Leaving an N with kids

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#1 Apr 27 - 11PM
malloryforest
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Leaving an N with kids

My husband has been having an affair with a married coworker, which i found out about right after the birth of my third child. When I first found out, I wanted to work on the marriage. I wanted to use this experience as a wake-up call to issues we needed to address. Unfortunately, my ex had other plans including putting me and the children through a living hell for the next two years.

The hell took us through a family vacation to celebrate our marriage and family that was just a cover up for their continuing affair. I would go to therapy to work on the marriage, of course he didn't need therapy, and he would watch kids. Later I found out watching the kids meant meeting girlfriend and letting our children and her children play together in a daycare while they spent the hour together.

He thought he was a better man when he was open about the relationship. He would come home from work, change his cloths to go out on his dates. All of this, right in front of me. He would leave the kids crying because they didn't understand why daddy was always going and not home to read them stories and put them to sleep.

Of course, I caused him to have the affair. I was pregnant and non sexual. Didn't matter that he called me fat throughout my pregnancy, I normally weigh around 100 pounds, or that he never went to my doctor visits, and never interacted with me. I was suppose to meet his sexual needs.

In front of a marital therapist, whom we saw once, he told me I had used him for his sperm.

When I found out about the affair, I was hurt, sad, scared and angry, and I had just had a child so my hormones were fragile. Of course, when I expressed my anger, I was told I had an anger problem and that is why he had to have an affair.

When my child was born, he never held him, fed him, anything. He was too busy hating me, hating our child, and having his grandiose needs met by this other woman.

I tried so many things to get him to work on our marriage, all in vain. The lies were non-stop, and I was always to blame. My favorite was when i was out of town with the children, and he told me he was going to end the affair in his "own way." He told me he was going to meet her for dinner. Her car pulled up in my driveway and spent the whole night. He had the balls to send me an email "after his dinner" that he had ended his affair.

I filed for divorce. He told me it was my responsiblity to show him that I could change, before he would give up his girlfriend.

The nightmare continued on and on. I finally took the kids and moved out of state back to my home, family and friends. Sick part...he didn't fight it. Infact, he drove us cross country, picked out a rental, and flew back to our old house leaving me and his three kids. The other woman moved in as soon as he got home.

I wish I could say it ended there. From that point on, everyday I was bombarded with emails and every visitation included him complaining about how I did this to him, and how depressed he was that he wanted to blowout his brains. He realized he didn't really love her, and now she wants her children to move into the house with him. Needless to say, he doesn't want them. He calls her kids, mean, fat and stupid, but is going to let them move in because he doesn't want to be alone. It is my fault that I put him in this situation. To this day he asks me to help HIM find a path back to our marriage, but he still needs to have her live in our house because after I abandoned him, he needs someone to help him care for the house and animals.

He is just the helpless victim, and is just using everyone as a pawn in his sick game. I am so sad for my kids, and honestly...Instead of hating the other woman, I pity her and really feel for her kids. She has no idea that she is next in line for the same emotional abuse. I am sure he has painted me out as evil, and is telling her how she is his true love, etc., and she, recently divorced, is falling for it.

Our divorce is slowly moving along, although he is not doing anything on his side. I am financially and emotionally trying to protect my kids, but it is very hard. The law doesn't really recognize emotional abuse, so I try to be as positive as I can for the kids and encourage their relationship with their dad. I try to keep my issues separate from their relationship, but it is hard.

I just keep plugging along everyday, being as positive as I can for my kids. It is true that completely cutting off contact is the healthiest way to go. Unfortunately, it is very hard when you have three kids.

Any words of encouragement would help. It has been a very tough road.

Oct 24 - 10AM
grossot
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To my mommy

Dear mommy, I love you. You have taken such good care of me even though you are hurting so much. I know you hide your tears from me. Thank you for doing your best to provide a home for me with real emotions. I'm glad you love me for real. Daddy doesn't really love me, does he? I know you are protecting me when you tell me daddy loves me. All I ever hear him say is 'do you love daddy?'. Mommy, its ok. I know you have more than enough love for me. I can tell because you are so sweet when you tuck me in at night and when you read me stories and sing me songs. I'm glad I have a mommy with such a big heart. God knew what he was doing when he gave me a mommy with extra love since my daddy can't give me real love - he can only pretend. You don't pretend when you love me. But you do a great job playing pretend with me and my toys on the floor. I really like that. Daddy never does that. I really love you mommy and it makes me so happy when you give me real love. I may be just a kid but I know when someone really loves me and when they are just pretending. Thank you mommy! I love you! X0X0 YOU TELL LIES LIKE A CHILD SPEAKS THE TRUTH SO GOOD YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW ~LISA SCOTT~(go to music tab) nolongercontrolled
Oct 23 - 3PM
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hey Malloryforest, you sound

hey Malloryforest, you sound a truly amazing woman, to have gone through all this and still looked after your three little children and coped. Well done. Don't have to say what I think of the complete spineless pathetic man other than, I'm so glad you're out. What an inspiration you are, thank you x

Ending the dance

Oct 23 - 9PM (Reply to #21)
malloryforest
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Another path

I just read your story, and you sound like an amazing woman ho held her kids together through the emotional and physical abuse of your Ex. The process of recovery is sureal at times. For a few months, you can be doing fine, and then for whatever reason, find yourself in the midst of so much turmoil. We just need to keep picking ourselves up and pushing for the health and safety of ourselves and our children. Every morning, I look at my children and make a commitment to them. I agree with you. I don't encourage my children's relationship with their father, but I also don't discourage it. I try to protect the kids, have them meet with a therapist weekly, and I try to be the best support and role model I can be for them. I try to validate their feelings, celebrate their individuality, give them a strong sense of spirituality and connection to something greater than themselves. I try to give them stability, boundaries, and overall a safe place full of love. Our ex's a very pathetic, nonhuman individuals. I can't believe yours wants more children. Fortunately mine is probably snipped at this point. Yeah! He can't reproduce. Thank you for your support. I wish you well too.
Apr 28 - 4PM
Barbara (not verified)
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wow - same guy?

Sometimes it seems that we are all married to the same or VERY similar guys. This is what makes their Narcissism DEFINED PATHOLOGY - because it follows a pattern. exNH told me: I didn't fold laundry right I didn't wash laundry right (he goes to a laundromat now) I didn't do the dishes or put them away right (he got a dishwasher 24 hours after we moved apart) I sweat when I sleep (I am disabled and on medication) He would PUSH me to the very EDGE of the bed in sleep and then say it was me (now that we are apart I NEVER have this problem) I can't cook (the kids REFUSE to eat his cooking because he never ever takes them into consideration and FORCES them to eat some pretty disgusting things) I can't clean (I am disabled and have to do things piecemeal) I am lazy (you can't be a "single" mother and be lazy. And some of my meds make me very sleepy) I was a nymphomaniac (we had sex maybe ONE TIME a year for the last 10 years of our marriage - and I had to initiate every single time) I used him for his sperm and wallet No A/C because he hates it Tried to charge me with Munchausen's by Proxy for getting treatment for one of our kids' asthma (she inherited it FROM HIM!) I posted here about how he told a marriage counselor I put a CURSE on him. LOL! In his mind, HE was allowed LOADS of idiosyncrasies - I was allowed NONE. This was posted on another of the forums I'm on (you have to register but it's free) DEAR BYSTANDERS & PSYCHOPATH CHEERLEADERS http://saferelationshipsmagazine.com/forum/index.php?topic=169.0 In short NOT A DAMN THING I did was right yet he has BEGGED me to come back many times. Feh! When you are removed completely from the situation it usually takes about 18 months for others to start to see them for what they are (if they see at all) ~~~~~~~~~~~~ Free articles & information for abuse victims: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Cost-Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
Apr 28 - 5PM
Barbara (not verified)
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Narcs + Children

My children have told me "we love Dad but we don't LIKE him." That's huge. Both of them have called him MEAN. He's very dictatorial and robotic. After reading WOMEN WHO LOVE PSYCHOPATHS I knew he wasn't P but a full blown N. I wondered because exNH isn't criminal, no affairs but just very controlling, critical, etc. Mallory, your guy (as Lisa said) sounds like a TEXTBOOK Narcissist. It's ALL ABOUT HIM and his needs. It's truly sick. Especially when it comes to children. I spend a great deal of time with my kids and they know I love them and they trust me. I had a NarcMother so I know how important it is that I be there for them and take care of myself too in a non-selfish way. Here's a list of Narc characteristics Mallory. No you aren't losing your mind. Narcs make their partners feel crazy but you are not. Once you get away from him - it will be a few months but you will start to feel so much better. I know my children are happiest when exNH isn't around - and they have told me so many times. I believe that Narcs don't like that children take the attention away from them or use them to get attention. Like everyone in their lives - children, spouses, etc - are OBJECTS to them. Go back over the last few weeks of messages on the messageboard here. You will gain a lot of solace. 1. Self-centered. His needs are paramount. 2. No remorse for mistakes or misdeeds. 3. Unreliable, undependable. 4. Does not care about the consequences of his actions. 5. Projects faults on to others. High blaming behavior; never his fault. 6. Little if any conscience. 7. Insensitive to needs and feelings of others. 8. Has a good front (persona) to impress and exploit others. 9. Low stress tolerance. Easy to anger and rage. 10. People are to be manipulated for his needs. 11. Rationalizes easily. Twists conversation to his gain at other’s expense. If trapped, keeps talking, changes the subject or gets angry. 12. Pathological lying. 13. Tremendous need to control situations, conversations, others. 14. No real values. Mostly situational. 15. Often perceived as caring and understanding and uses this to manipulate. 16. Angry, mercurial, moods. 17. Uses sex to control 18. Does not share ideas, feelings, emotions. 19. Conversation controller. Must have the first and last word. 20. Is very slow to forgive others. Hangs onto resentment. 21. Secret life. Hides money, friends, activities. 22. Likes annoying others. Likes to create chaos and disrupt for no reason. 23. Moody - switches from nice guy to anger without much provocation. 24. Repeatedly fails to honor financial obligations. 25. Seldom expresses appreciation. 26. Grandiose. Convinced he knows more than others and is correct in all he does. 27. Lacks ability to see how he comes across to others. Defensive when confronted with his behavior. Never his fault. 28. Can get emotional, tearful. This is about show or frustration rather than sorrow. 29. He breaks woman's spirits to keep them dependent. 30. Needs threats, intimidations to keep others close to him. 31. Sabotages partner. Wants her to be happy only through him and to have few or no outside interests and acquaintances. 32. Highly contradictory. 33. Convincing. Must convince people to side with him. 34. Hides his real self. Always “on” 35. Kind only if he's getting from you what he wants. 36. He has to be right. He has to win. He has to look good. 37. He announces, not discusses. He tells, not asks. 38. Does not discuss openly, has a hidden agenda. 39. Controls money of others but spends freely on himself. 40. Unilateral condition of, "I'm OK and justified so I don't need to hear your position or ideas" 41. Always feels misunderstood. 42. You feel miserable with this person. He drains you. 43. Does not listen because he does not care. 44. His feelings are discussed, not the partners. 45. Is not interested in problem-solving. 46. Very good at reading people, so he can manipulate them. Sometimes called gaslighting. More good stuff for you here: http://www.echo.me.uk/npd.htm
Apr 28 - 8AM
startnew (not verified)
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Thanks for sharing

Thanks so much for sharing. It is so tough when there are kids involved. My husband has absolutely no bond or attachment to our son, but now he is totally using him as a pawn. The only time he has ever acted a bit like a father is when there has been an audience. Now that we are separated he feels like he has a huge audience. So, he takes him on Saturdays (supervised by his Dad or Mom. I am kinda lucky in a sense, because he has epilepsy [that he has made seem worse than it is and even had 2 elective brain surgeries to put himself more on display] so I can play that card about him not being alone with our child or driving him, but that's a whole other story) and takes some photos just so he can put them up on Facebook to show off! What's interesting about the photos is that any photo that shows nurturing holding or feeding is always of my son's grandparent(s) with him. My husband is just posing in the photos cause he thinks he is such hot stuff---blah!!! Makes my skin crawl just to think of it... Good luck to you. I am just about to file for divorce. Want to ask him if he would be willing to file jointly, just as a gesture...I know he won't go for it. But, he'll play the accuse of religion and all that and make me out to be the bad guy...the selfish and abusive one!!! Anyways, once he ignores, avoids or yells at me (not sure which tactic he'll take) I guess I'll start the filing process with my attorney and serve him with papers. I'm still stuck on this, though...not sure which would be the better choice... Maybe I can ask my attorney if he would ask my husband about the joint idea...hmmm...
Apr 28 - 6AM
Barbara (not verified)
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mallory

you poor girl - you do know he's PROJECTING all the awful things he's saying to you, right? You are NONE of those things. NONE of this was your fault - it was all HIM! What a lowlife - believe me he will do to the next woman the SAME THINGS. My exNH told me I 'used him for sperm' too. Sick - truly sick. You might want to get a hold of a book called SPLITTING to help you thru the divorce: http://www.bpdcentral.com/bks/spy.php You are in the driver's seat. Tell your attorney you want him to PAY for everything; including any court costs that are DELAYS on HIS part. That will speed things up a little. Do NOT speak to him - only through your attorney. If he comes to see the kids - make conversation "business only". The minute he starts blaming you? WALK AWAY! TELL YOUR ATTORNEY YOU ONLY WANT SUPERVISED VISITATION! I wouldn't leave this jerk alone with children for a second. You hang in there and come vent here when you need to. Keep a journal of date, time, what he said - it will come in handy in court. He's abusing you - that's MENTAL CRUELTY and is usually admissible in divorce cases! Here's some reading for you: http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/04/01/narcissists-purposely-make-divorce-breakups-very-ugly http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/03/30/7-deadly-mistakes-victims-make-their-divorce-lawyers Go back a few pages in the message board here and read some old threads - you will find solace that you are NOT alone! ~~~~~~~~~~ SKILLS FOR DEALING WITH NARCISSISM by Bruce Gregory, Ph.D Most people feel victimized by narcissistic forces and narcissists. This is because they have felt consistently oppressed, suppressed, or frustrated by narcissistic forces This becomes problematic in terms of achieving sustainability. When one is in a "victim state," one sees the oppressor as the enemy, as the one with the power, and as a result, the victim is easily manipulated into frustration and anger. The narcissist will utilize this dynamic to incite people into emotional states which can be exploited into distractions from the core issues. Skills for dealing with attempts to intimidate can be divided into two areas, intrapersonal and interpersonal. Intrapersonally, it is essential not to react. This means that reactions of fear, impatience, or anger are not practical. In their place should be patience and curiosity. On an interpersonal level, responses and questions like, "that's interesting; could you explain that?; or, "I am not clear about that; would you please clarify (or elaborate)?; or, "it seems like there is a contradiction in your logic." All of these can generate positive results in terms of reducing the control of the narcissistic forces. This is done through the non-reaction, which communicates, "you are not so powerful that you can manipulate me, or us, and distract us from the issue. It is also done through the questions which communicate, "I/we are not afraid of you; we are not leaving the space/situation to your control alone; we will challenge you if necessary; you cannot win through intimidation or disinformation." Excellent individual emotional boundaries are so critical for dealing with narcissism.These emotional boundaries prevent the force of the narcissism emotions from throwing an individual off balance. The emotional boundaries are also helpful in not taking the narcissism's actions or positions personally. The narcissist, consumed and driven by the grandiosity, feels responsible for everything; therefore, all failures, frustrations, and disappointments are its fault, and are directed personally at it. In interacting with narcissism, one does not want to fall into the narcissist's world and take what is going on personally. Narcissism's actions are indiscriminate. They are directed toward any object, person or group that threatens its control, domination and grandiosity. An excellent emotional boundary system does not allow the force of another person's emotions to penetrate one's own personal space. http://www.narcissisticabuse.com/goingcrazy.html
Apr 28 - 8AM (Reply to #2)
malloryforest
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questioning my sanity

Thank you for your response. Everyday I question my sanity and perspective. I wonder if maybe I was a crappy wife, if she is better than me, if he is normal and I am bad. I know that sounds pathetic, but it is true. I think maybe he isn't a narcissist, and I am just using the label to help me deal with hurtful behavior I deserve. In my heart I know I am a loving caring person. I believe I am a great mom, but my self esteem has been terribly eroded. This may sound like a stupid question, but does his behavior qualify as narcissism?
Apr 28 - 9AM (Reply to #16)
startnew (not verified)
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questioning

Mallory, Yes, you are not asking a stupid question. I feel the same way sometimes. It is such a roller coaster!!! Be strong you are doing the right thing and no you are not labeling him wrong!
Apr 28 - 9AM (Reply to #3)
quietude (not verified)
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sanity

Mallory...your story just breaks my heart. I wanted to emphasize that YOU are not the problem, HE is. You're not asking a stupid question, it's a great question...you are starting to break from the fog he's got you in - he sure sounds like a Narc to me: Parading an affair right in front of you - lack of empathy, no respect Blames you for everything - projecting all of his BS onto you Separating and then he decides he needs you back - erratic behavior, causes confusion, manipulation...etc etc! I've questioned myself too before, and it wasn't until I started reading a LOT and getting support that I realized WHAT he was, and how he was totally screwing with my mind for his own gain...not considering at all what might have been happening to me. I'm still trying to understand it in some ways. Just know that you don't deserve any of it, there is help out there for you, and a MUCH better existence without this JERK.
Apr 28 - 10AM (Reply to #4)
malloryforest
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Sons Birthday

Thanks to everyone who has replied. I really appreciate your input. Today is my son's birthday, my son who was born when I found out about my husband's affair. It is a tough day. I woke up in a panic, and have been feeling panicky all morning. I keep on having flashbacks(?) of events that have occurred over the last few years. They leave me sick to my stomache. I guess this should be expected on his birthday, in that it symbolizes the beginning to this emotional nightmare. H called this morning to sing happy birthday to our son. Although it was good for our child, it made me sick. He was on speaker phone, and he kept on saying how beautiful our child is. What I want to understand is how does a father claim to love his children, yet drop them off cross country? Does he really love his kids, if he can so easily let them go? He would claim, he was being selfless and doing it for me, he sacrificed himself and the kids for me. But honestly, he created such a horrible enviroment, I had to leave. I was alone with no friends, no family, and suicidal. I had lost 20 pounds, my hair was falling out, and I was trying to live minute by minute. I would wake up every morning and tell myself that I had to put all this pain aside, and be the best mom I could be for the next 10 hours. Once the kids were asleep, I could breakdown and cry as much as I needed to. I lived like this for eighteen months. To some people, he is such a saint for not fighting me on relocation. I am thrilled that he didn't, but the truth is....he gave up his kids so easily. The kids he professes to love so much now that they are gone. I know popular belief is that kids should be connected to both parents, but sometimes I wonder if that is true. Thanks again to all who have replied.
Apr 28 - 1PM (Reply to #6)
Fawn
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Narcissists & Children

Bless you Mallory, You have had such a rough time. You are doing what is best for your children and yourself, and they will appreciate you and respect you for it someday. It is hard to believe that a father can be so detached emotionally from his children, but I have seen it in my own situation. Remember that the Narcissist only wants people around him who make him feel good, and that includes his own children. Talking on the phone to your children is not parenting, nor is going to birthday parties or amusement parks or buying gifts. Parenting means being there every day for the good times and the bad times, and just the day-to-day grind. Most Narcissists find this too mundane and "normal" to tolerate for too long. They like to be there for the public ceremonies and dance recitals, first communions and graduations because that is for show, not really connecting with your children. My therapist pointed out that my children just "visit" their dad. He isn't really parenting them because he doesn't see them that often (at his request). They know it, I know it, he probably doesn't because he is an idiot. My 14-year-old said that he doesn't act like her father, but like an older teen-aged brother. She also says that he isn't a fit parent and has asked to speak to the judge about her wishes. This is without coaching or prompting from me. She is really disgusted with his selfish behavior and wants to spend the minimum amount of time with him This makes me very sad, because this wasn't my dream of what our family would be like, but I have had to change my expectations of family life. I have created a family with my three kids by putting them first, sticking to a routine, and trying to be honest with them at an age-appropriate level. They know that they mean the World to me, and they are hurt by their father's behavior, but they have me to give them love and stability. I have always heard that a child needs just one connected adult in his/her life to make a difference and I have seen that in my own life and in my 18+ years working with all ages of children. You are that person for your children and sometimes it seems like a huge responsibility, I know. You can do it, you are strong, you are human too. You aren't perfect, but they know that they can count on you.
Apr 28 - 1PM (Reply to #7)
malloryforest
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Ns and children

Thank you. It is comforting to know there is another woman out there who has dealt with with raising children with a narcissist. I am trying so hard to do the best for my children in this situation. My kids are very young. I try to be honest at an age appropriate level, but they are so young there is not much I can say at this age. I just tell them that this is between daddy and mommy, and we are working on it. We both love you kids. I always let the kids know that I will always be there for them. I just don't understand how a person can give up the daily experience of their children. Everyday in their presence is such a gift. I just don't understand.
Oct 23 - 4PM (Reply to #15)
AnotherPath
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I too have small children,

I too have small children, they were two and four when he hospitalised me and got a conviction and left. At first I treated it like a divorce, talked about him a lot and said all the things I thought I should to them. The more I read up about abusers and children, I learned I was doing them a dis-service by acting like this. This was not just a divorce, this was splitting up with a man who had been emotionally, psychologically and physically violent to me which they'd witnessed. He'd also raged at them and treated them badly. I couldn't pretend that this was normal. It's a difficult call. I am a by-stander for their relationship with him now. I don't encourage or discourage anything to do with him. They stay over (now 4 and 6) and I let them tell me whatever they want, I don't ask, it's their journey and their dad all I can do is be a listener watch out for their safety. He's already raged at them recently in a restaurant, the only time he was on his own with them without an audience, my son cried and my daughter hid under a table and he made them leave. As they grow they will have to make the decision about him. I've made mine NC.

Ending the dance

Apr 28 - 1PM (Reply to #8)
startnew (not verified)
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I know!

It is so impossible to understand, isn't it? Good luck! You sound very strong! :-)
Apr 28 - 2PM (Reply to #9)
Fawn
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Hard to Accept

It is so difficult to accept that a father wouldn't want to be there every day. He is missing out on so much. I was completely and utterly FURIOUS with him for several weeks over this. It will be his loss. My older kids are already there. I have a five-year-old too and she is so confused. Since he is sleeping with her former babysitter, she is trying to figure it all out. Here is a typical weekend for my kids when they have visitation with their fabulous father--he tells the older two to find "somewhere else to stay" because he doesn't have anywhere for them to sleep. He drags the five-year-old around to his 23-year-old girlfriend's friend's houses and they all sleep over. OR they stay at some crappy apartment where one of his friends from AA lives. He somehow thinks that this is acceptable! Luckily the state I live in has a law about co-habitation by anyone in the children's presence. I filed contempt charges after the first weekend that he pulled this ridiculous #*** with the kids. My five-year-old comes home and tells me everything. She is really angry and confused, and exhausted of course. I have tried telling him that this is unacceptable and to think of the kids. I have told him and them that what he does on his own time is his own business, but he doesn't hear anything that I say. Right now my only recourse is legal. I let my attorney do his job and have no contact with their dad. He is really screwing up, and no matter how much he lies to himself or anyone else, he knows it. The kids know it. Our friends know it. I finally know it and I don't feel sorry for him anymore. I never planned on raising 3 kids by myself, but that is what I'm doing. You can do it! In many ways my life is easier. I don't have to argue about anything with anyone. I'm in charge of when we eat dinner, what we eat for dinner (last night it was pancakes and ice cream). My kids actually have a more normal life now because when we lived together as a family everything was driven by his schedule, how he wanted to spend money, how we spent the weekend,etc. My kids are now taking dance lessons and trying out for sports and cheerleading for the first time because that wasn't a priority before. THEY weren't a priority before. HE WAS ALWAYS THE PRIORITY. I was exhausted all the time, drained, bitter, and angry because he demanded all of my attention. I can't believe the difference. I'm not saying that it is easy. I actually have to leave town if I want a break and even then my older kids text and call me to complain about him. Last weekend he moved into another crappy apartment, thinking that I will drop the contempt charges, and my 14-year-old sent me a text at 11:30 at night saying, "I have no pillow, no blanket, and there isn't any toilet paper." Unbelievable! Stay strong, get a good support network of friends and/or family and make sure that you do take time for yourself. Go for a walk or take a dance class, let yourself cry sometimes. You will get through this. I am coming back from the depths of sadness, grief, and despair now and I see that it is possible and even desirable to live without him.
Oct 23 - 4PM (Reply to #14)
AnotherPath
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You made me laugh. I know

You made me laugh. I know just what you mean. He's flaunted all his internet gf and new internet friends in front of my kids and he only has them every other saturday night. They're always staying somewhere they don't know. But we have become much closer as a family of three, which I love. But life without him has become.......FANTASTIC. Don't have to listen to the clicking of his mouse all night while he jerked off and had online affairs. Don't have to wash, cook or do ANYTHING for him. Don't have to be ignored for days then told I'm thick and "I just don't like you" Don't have to listen to how bored he is working in IT and it's killing him because he so intelligent and needs to use his brain. Don't have to think about him. Listen to his snoring, or be with a man who had to wear boxers in bed because his arse stank, no joke, he really couldn't be bothered to wash when with me. And when I come in late a night from work I don't dread putting the key in the door and walking in because I know HE is no longer there. BUT the biggest thing........... I don't know what will happen in my life now and I find that exciting........ When I was with him I knew where my life was going and that was soul destroying.

Ending the dance

Apr 28 - 2PM (Reply to #10)
malloryforest
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Single moms

You are so right. Life without them in the house is so much easier. I am no longer walking on eggshells. It was all the little things. So many little things that had to be controlled. Can't put on the AC cause he doesn't like it. Can't watch what shows I want to watch on TV, because he thinks they are stupid. Can't close the window in our bedroom in the middle of the night in the dead of winter even though the baby is freezing, because he can't sleep with closed windows. I am amazed by your strength in raising the three kids on your own. I dread my children going to visit their father back at the old house. I have allowed him to visit the kids at my house as much as he wants, but i don't feel i can let the boys visit at his house. I just can"t imagine what the boys will feel when they walk into their old home to find another woman living with daddy and three kids living in their old bedrooms. There is no transition, just hey...look at my new family kids! one that I don't even want but have to have because I don't want to be alone! I feel like I would be sending the kids off into the lions den. I wish i would never have to do it.
Apr 28 - 10PM (Reply to #13)
Lisa E. Scott
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Kudos to the single moms

I commend you for all you do! I can't imagine how difficult it is to raise kids with a narcissistic father. You all sound so strong and make us all proud! Keep it up!
Apr 28 - 2PM (Reply to #12)
Fawn
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I Understand

I know how hard it is to let them go, but you do need a break. Have you checked into the laws in your state about infants and visitation, co-habitation and visitation, etc.? Once you have some sort of legal arrangement, things will be more clear. They will be more difficult for awhile, I hate to say. My husband has always felt that rules didn't apply to him and that he was above the law. (This is typical for Narcissists). I have had to use legal means to protect myself and my children's emotional health several times. I really dreaded filing for separate maintenance, but it helped so much because it spells out visitation, custody, and child support issues. I stick to the court-advised custodial arrangements, because he can't argue with that. With his most recent ridiculous stunt (i.e. sleeping with the babysitter while the 5-year-old is there, refusing to get an apartment, letting the 5-year-old stay with two chain-smoking alcoholics), I had to file contempt charges. I'm doing it for my kids. Mr. Wonderful's behavior escalated, of course, but now he knows that he is in trouble with the judge. He will have to pay my attorney's fees if he is charged with contempt. I HAVE TO PLAY HARDBALL because he just doesn't care, doesn't get it, whatever. It sounds like your STBX is using your kindness and civility to his advantage. He is banking on the belief that he can do whatever he wants and get away with it. That entitled 5-year-old is showing up. This is incredibly disrespectful to your children, and you, of course. He is still trying to hurt you because just like a 5-year-old, even negative attention is better than no attention at all. Do what you can to make the kids safe, and take care of yourself. The more you focus on him, the happier he is in his sick, twisted way. I read somewhere that if a Narcissist can't be popular or grab everyone's attention by doing something good, he'll settle for being notorious. How old are your boys? How far away did you move? (Probably not far enough), Ha! Hang in there, things will get better, I promise.
Apr 28 - 2PM (Reply to #11)
startnew (not verified)
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Some things are easier

Yes, the realization of what is now easier is very helpful. It is a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel! You mention how you couldn't shut the windows, watch tv, etc...I've been through all that and it is such a good (?) feeling to hear you with the same kind of things...does that make sense? I don't mean to belittle what you went for...just that you are an encouragement to me! I had to take the collar off the dog because the jingle of it bothered him! He would be more violent toward her w/ it on, so I figured it was a good idea to just take it off! I can't believe I was living like that and not even seeing it! It is so nice to not be walking on egg shells!!! Also, money is an issue now in the sense of going through the courts to get support for our son, but it is less of an issue in the sense that I actually bought myself a pair of sunglasses this weekend! Felt so good---only $7.99, but still felt sooo good! :-) Thanks for your stories, everyone, they help me feel less crazy!
Apr 28 - 10AM (Reply to #5)
Lisa E. Scott
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Mallory

Your story breaks my heart. His behavior is so narcissistic, it's textbook. We could do a case study on this guy, he's such a classic narcissist. I want to emphasize what Quietude said because she summed it up perfectly: "Parading an affair right in front of you - lack of empathy, no respect! Blames you for everything - projecting all of his BS onto you! Separating and then he decides he needs you back - erratic behavior, causes confusion, manipulation...etc etc!" At one point or another, we all question whether we are simply putting the label "narcissist" on him to make ourselves feel better. You know why? Because, they spend all their time trying to get us to second guess ourselves....to question ourselves. This is part of the manipulation and brainwashing they do to us. Therefore, it is inevitable we will question ourselves about this. Bottom line is this guy's behavior is off-the-charts narcissistic. He spends time with his son, but then expolits him in photos he posts on Facebook to make himself look good. He is a sick man and I can't believe he put you through what he did. You never should have had to endure that. Stay strong and don't question yourself. You know you are better off without him and you know there's nothing you could have done to fix the relationship. This man is sick and incapable of change. Stay strong and know we are always here for you. Big Hugs,Lisa