to fix all of that and make him happy. He had such potential and no one understood but me, blah, blah, blah. When he first started to prey upon me the sex was as you described. He was fulfilling to say the least and I am teeny, tiny. I always felt inadequate and now I realize he with-held sex as a way to control and secure me. The very time he told me it was not going to work out for us and that he just did not love me enough to keep going....I was pregnant with his child. You see, it could be worse. I should add here that we were both over-educated professionals and I had been a dedicated career woman who had already had a successful 20 year marriage and two grown sons (he ruined all of that). I found out as the years unfolded that his professionalism was mostly a sham, his resume nothing but holes and his prior relationships eerily similar to me and all kept on a string. I even think he had gotten at least one of them pregnant and it had ended (he alluded to some such thing while I was sobbing, crying, begging, etc., for him to not leave). I had been totally smitten by this man and had fun times with him that I thought were exactly the things that had been missing in my prior life. Looking back I now easily see that those fun times were very, very short lived. The rest has been me trying to survive, with our son in tow. I want to add something here that may or may not ring true for you since you are still so caught in the whole early stages of Narc-land. I wonder if my N did not have tendencies toward being gay. Almost all of his female cousins are lesbians and he very often made the strangest comments about mens physiques and I really think he may have harbored deep issues around his sexuality. He was not an overtly promiscuous N like so many of them are and is now old and in ill health so the sexual stuff pretty much got side-lined long ago but.....I will always think he grappled with some demon around his sexuality. This made me crazy because he initially was so attentive and slowly, like the chinese torture drip, made me feel less and less desirable. I now wish I had all the $$ I spent on clothes, perfumes, beauty salons, etc., that I thought would make me whatever in the world he needed. Not to mention the holidays (he always ruined them by exactly the same tactic you described) missed birthdays, (he even stopped coming to his own sons birthday parties that I had planned and invited for, etc.) and it was always for amazingly complicated reasons that were absolute BS now that I look back on them. By this time if I dared complain he was so totally in control that I was instantly hosed by the reverse guilt he could throw at me. I had to give up trying to reason with him. I also saw the anger directed at others, like you saw a glimpse of with the puppy. This is a HUGE red flag. At some point that anger will get directed at you, and I guarantee you it would have been, and it is terrifying. I now have to deal with the emotional scars he has heaped on our son for the times he targeted him for his abuse. So....rather than keep on with telling you how much worse your life could have been (I am living proof) I am hoping you will stand up, dust yourself off, stop looking around for this guys shadow that you were trained to adore and get right back into life. Keep up your counseling because my father issues are exactly what led me to the N and you are ahead of the game in understanding how that needs to be addressed. Sorry, must stop writing as this is too long but wanted to help and the day is too short....Hugs and Hugs.
Nov 27 - 8PM (Reply to #12)
fraidythecat
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Hugs

Thank you - I'm emotionally exhausted from trying to figure it all out sometimes. So much of what you write is so much like what I lived through. And the advice is good. He has a lot of gay buddies, whom he hangs out with at sporting events and has professional relationships with. He, no doubt, is trying to re-live the bonding relationship with his father he never had, through these men. He's not sexually gay, but he def needs these men in his life. I've become friendly with one of them, in fact, whom he has recently dissed - after being friends for nearly 20 years with him. My ex is def mixed up on many fronts. It's kind of sad - b/c he has such a great sense of humor and we had so much fun. It's too bad we didn't just stay friends and got tangled up romantically, b/c I sure didn't need to step backwards and he, I don't think, really set out to hurt me. Otherwise, he could have just kept using me till someone else came along - he even said words to that effect. (that he DIDN'T want to keep using me for sex, and have someone else he was more interested in come along) Whatever it is, the more I read, and the more I realize that I was probably spared a lot more grief, the better I'll get. The crying fits get shorter - and further apart. Eventually, the sane person who still resides in my head somewhere, will come out again. ;) Peace to you all - we'll come out on the other side. Sadly for them, they won't likely ever change, or ever know real feelings. I could live without feeling pain again, but I love feeling true joy, happiness and love.
Nov 26 - 9PM (Reply to #11)
fraidythecat
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Discarded

I know it sounds stupid, even sick, but the hardest part of this is that he dumped me so quickly, feeding my insecurity of being undesirable. It's almost as if I wish he'd have shown more of his true colors so I could have had some reason to NOT want to be around him. Maybe it's b/c we were only together on the weekends that I didn't see the full spectrum - yet. And why oh why he broke it off, I guess I won't ever know. Did he feel like I was catching on to him? Did he really not feel attracted to me anymore, and if so, was it b/c I lost my spunk due to being intimidated by him? I d/k the answers. All I know, is I feel ugly, undesirable, lost and hurt - again. It's like when my father used to humiliate me; my ex husband reject me physically and demean me, though he wasn't really an N, just a loser (weak personality, dope head) and 2 of my past b/f, one serious, one not, would do the hit and run routine. The last one, I got to where I just used him for the same thing he used me for and somehow I managed to turn off my emotions for him. But I got tired of not having my calls returned. The first one, was right after my divorce and wow - I actually left him! (and, he didn't come after me, like most of these women's stories.) It's odd how they can be an N yet there are various ends to the stories. D&D'd after only 5months - makes me feel more insecure than if he'd wanted to keep me around. I'm sure all of this will get better/clearer as I continue to read. And again, I should be ever so glad I didn't lose more time. He was "fixed" so there was no risk there, thankfully. and I'm so sorry you were left with a child. He claimed to have had a very high profile occupation prior to moving here, and that he was now a partner in this office. Now I find myself questioning everything he has said - and wondering if I found out more was a lie, if it would help me believe he was more N than I already feel like I think he is. The PT article was pretty close on a lot of fronts. but it left me feeling sorry for him. Am I sick or what? Thank you for the note - it's been a long weekend. I keep trying to distract myself - I have so much to catch up on. Paperwork, housework, self work. Depression is a bitch.
Nov 25 - 12PM
Hunter
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You were narced my friend.. 5

You were narced my friend.. 5 months or 5 years damage is damage.. This guy sounds like a real freak.. I bet he has mommie issues too. Look ..when you know better do better.. Isnt it amazing the crap we put up with with these jackoffs.. You'll be ok.. NC and knowledge is the solution .. Welcome to Narcville Hunter
Nov 26 - 6AM (Reply to #9)
fraidythecat
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Freak

might be a bit strong. But then again, maybe b/c I was only with him for 5 months, I didn't see all of the layers most of you experience. And again, I should be grateful. It just makes it hard to be glad to get dumped when you were still feeling like you were having a good time, most of the time. Mommie issues, daddy issues - yes, he was abused and neglected. Shipped off to grandparents to raise him, or shall I say, make sure he ate anyway. He was not raised so much as just allowed to grow up. Same thing as my brother, who also has N tendencies. As did my father. I came out co-dependent, which they say, is a common match up to an N. Thank you for the note. I will be ok - soon as I get over being dumped yet again. After being told all of the things I longed to hear for so many years, that I now apparently must just erase. It all goes back to tooting my own horn, which, quite frankly, I was growing tired of doing. It was nice to have someone else tell me the things everyone always says we should just know about ourselves. But when no one in your family has ever really done that - and in fact done the opposite - it's nice for a little outside reinforcement from "someone special". fc
Nov 25 - 10AM
Sparrow
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So sorry you had to

So sorry you had to experience all of that, but yes, it would seem to me that you were in a relationship with a narc. The healing takes time, a long time, but you seem to have a pretty good handle on the concept already, so I would say, stick to NC and in time, with reading, posting and forging your support, here on the forum, you will do just fine. As Hunter would say "welcome to narcville".............
Nov 26 - 6AM (Reply to #7)
fraidythecat
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Thank you

Narcville is a place I guess I've needed to find for some time but it took this particular break up for me to recognize the condition he has. I just hadn't ever really heard of it before. I just have to keep telling myself it would have gotten worse and pain then or pain now, (pain of rejection now or pain of some worse kind later), doesn't make much difference - but at least the rejection is an old wound I have been trying to heal for 30 years and had a good start on fixing. I'm glad he didn't pay mind games, lamplighter and all of that with me. He was just crazy. Short tempered, short attention span, all about himself, unfullfilled promises, and, at the end, I caught him in a lie. So, I guess it wouldn't have been long before it would have crumbled anyway. I just have to get back up and brush myself off and get back to where I was heading before I met him. He really was very funny, though. And I do still miss the energy - not too many people pump me up with energy like he could. I usually am the energetic one with my friends, so it was nice to have a match in that department. LOL Maybe I'm N, too, to a degree. Nah, I hate hurting people's feelings - he had little to no empathy. You guys are all great. Thank you. fc
Nov 25 - 8AM
distraught721
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Ive been there

I am so sorry for your pain. I must say though that you must read about NC. It seems he is still contacting and you are still replying. You are fairly new to this forum..you must read over and over why NO CONTACT is necessary not for him but for YOU! You dont need him to validate your worth and when you continue your contact you are validating that he is ok with what he did to you at YOUR EMOTIONAL EXPENSE! What is he doing for you? Absolutely NOTHING GOOD as long as you continue to accept his texts etc about his life but what about yours? Its ok to grieve!You gave it a shot but its not YOU with the problem sweety ...its HIM and its not your job to figure it out for him! I have read that they like women like US because they want to be so much LIKE US and they hate themselves so much (i.e ED , mood swings etc) that they little by little bring us down with focusing on our so called deficiencies instead of their own! Mine did that with me and I felt I was becoming smaller and smaller and being so "grateful" to be in his presence? REALLLY??? They should have been so lucky to be in ours!! Grieve...its ok..but please please keep reading and KNOW it had nothing to do with you!!!
Nov 25 - 9AM (Reply to #2)
fraidythecat
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Thank you

Thank you for your words of support and encouragement. My contact with him has been nothing more than I would give a passing stranger. "Thank you" was all I said in response to his note of sympathy on my pet's passing. I didn't go into any detail - two words. I guess I'm just human, and even my neighbors who are idiots, would get at least that. I "love my enemy", so to speak, but don't engage anymore. I wish he wouldn't be nice to me - I have to stop looking at his profile - not sure why I do that to myself. I just have this in my head that we were so compatible and he took me out and was like I thought a boyfriend should be (at first anyway). All it really probably means is that I've just not ever really dated anyone who has really treated me right. How do the losers find me? I thought I had started projecting a higher level of class than what he is. Although, he seems to think he is of the classiest. LOL He has money, sure, but that doesn't mean you have class. Again, thank you for your words. I waffle back and forth. I am really working hard to understand myself more - why I'm such easy prey. It has a lot to do with my father and what took 40+ years to do, won't undo overnight. I just hate feeling like I'll end up as most of the women in my life/family have - alone, bitter, drunks (some, all of the above.) I want more for me. I want to have a mate to share my awesome life with. Even just on weekends - I am a bit selfish, too, ha ha But I think it's healthier to each have your own life - and still be able to be faithful. I thought that is what I had found. I was wrong. And maybe he did me a favor, he ended things, or tried to, on a nice note. I caught him in a lie, and he got mad - "let's just end things on a good note!" So, I guess if it would have continued, it would have gotten worse, but then, I would have something to be mad at him about. LOL All I keep replaying is the fun times - I have to keep remembering the few lies, unfulfilled promises, his temper, he was textbook N. I read the psychology today story a few months ago and wondered why his photo wasn't on the cover. His younger days he ran around with lots of women, then was in a long term on and off again one with someone who may also have been an N. Probably the only reason it lasted so long. If I had thicker skin, I may have been able to stand up to his digs, too. But I got intimidated b/c of my past. And lost my edge and was no longer a good sparring partner for him I guess. But I want a loving relationship. Fun and kidding is one thing, but all in love. Not to make the other feel better about themselves having put someone down. ok - again, thank you - I hope others read on before it's to the point I got - and many of us on here. The pain is horrible. I have to find a way out. Grief is good, yes, but for how long do I do this? I need to do my self work. And after this weekend, I will feel a bit better - I keep telling myself that.
Nov 25 - 10AM (Reply to #3)
spinning
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Fraidy, dearheart, we are a lot alike...

...and that being said, please believe and trust me when I tell you that you will come out of this better, stronger, HOTTER than before. It is a blessing that you only wasted five months on this loser. The good times weren't really that good from what I read above. YOu were nervous, uncertain, anxious about being yourself in the bedroom, etc. etc. Don't re-write history and don't take HIS ISSUES ON! It wasn't you. It isn't you. You did nothing wrong and there is NOTHING WRONG WITH YOU! IT IS HIM. HE IS DISORDERED AND WILL ALWAYS BE THAT WAY. HE IS DISORDERED, PERIOD. IT'S ALL ABOUT HIM!! Fraidy, you will be a great catch and loving partner for someone who appreciates your outstanding qualities. What you must first do (as you noted above) is learn to appreciate your fine qualities all on your own...this is where it begins. I was told that the six year venture into hell I endured with freak boy "had to happen" to finally make me deal with the deep childhood self-esteem issues of never feeling "good enough." While I didn't like hearing this, I now realize (12.5 months NC after the most brutal and damaging D & D you could imagine) that this is true. Fraidy, I'm 54 years old and my life is better than I ever thought it could be and way, way better than it ever was in the six years I was with freak boy. It was all an illusion, I know that now and see it clear as day. You will too once you get more NC time under your belt. Also, please consider deleting his e-mails and/or blocking them. Stay away from mutual friends and please please try not to look at his FB or whatever. This is contact and it is an impediment to your healing. Fraidy, IT'S ALL ABOUT YOU NOW and I am here to tell you if you commit to doing the work (and I know you want to get there), you will be so happy you did. Believe me it is not an easy path, but The Path Forward is truly the only path to liberation, enlightenment, happiness and even joy. And BTW, I have met some very interesting, funny, fun, non-disordered and HOT men and have pleasant, normal, fun relationships. You will have this too if you want it. Fraidy, where you focus your thoughts becomes your reality. Shift the focus off of HIS SORRY ASS and what you "think you lost" (which you only lost chaos, confusion, self-doubt and more confusion) and onto what you need to do today to be happy and feel good about yourself. One step at a time. I hope this helps some, Fraidy. I have walked in your shoes and I am here to tell you your life will be better than you can imagine right now if you continue on the path and go full NC right now. Most sincerely, (not) spinning. AND IT FEELS DAMN GREAT!

spinning

Nov 26 - 6AM (Reply to #5)
fraidythecat
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Depression

I fight depression more than anything I think. I know I have it, but I can't seem to pull myself out of it all the time. The house is a wreck, I have to force myself to eat, and I love food!, I find myself saying I just don't give a crap about how I look or what happens to me. I'm past the wondering if anyone would miss me if I drove my car off the side of the road, thankfully. That kind of scared me. I am trying to eat better b/c I know nutrition has a lot to do with depression, too. I have started back on my vitamin, too. So, yes, my biggest challenge is learning to feel good about myself - has been an issue for a long time I guess. I struggle financially a lot so I can't do "nice" things for myself, take myself out, etc. So I tend to work a lot. I love what I do, don't get me wrong, but it's a pretty isolating occupation so there's a lot alone time. Thank goodness for my mp3 player. How did you combat the depression? (I won't take rx's, that is out of the ?) Set goals or whatever? I don't know where to start. Miraculously, I made Thanksgiving dinner for relatives and friends. I am good at masking my pain I guess. Fake it till you make it.... Just dragging myself around this morning and thought I'd touch base. fc
Nov 25 - 6PM (Reply to #4)
fraidythecat
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I needed that

I'm glad to know that what I am feeling is all normal and that it's not just me. Spinning is about what I feel sometimes, like out of control and about to lose my mind. I had a great day with some acquaintances and yet soon as I got alone, who popped into my head - wondering what he was doing today, and wishing he still wanted to be with me. I know it's crazy, but it's like a tape running in my head. I'm getting better and shutting it off as soon as the thoughts start, but they don't need to be there in the first place. At least I have finally started sleeping through the night again. That took 3 months. waking up crying is no fun. Yes, he is disordered, and it is all I can do not to feel sorry for him - he had a screwy, abusive childhood, which I read later is common and narcissim is a way kids deal with it, they just never outgrow it, like some of us become co-dependent. The trouble is, N's don't usually get hurt so there's no reason to get help/change. I am sometimes a bit jealous of that - not hurting, but I'd never want to cause anyone any pain, either. There must be a happy medium. What the heck does healthy look like? LOL I'm glad to know there are still some normal men out there - though I'm losing faith in the city where I reside. Seems N is pretty common, among men and women really. Maybe it's the times, maybe it's the place, I don't know. But I don't trust myself that is for sure. Thanks, Spinning. I really do appreciate your input. I will be re-reading all of these, frequently. fc