Getting Revenge?

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#1 May 1 - 12PM
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Getting Revenge?

Many people want to know the best way to get revenge on someone who has hurt them, especially someone they believe to be narcissistic, who seems to have no regret or remorse, who doesn’t care that they have caused pain and who offers no apologies nor tries to make amends. This sort of person inflicts a double blow - the pain of the injury or betrayal itself and the pain of being discounted as unimportant and having our suffering go unrecognised and unacknowledged.

Most of us have a highly developed sense of justice (at least when it comes to ourselves). When someone does us down we want them punished, we want them to feel the same (or worse) pain that they inflicted on us. The desire for revenge is a natural human response. So for what it’s worth, here are my thoughts on revenge:

* If the person who hurt us truly is a narcissist then any act of revenge on our part will bring out their really nasty side and probably unleash a whirlwind. A full-blown narcissist will be outraged at any attack on themselves and is likely to retaliate in extreme or even violent ways.

* Even while enraged that you dare make a move against them the narcissist will also be thrilled at the evidence of their power over you, the fact that you are still thinking about them, that you are so obviously hurting, that they can have such an impact on your life.

* Narcissists crave attention. They love it when people think about them and talk about them (even in a negative and derogatory way). To them any attention is good; any impact they have on others (even for the worse) is evidence of their superiority. The best revenge on a narcissist is to give them no evidence or proof of their power over you or their impact on your life. The best revenge on a narcissist is to act as if you don’t care, as though they are totally irrelevant to you. The very worst thing for a narcissist is to be ignored.

* Of course, not all people who hurt us are narcissists. There are many good people who sometimes do foolish, thoughtless, or even callus things.

* No matter how we have been hurt we are not alone. Every single one of the 6.5 billion people on earth are being, and will continue to be, hurt by others, often by those they love, often by those who are supposed to love and protect them. It seems to be human nature and an unfortunate fact of life that human beings hurt each other. People can be cruel, inconsiderate, incompetent and selfish. Perhaps accepting that can help us endure it.

* It’s possible that the person who hurt us may not be aware of the extent of our pain. We all tend to be self-focused and often have no idea of the impact of our actions on others. Sometimes explaining or complaining is all it takes to make someone see the error of their ways. And sometimes not.

* Acts of revenge usually provoke counter attacks and the escalation of tit-for-tat reprisals. We all tend to minimize and justify the hurt we inflict and inflate the hurt inflicted on us. History is littered with out of control and ludicrous blood feuds and vendettas that often lasted generations. Almost every race and culture has examples of this type of revenge gone mad.

* Concentrating on our pain and desire to inflict the same on the perpetrator keeps us locked in a negative and destructive thought pattern that can contaminate our whole lives. Many people become so obsessed that their logic and reasoning are impaired and any prospect of happiness destroyed. Letting go is usually a healthier option.

* Often, what we need is not revenge but closure. We need to feel that we have done what is necessary to protect and stand up for ourself so that we don’t feel like a helpless victim. If the damage done was criminal (abuse, violence, theft) for instance, we need to report it to the authorities. If it was not criminal but unethical we might write a letter of protest, confront the person, remove them from our lives or do whatever constructively gives us back our sense of power.

* Instead of focusing on revenge it is more constructive to consider what we can learn from our pain. We can see it as a gaining of experience and a life lesson. It can teach us to avoid certain types of people, to recognize the type of person who is not good for us. Or have we discovered something in ourselves that is detrimental? Are we too trusting perhaps, or too gullible, romantic, idealistic, unassertive?

* To be angry with the person who hurt us is natural but there are healthier ways to release it than acts of revenge. I have to admit to some fairly violent fantasies of revenge. And anger to the point that I thought I would explode. So I wrote it all out, pages and pages of fury and hurt. And then I had a bonfire and burnt the writing and all the mementos of the person concerned. It felt very cleansing.

* Forgiveness often sounds like weakness but to forgive is to release and detach from the intense emotions that result for our hurt.

* Plotting or engaging in acts of revenge can damage our self-image and self-esteem. We like to see ourselves as good people, sensible, trustworthy, decent. If we deliberately hurt someone then we have to change our definition of ourselves. We now become someone who is vindictive, out of control, malicious, destructive, or even a bit crazy. You are a good person, don’t lower yourself to the level of the one who inflicted the hurt.

* Every cloud can have a silver lining. My friend Dan was bullied mercilessly at school. Small, “foreign” and slightly effeminate looking he had no chance with the bullyboys. His revenge was to live well. He is now hugely successful, very wealthy, and at peace with who he is. At a recent school reunion he was able to gloat. Most of those who bullied him sucked up to him shamelessly and Dan, still small and slight but impeccably designer dressed didn’t need or want to put them down. They had always been “down” and he had always been “up”. Often “I’ll show them” (how wonderful I am) is the best response.

* Sometimes the people who hurt us simply can’t help themselves. For example an alcoholic or drug addict will invariably hurt others. They have no other option. So will people with personality disorders. And if someone simply stops loving us we can hardly blame them for it. Don’t’ get revenge, just get such people out of your life.

* Few people deliberately set out to hurt us. What they do to us is usually more about them than about us so perhaps we shouldn’t take it so personally.

* Find constructive forms of “revenge” that can give meaning to your suffering. One young woman I know who was raped became obsessed with getting revenge on her rapist after he was acquitted of the crime. She admits that she became a bit mad with the obsession, following him and planning how she could ruin his life. She was finally charged with stalking him. She wasn’t so much ruining his life as ruining her own. These days she is a volunteer working with rape victims and feels much more positive, purposeful and sane.

* When we remain focussed on the perpetrator we give them control over our lives. We are under their power even if we never set eyes on them again. Instead of focusing on what they did to us and how to punish them, we need to focus on ourselves, what is best for us, and how to live the best life possible for US.

* Eventually everyone suffers. An ancient philosophy that was especially influential in medieval times was the concept of the Wheel of Life or the Wheel of Fortune. The goddess of Fate, Fortuna was believed to spin the wheel at random so that some people suffered and others received windfalls. One minute a person could be favoured by fortune and the next be struck down into misery and misfortune. Whether we believe in The Wheel of Fortune or not it seems obvious that sometimes each of us is “up”, happy and prosperous but eventually we will be “down”, miserable and suffering. Call it fate, luck, Karma, God or whatever, but I do believe that eventually people get their comeuppance. So we don’t need to dirty our hands on revenge. The universe will do it for us.

* It often helps to look at the “big picture”, to put our own misery in perspective. How important is our injury compared to those starving in the Third World, the homeless, the disabled, the seriously ill?

* A desire for revenge often stems from a blow to our ego. When we are “dishonoured” our self-esteem plummets. Our natural narcissism makes us want to punish the person who decreases our sense of self-worth. This is an understandable response but usually not constructive or healthy.

* If you believe in the Law of Attraction (we attract to us the things we regularly think about and focus on) then nay thoughts about or acts of revenge and vindictiveness are likely to attract bad vibes, negativity and misfortune to ourselves. There is enough bad stuff in the world without us adding to it.

* Take the high ground - be a hero to yourself and rise above anger and vindictiveness. Be someone you can admire and be proud of.

* If you get revenge you may have to take the consequences. Criminal prosecution is a possibility if you break the law and the laws of slander and libel make even spreading rumours a potentially risky act.

~~~~~~~~~~~
The best way of avenging yourself is not to become like the wrongdoer.
- Marcus Aurelius.

Revenge is a confession of pain.
- Latin proverb.

Sep 8 - 3PM
whatever2009
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ignoring

I do beleive IGNORING them drives them crazy. and at the same time it allows us to heal...not even just ignoring them, but if your not contacting them, they think your not even thinking about them. They cant stand to be replaced/not thought of...they start asking around. Has she said anything!?!?! They drive themselves crazy. Then they make excuses as to why you left/or why they left you. This helps there peanut sized brains cope with the fact they were rejected. However deep down they know, we were good to them and they took it for granted. When I broke it off with mine, he told me I could come in and out of his life anyway I pleased........as long as I stayed in it. Why...thank you, your so sweet. (BARF). what a fucking joke.
Sep 8 - 4PM (Reply to #17)
baddream
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I agree with whatever. Treat them like Nothing.

The greatest revenge is not letting them see you give a damn. I have repeated those words to myself over and over again these last months, anytime I would almost call him to confront him with what he had done, or take revenge in some way. I agree with whatever... Just ignore, ignore, ignore. If you treat them like nothing, they will become nothing.
Sep 8 - 4PM (Reply to #18)
Barbara (not verified)
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lower than dirt

they already ARE nothing not EVEN HUMAN! ~~~~~~~~~~~~ CLICK HERE: Articles & information for Narc Victims - Updated Daily "As soon as you feel that crazy sense of walking on eggshells, fending off N-rage, stop. Walk away." - Dr. M. Beck
Sep 8 - 11AM
NanC (not verified)
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cupcake This is sooo

cupcake This is sooo painful. He came over looking all handsome and cleaned up in his starched up jeans. He was acting so calm and collective like he had no clue who this person was that I was referring him to be. How long has it been since you and your wacko split up? My email address is [email protected] if you ever want to compare notes. I am having a really crappy day today for some reason. You are soooo lucky you didn't have a child with yours. We'll be going to court in a couple of weeks to set up visitations and it just kills me to have to share her with him (she's six). He asked her what she wanted for Christmas last year and then didn't even show up because he was with his new gf (the one I had on the phone when he brought his new "supply" to my house. Last nite, he called me "baby" and then said "sorry". He just wanted me to kno what he calls his new gf, I'm sure. (Needed to add salt to the wound!)
Sep 8 - 11AM
NanC (not verified)
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cupcake This is sooo

cupcake This is sooo painful. He came over looking all handsome and cleaned up in his starched up jeans. He was acting so calm and collective like he had no clue who this person was that I was referring him to. How long has it been since you and your wacko split up? My email address is [email protected] if you ever want to compare notes. I am having a really crappy day today for some reason. You are soooo lucky you didn't have a child with yours. We'll be going to court in a couple of weeks to set up visitations and it just kills me to have to share her with him (she's six). He asked her what she wanted for Christmas last year and then didn't even show up because he was with his new gf (the one I had on the phone when he brought his new "supply" to my house. Last nite, he called me "baby" and then said "sorry". He just wanted me to kno what he calls his new gf, I'm sure. (Needed to add salt to the wound!)
Sep 8 - 1PM (Reply to #14)
Barbara (not verified)
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NanC

time for you to dump him and go NC. he will continue to HARM YOU PLEASE read through MY BLOG - ALL the posts PLEASE go through ALL the pages of MESSAGE BOARD get rid of this soul sucking dirtbag. NOW! ~~~~~~~~~~~~ CLICK HERE: Articles & information for Narc Victims - Updated Daily "As soon as you feel that crazy sense of walking on eggshells, fending off N-rage, stop. Walk away." - Dr. M. Beck
Sep 7 - 9PM
cupcake (not verified)
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The N's life after exposure

I tried to expose my N by telling his girlfriend about what he did. It didn't work as most of you know, I am labelled as a pyscho, she doesn't believe it and is still with him and after I told her he discarded me completely and threatened me with harassment charges if I did it again. Even though she will in her mind believe him and think I am crazy etc, maybe a part of it did go through to her. What about him? now he is exposed I am thinking he will be extra careful about his affairs and just tighten his belt and security. What happens to them after they are caught? Are they on best behavior for a while with the girlfriends? And then they go back to being a jerk? I think by telling her all I did was push them closer he would have tried very hard to be the convincing good boy after that. How long does that last? I read that it doesn't take them long to fall back into their pattern...after his scare will he got back to being himself again and keep cheating etc on her? I hope so! After exposure - do they even care? Or does exposing them just make them careful about their affairs for the future?
Sep 7 - 11PM (Reply to #11)
NanC (not verified)
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Omg! I was recently given

Omg! I was recently given the opportunity to expose my ex-N. We have a child together(so unfortunate). The only time he cares to see her is when he wants to show her off to a new gf. It was our baby's bday & he said he wanted to pick her up from school & celebrate her bday. I thought she would enjoy spending the day with her daddy, just the two of them. Well...it wasn't just the two of them. He brought his gf along. Not even on her " special day" could it be about her! He pulled into my driveway, i guess thinkin he was just goin to dump her off quickly & drive off before i realized he had his gf in the car. Unfortunately for him, i pulled in after he did & had him blocked in. I told him if he had the b***s to bring her to my house, he was goin to have to suffer the consequences. I introduced myself to his new gf & told her she had no clue who she was dating. I told her he was a patholigical liar & a narcissist. I told her never loan him money. She said that was not my business. I told her he left me & the girl right before her owing thousands of dollars. I got the previous gf on the phone & told her i had Lance & his newest gf in my driveway & was there anything she would like to say to her (had her on speaker!) She said "that is one crazy mf & if u have any sense, u will run away as fast as u can!" I enjoyed watching him squirm but guess what??? She didn't believe it. He had already made us out to be the ones with the issues & her only comment was, "sometimes people bring out the worst in each other". He texted me that nite to let me kno i brought out the worst & she brought out the best in him! I kno we're not suppose to wish people bad but i hope she dumps him. I think all i did was cause him to be on his bestest behavior!(crap!) Is it possible that he could actually change for this new gf????
Sep 7 - 11PM (Reply to #12)
cupcake (not verified)
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NanC

NO! He isn't going to change for this new GF! She is in for the same rollar coaster painful ride you were put through! If she is new, the effects of 'new supply' will wear thin soon and he will be after someone else or try and contact you again. I'm glad you made him squirm and the fact he messaged you shows that you got to him! What a jerk. I can't believe he couldn't just be himself even for his baby's birthday, makes me relived I don't have one with my N. Not possible he will change - it's a pattern as everyone says. I used to think that the GF had it so much better than me etc am am still struggling to picture them as unhappy as I was but the others here assure me it is the same. They don't see us as human beings, just objects so they treat everyone the same, just a different mask they put on for different situations depending on what they feel like. This new GF will find out soon. Ic an't wait for that!! He will never change in a billion years for anyone! Maybe just withdraw for a while but they can't change. That kind of gives me comfort with my N whoever is unluck enough to be in his path is going to receive the same treatment as we did!!
Sep 7 - 10PM (Reply to #9)
cynthia (not verified)
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good questions

I dont know what they do when they are caught? I am sure they say it will never happen again but I doubt they are too concerned about it, they could care less if the GF leaves, ya now they have to train another one but its not the end of the world for them just a big inconvenience. I think alot of them learn by trial and error mine was GOOD and very very very careful, he covered all his tracks in fact that is why I would always have to pick him up, so it looked like he was at home the GF would see his vehicle parked, I mean there are always risks but my counselor told me, he has probably made it clear to the GF he WILL NOT TOLERATE DISTRUST AND BEING CHECKED UP ON so the GF knows better than to drop over at 1 in the morning to check up on him, they juggle so many women these guys wait patiently to sneak out and screw they are so clever they probably instigate fights so it gives them their freedom.
Sep 8 - 6AM (Reply to #10)
Barbara (not verified)
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tell! tell! tell!

their pattern when caught is also classic. they blame the one who catches & exposes them. Calls them scorned, hell hath no fury, psycho, obsessed, a stalker. Who cares? You spoke truth and someday the new prey will know. (when you were FIRST with him, would YOU have believed he was a narc if the ex told you? hmmm?) the reasons to expose them have NOTHING to do with breaking up the current relationship. NOTHING at all: http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/09/04/top-ten-reasons-expose-your-ex I always recommend using exposure sites on the net and NOT Telling the latest victim yourself - that will ALWAYS backfire on you. www.peepsheet.com www.cheatersexpose.com www.stoptheact.com www.dontdatehimgirl.com www.playerblock.com They behave like saints long enough to lure the new victim or wife back into a sense of security... then s l o w l y the abuse gets ramped up and they go back to the SAME STUFF. THEY DO NOT CHANGE. EVER. http://howtospotadangerousman.blogspot.com/2007/08/predictibility-of-pathology.html of course the new prey is usually too embarrassed to admit you were right, tries to work on it but eventually they do it again - and again - and again - and again - and.... ~~~~~~~~~~~~ CLICK HERE: Articles & information for Narc Victims - Updated Daily "As soon as you feel that crazy sense of walking on eggshells, fending off N-rage, stop. Walk away." - Dr. M. Beck
Sep 2 - 8AM
Marie
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Revenge

I once thought of getting revenge. Sometimes I would even think of sending his new lady friend's husband a note about her activities but never felt good about my thoughts afterward. It would hurt everyone in that family and maybe he knows already and doesn't care. From the little nonsense I've listened to from my N seems like she puts on little shows for him with her webcam, whatever. I did want closure and to understand why it all unraveled but after all the searching I know now there are many answers I will never get. The basic truth is he is mentally unhitched and anything having to do with him will never be logical. One thing I learned but also happened on it's own as my feelings for him died was to stop commenting on all his lady friends. It's clear many would be brought up to stir the pot and put me on edge. When I decided I had enough of him I could really care less who he was spending time with. I saw them all on his Facebook and know he's on Match but never mention any of it. I don't want him to feel any satisfaction that I care in the least or think about him. If he should enter my thoughts its always in a negative way gone is the bittersweet "remember when" type feelings. Replaced with "why was I so stupid" and "if only I had listened to what my gut was telling me". I regret knowing him it was such a waste. If I could erase the last 3 years I would and I would give anything to be able to relive those years without him. However time does not go backwards and I am no longer a prisoner of my thoughts. Revenge would only continue keeping me a prisoner. Eventually I believe he will get his and I will be on the sidelines cheering.
Sep 1 - 3PM
Barbara (not verified)
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revenge?

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Jun 27 - 3PM
Barbara (not verified)
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revenge?

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May 1 - 1PM
Fawn
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Revenge

I really needed to read this today. I can very easily get stuck in self-pity and bitterness over how my marriage ended. It doesn't help me at all to focus on all the bad times. I need to take on a new project that will better my life and my children's.
May 1 - 5PM (Reply to #2)
Mariline
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Barbara

Only one thing:(wonderful post as usual) the trouble here is that the narcissist will think that also when you report a criminal act is a revenge and this feeds their ego. THIS is unfair. Then what do you do? You don't report them because you have to ignore them? Remember: Safe People are people who draw you closer to who you were meant to be spiritually, emotionally, mentally and physically. They encourage you to be your most loving, growing self. (Emotional Abusers- Heartless Bitches International)
May 1 - 9PM (Reply to #3)
Barbara (not verified)
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no

you report them anyway! who gives a rat's ass what they think? they are gonna think whatever suits them anyway. REPORT! ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Cost-Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
Sep 8 - 2PM (Reply to #4)
Rose-Marie (not verified)
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Revenge

N2 is a pillar of the community - well amongst those that actually speak to him. I would dearly love to spray the words "I am an abuser behind closed doors" in bright red paint all over his white car, but as he lives 200 miles away I won't be doing it! Just imagine how many neighbours could read that and wonder about it, before he even got up in the morning. That would be the sweetest revenge for me, because there is no smoke without fire. Rosy