just need some feedback

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#1 Mar 11 - 11PM
cassiemay
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just need some feedback

Hi everyone,

I've been separated from my husband for 2 and 1/2 years now with the divorce dragging on and on due to his recalcitrance and delaying tactics. I am so sick of it all. Anyway, I'll be forthright and simply say that we have been married for 23 years (21 before the separation) and he has truly been a complete asshole since then. I have tried and tried to be responsible for my errors, mostly consisting of being depressed upon our latest move to another state. He is a physician and was always working. I tried to integrate into my new life, having moved with him yet another time. I struggled. I volunteered at several different non-profits and did the best I could, truly. Nevertheless, I was depressed and my medications weren't working anymore. I talked to him (the physician) about this and his response was nothing except criticism about how I needed "drugs", i.e. antidepressants, and shouldn't need that. He, after all, had pulled himself up "from bootstraps".
I interacted with him a couple of weeks ago and asked him why he had been so contemptuous and disdainful and what he said was "I don't love you anymore and haven't for several years. I always told you I didn't want an overweight wife". (Yes, I am about 25 pounds overweight).
So...I just ask you for your feedback. He also admitted he had been "emotionally" involved with another woman prior to our separation and slept with her 10 days thereafter. Oh, anyway, I'm just obsessing, which I don't want to do anymore because it makes no difference and I would never trust him again. The whole weight thing has me flabbergasted
I always said "that is so shallow" and his response was, "well, I told you that when we got married...."

Ok, I realize I should have taken better physical care of myself. I am to blame there. But if someone really loves you do they reject you for being overweight? I know this is a hot topic but would appreciate any feedback. BTW, he fits all other definitions of NPD and I do not say this lightly. Just trying to find a way to move forward.... Thanks CassieMay

Mar 15 - 10PM
Barbara (not verified)
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The Blame Game

He's full of crap. Overweight my derriere. That's just Narc Blame-Shifting 101: A common bully tactic. It goes right along with changing the subject and making accusations. As long as he can somehow make you believe that it was all your fault, he's off the hook and you're either left wondering what just hit you or you're falling over yourself (and him) to make it up to him. If you go for the latter option, there is a good chance that he will milk it for all it's worth. It's not always your fault though. It could be his boss, the clerk at the grocery store, the bank teller, the guy who cut him off on the freeway, a lack of sleep, a worrying situation … anyone or anything at all as long as it's not him. Blame shifting is not always obvious because it is not always directly linked to the situation at hand. For example, you complain that he's been touchy and short with you for over a week. A direct blame shift would be to say something like, "that's because you didn't fetch my suit from the cleaners last Tuesday". You were the cause and you're getting the consequence. It's an inappropriately extended punishment, but at least there's a straight line relationship between the two things. With an oblique response, he could have said something like, "well, I blew my job interview on Wednesday." Now you are meant to take up the delightful task of extricating from him exactly why he believes he blew the interview, which at the end of a two hour session will come down to the fact that he felt uncomfortable because he could not wear his favourite suit …. Because you never fetched it from the cleaners." If subtlety is his strength and he knows that it works on you, he would have stopped at the point of not being able to wear his favourite suit and left you to come to your own guilty conclusion as to whose fault that was. A different type of indirect relationship between cause and effect is that he tells you he's been nasty to you because his lucky pen was stolen a week ago. It has nothing at all to do with you, but it shifts blame away from him. Now the cause of your misery is no longer him, it is the unknown person who stole his pen. Either way he wins. If nobody in the situation is to blame, then there is no way to resolve the problem. If you are to blame, then you must fix it. As for him, he is just an innocent victim and utterly blameless, therefore unable to do anything at all to find a solution, but totally justified in being a sod. http://www.cosmicwalk.co.za/games-blaming.html Don't engage him again, don't speak to him at all... let your attorney do it. And even if you are - don't let him know you are annoyed with his delays. He's got you doubting yourself because of his comments about your weight? Stop listen to his toxic verbal bombs! NO contact with him -- then watch how fast he settles when he can't get a reaction out of you!
Mar 12 - 12AM
Lisa E. Scott
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No question about it

Hi CassieMay, You have all the info. you need to move forward. I understand how you feel about wanting to hear from others what they think. That's why we're all here..to ask each other questions, lean on one another and support each other. This man sounds horribly shallow and most certainly treats you poorly to the point where you absolutely should no longer tolerate it. Get out now! Best. Lisa
Mar 12 - 2PM (Reply to #2)
cassiemay
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thanks

thanks for the comment, Lisa. I welcome anyone else! Anyone else had this experience? I know that this is very minor compared to the more major pains and heartbreak we have all experienced. It is just one small (very small) piece of what I find myself obsessing about late at night. Would it have changed things if I were 25 pounds lighter??? I know this sounds ridiculous. I know. But none of us are immune to these doubts and recurring elements of self-blame. Thanks, CM
Mar 12 - 10PM (Reply to #6)
Lisa E. Scott
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Cassiemay

Cassiemay - Like Betteroff said, 25 lbs. is insignificant and if he didn't use this against you, he would have just come up with something else to criticize you about. Narcissists know how to push our buttons. If you were self-conscious about the size of your breasts, he would have told you to get a boob job or if you were thin, he would have told you to put some meat on your bones so he had something to grab. My point is that, at the end of the day, none of what you do is going to matter because he will always find fault with it. I've had moments where I was so proud of something I accomplished, but then the n finds something wrong with it or points something out that he knows will make me obsess for no reason. They love playing with our heads! Don't let him get to you or question yourself! He is the insecure one that puts you down to make himself feel better!
Mar 12 - 2PM (Reply to #5)
better off
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that was just an excuse

First of all...25 pounds isn't even that much! Without it, he would have just picked on you for something else, IMO. He has to make it be about you, instead of what a jerk HE is. Furthermore...he's a PHYSICIAN...and he told you not to take antidepressants?? Because he pulled himself up by his bootstraps? My H says that kind of CRAP...but he doesn't know a damn thing about medicine either. For any husband to say it is awful, but for a doctor...that's unconscionable. Do you think he tells patients that? Of course not! He's just abusive and cruel...so he uses whatever's handy to be that way. Sadly, though, you hit on it. They undermine us so completely that we question ourselves constantly. Sometimes I have to remind myself that my husband would be haranguing whoever was standing in front of him, me or any other woman. He also picks on my weaknesses. Unfortunately our spouse knows them better than anyone...and what will make us the most upset. I have a friend that recorded a convo with her H recently just to make sure SHE didn't sound the way he tells her she sounds (hostile). And of course, she didn't. But you start questioning your own reality around these people.
Mar 12 - 2PM (Reply to #3)
ms_jeeves
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it was going to happen

I don't think it would have changed anything if you had lost 25 pounds (and I have had the same kinds of questions). I think that people like this are very insecure and filled with self-loathing. Since he won you over, you're part of his inner circle and he can use you to blame for his unhappiness. I also think they use our deepest insecurities against us when they want to push us away. The bottom line is, it was cruel of him to plant this insecurity. It's a gift you didn't want, just throw it away.
Mar 12 - 11PM (Reply to #4)
cassiemay
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thanks so much for the replies

Thanks everyone.... I appreciate it more than you know. As you all know, there are monemts when one just gets crazy and thinks, "oh, if only I'd done this!:" Yeah. Thanks for helping me through my moments...CM Ms. Jeeves, and others, you are right that they can use our deepest insecurities to use against us. It's so sad, isn't it, when they do so. Someone we trusted with our deepest fears and feelings then uses it against us. I would like to think I would never do that to someone else, even though I fantasize about it with my STBX. After many mistakes, (I'm thinking about a book called 100 ways to fuck yourself during divorce....) I hopefully have come to the point. (when I'm "rational" that I realize I don't want to do that anymore. In the interest of possible humor I'm going to start a new topic about "crazy things i've done... Thanks, CM