He will do it again, right?

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#1 Jul 23 - 7PM
reallyconfused
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He will do it again, right?

He will repeat the same cycle with other people right? No matter what his "label" is he is definitely toxic to say the least, but I need some comfort of knowing he didn't save the horrible treatment for me and blaming me for being too shy. I need to know that he'll just be a jerk to someone else also no matter what he is classified as. I don't wish bad on anyone, but I just need to know that I wasn't the cause of his treatment and that whoever else he finds he will be the same way with them despite them being more outgoing or whatever.

Jul 26 - 1AM
Reddley
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Not to you if you don't let him...

You being shy is not his motivation. It's only one of his well thought up excuses. It wouldn't honestly matter if you were outgoing and self confident. He would find your one weakness and use it against you. Let's be honest here... there is no such thing as the perfect person. So anyone he meets he'll find fault in them and use it to justify his boredom/hate/animosity/resentment and give him an excuse to move on. I think they already know our faults from day one. If they couldn't find that weakness early on, I don't think these passive aggressive pricks would have the courage to bother trying. I tried to figure out why my ex N dumped me. I won't ever know... pretty much everyone here has confirmed it for me. I got 5 or 6 different reasons from him. I don't believe any of them. No consistency. He lacks the empathy and maturity to give valid reasons or even come up with something believable but yet soothing... like we just aren't compatible. Who cares about her feelings... I need an exit but I need to leave the door open a little, just in case. Being shy does not make you a failure as a human being, nor is it a reason to abuse someone or destroy a relationship. I know lots of men who prefer them to outgoing women. It's how they are wired... and they aren't abusive Ns. I'm convinced these guys are just like tape worms. They just sit in hiding, slowly sucking the life out of you before you even realize they are there. Fucking parasites! Don't let this one guy destroy you. He's not worth it. Living life is something worth fighting for. Fight for YOU!
Jul 26 - 4AM (Reply to #18)
badjer
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I really could not agree more

I really could not agree more with these posts. If it is any consolation, I have battled with the same cancerous thought for the last (nearly) 10 months since we split. It hurts like no other pain to believe we were somehow the agents of our own misfortune but unfortunately, they are masters at creating that belief in our heads and the disconnect in our brains. I look back now at my relationship and - for all of the flowery, sweet nothings at the start - the signs were all there. He got jealous at a club one evening, got drunk, threatened to go and "pull" other girls, punched a doorframe when he got back to the hotel, but hated admitting to his foul behaviour the next day and all but sulked about it. He once described himself as an "oasis of calm" and that "I don't know what it is but I seem to get really angry around you" - thereby pinning the blame entirely at my door for his poor conduct. (On this occasion, he got drunk again, lost his temper and smashed his cell phone into the ground and then walked off.). When I went after him he had this gleeful look of supreme delight on his face, like "she's come after me again after all." This, coming from a man who said to me in a text "I often told X (ex wife) to fuck off. Too often I lost my rag at her and we had blazing screaming matches.." Right - an oasis of calm and it's just me that brings out the badness? This also coming from a man who said at the very start in a drunken phone call "I hurt people, it's what I do…" (in a whiny, pity-me voice..). I'm sorry but what you see with these people if what you get. If they aren't abusive by nature, it will not BE in their nature to abuse, to be scathing, to belittle, to tell somebody to fuck off, to walk off, to give the silent treatment. It simply wouldn't be there, but it is - because they ARE abusive. Trying to get them to see how awful they are is like pissing into the wind - they will not thank you for holding the mirror up for them and it does their self-esteem critical damage. They actually resent us for being the source of their guilt because, deep deep down, they know they are not good enough and they resent us for putting up with them. It is so twisted. I am really battling with these demons daily - still - and he ended it 4 months ago for the second time. I am asking myself again and again - why can't I get past this? It is because I keep racking my brain to question if I did something to cause it all but in my heart, I know he was abusive. He described his ex wife as lazy and negative and she never wanted to do anything, but in the next breath he felt guilty about her and is still friends with her. She divorced him for being cold and self-righteous etc etc. The only reason she tolerated it for as long as she did was because they were childhood sweethearts and they just "grew apart." I hate to think that I was just used by him to feed his ego - I embarked on an affair with him and part of me wonders if for him it was all about 'winning' me away from my husband to pacify his ego. What I have not understood is why he tried to keep the door open for 5 months after I ditched him last year, came dashing back like a puppy with 3 tails when we reconciled, but had by date 2 changed his mind entirely and was filled with "fear" and "doubts". I am convinced that what he wanted was to luxuriate in the power of being the dumped one, reconciling on the one hand but holding me at arm's length until it suited him and seeing me push for intimacy, but my wariness and lack of enthusiasm burst that particular bubble. He wanted me to grovel and say to him "take as much time as you need" and I didn't because he had been a turd the first time and deserved to be ditched. I was not going to apologise for that or fall right back into his lap after that and he knew it. Rather than being kind, considerate and mature and saying to me "take as much time as you need, I love you and I want to work through this and be better for you", he said in fact "I need more time. If you're saying to me it's now or never then I'm going to have to say it's never" and then he dumped me a week and a half after that by voicemail. The excuses were plentiful; "I think we've lost our spark or whatever…" "you said you don't want to get hurt and I think that will happen if we get back together and I don't want to hurt you…" Then in a follow up text "clearly it's just me but there are too many doubts….I am sorry and we can't be friends but agree no regrets." It was all BS excuses just to get in there first because he feared being ditched a second time. And he feared being ditched because he *KNEW* his character and he *KNEW* he was abusive. He clearly took the view 'it's not me, it's us together' and yet he fucked up the one thing he said was "the best thing" to ever happen to him. So it was us, was it?? Or, more specifically, me? Cowardice and selfishness. They fuck with your head, and then like a hit and run, off they go to lick their wounds and find somebody else who will tell them they are wonderful and faultless and take all the blame for them. Try as hard as you can not to get sucked in - he WILL do it again to somebody else because that is how they are wired. XXXX
Jul 26 - 1AM
Journey
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Yes, yes and yes

He can't change the hard wiring of his disorder. He will not be a better person in a new relationship - he will still be abusive because that is how he functions. You could be as outgoing as the most popular celebrity and he would find something ELSE to criticize, to blame his horrible treatment of you on. ((hugs))

Journey on...

Jul 25 - 6PM
Done sourcing
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Yes he will

. . . . Yes he will ds
Jul 25 - 6PM
Gullable1
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.?

Who cares what he does moving forward, take care of yourself, be thankful things didn't become long entangled and involved. Worry about you, do what you can to make you the best "you", you can be.
Jul 25 - 6PM (Reply to #13)
reallyconfused
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I'm trying, it's difficult

I'm trying, it's difficult because I still feel unvalidated even though he tried contacting me and "apologizing" and how bad he feels 'cause the same thing was done to him... But I am trying to move forward, I finally went to the counseling center at my college today, I have an appointment tomorrow.
Jul 25 - 6PM (Reply to #14)
Hunter
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RC

He's cancer, cut out the cancer! NC is the chemotherapy. He's hoovering, if you bite this will never get better! And yes, they are predators, he will crush the next, and the next and the next! Hunter PS keep trying you're doing great!
Jul 25 - 6PM
IncognitoBurrito
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Short answer?

Yes! Now, suspend reality for a moment here, and suppose he is a changed man! Fat chance, but let's suppose. Even so, he still treated you like garbage, and you no longer tolerate that kind of bumpkiss in your life anymore. You have true friends now. So, you will no longer give him the option to re-offend.
Jul 25 - 3PM
deecbee
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He WILL do it

He WILL do it again. Absolutely. These assholes don't change - even if they wanted to, they couldnt. I've been through the same cycle with him to know this is true! Even listening to him discuss his OW, it's clear that he's still the same scumbag, even if it isn't clear to her yet. She's still in honeymoon phase with him and he knows that, but in our recent conversations (which, yes, I know should have never happened) he spoke of her like she was GARBAGE! I was appalled. He disrespected her father, used racial slurs, told all of her secrets (her past sexual encounters that she had told him in confidence). It was sickening. The mask will slip, do not doubt that for a second.
Jul 24 - 6AM
Cgrl
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Shy

He picked your shyness to focus on. For the next one- her feet may be too big. The next one- her lips may be too small. The next one- she may be too outgoing. The next one- he doesn't Like that she talks to strangers. The next one- her family may be too close. Get it? It will always be something. They never change. Please try to believe this. No matter how long it last with the next one- you can bet he will find something to focus on to make her/him feel bad. Don't worry. Nothing makes these narctards happy.
Jul 25 - 6PM (Reply to #9)
reallyconfused
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It's hard to imagine that

It's hard to imagine that they aren't happy since they move on so easily. He's probably having the time of his life right now.
Jul 24 - 3AM
lavendar19
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My ex N used to ask why I was

My ex N used to ask why I was ''antisocial''. Before meeting him, I would go out tons and have a lot of fun with my friends..after about 2 years of knowing him/being with him.. yes, I did turn a bit antisocial (ok, maybe more than a bit realistically..I had no friends).. why? Because I was always sad and couldn't have fun with anyone. Friends left me one by one when they realized I was a lost cause...their advice went in one ear and came out of another. Understandably, they all gave up on me. He left me for a more social woman, always rubbing it in my face that she was more social than I was. I was done, sick and tired of it, I told him to get lost (after years of withdrawal symptoms, tears and depression) and started to rebuild my life. Made a lot of friends at school, started seeing guys, I was ME and loving it..but I missed him dearly at nights, it was this forum and another that saved me from calling him. I overheard from friends that he was telling the new woman to dress like me.. LOL. After a year he had left her and she was (and still is) on heavy antidepressants. Guess who he came running back to? Yep. So to answer your question..NO...he will treat the next woman just as bad if not WORSE with time, do not let the N's image fool you...my ex N and his new woman looked AMAZING and so in love and HAPPY in public. And now she is left with her antidepressants while he was chasing after me. I took him back as a ''friend'', bad idea. He is now chasing after her because she has started to rebuild her life..LOL. These men are vampires. Be happy, life is way too short for the narcissist's BS. Do some exercise, go out with friends, start working, shop around (for clothes and for men haha). Feel good
Jul 23 - 9PM
girlsinger
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Hi Reallyconfused

Hi there precious One hmmmm "he'll do it again...right"? lets see... Freud for instance, stated he felt our personlities are pretty much "fixed" by age 5 (and that is for normies,) remember.. N's are "stuck" so, is your N 5 or older? if so no change will be forthcoming,its pretty much "fixed" but,if I may say my hope for you is that as you heal you will not wish any ill will, even towards him or anyone he is with that takes time..but is a noble goal to reach for because we are vibrational beings and what goes around really does come around so, as Einstien proved everything is "energy" including what we "think" and "intend" here is the link, on Freud and personalities ...take a read I found it most enlighting. http://factoidz.com/how-human-personality-is-formed-and-how-it-shapes-our-identities/ sending you light... be blessed K
Jul 23 - 8PM
ruby01 (not verified)
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reallyconfused

Unfortunately, he will do it again and again and again and... because that is who he is.
Jul 23 - 8PM
strongblackcoffee
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RC

Sadly for the unsuspecting, yes. Almost to the letter. I found out that SH even called the OW the same pet names. Barf! His disease has nothing to do with you and your shyness. It is all about him. Hugs Coffee
Jul 25 - 6PM (Reply to #4)
lavendar19
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I found out my N called the

I found out my N called the OW the same pet names too!!! Gahhhh...that's terrible. That they don't even have the slighest emotion to connect even a LITTLE BIT of emotion to the nicknames they had for us...
Jul 24 - 3AM (Reply to #3)
Journey
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My exN also uses the same pet

My exN also uses the same pet names - one I know was used with at least three of us.

Journey on...

Jul 23 - 7PM
SoaperGirl
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Narcs are repetitive

Yes, it's almost like they follow the same script over and over again. It's not about you - it's all about him!