Plate Spinning

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#1 Oct 17 - 7AM
MsVulcan500
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Plate Spinning

I am copying this from an earlier post by Loveofmylife, because I think it is a really good analogy of how these guys operate. They have to have constant supply, and it doesn't matter where it comes from.

Cynthia's post about "how they operate" is so good, and reminded me of something my counselor told me that I'd thought I'd share.

When the "email incident" occurred about 5 - 6 months ago, and I was horrified that he had probably 6 - 8 full blown relationships going on at the same time (all different kinds of full blown), I started talking to my counselor again to try to understand what was going on, and how could I have been so fooled.

Of course, my first question to her was - "is this normal???" "do guys act like this at this age, and I'm just naive???"

She said:
- no, this is not normal behavior.
- I can't tell from what you are telling me if he is a sexual addict, but there is something very off here.
- It is like he is one of those circus acts, spinning a dozen plates in the air on poles. And he has to keep all of the plates spinning. So when one plate slows down, he has to pay attention to it and keep it spinning again. And occasionally a plate will drop, but it is not that big of a deal. He needs to forget about that one and keep all of the other plates spinning.

This is the best mental picture of how these men work.

It is also an interesting analogy because it reinforces that their women (plates) are just objects and they are all the same and they are all replaceable. When I found him out and confronted him, I was the plate that broke and he had to forget about me.

But then he tries to resurrect it (because I do provide value to him). He calls like he did the other night and talked to me for 45 minutes just about stuff and helping me with the issues I'm dealing with. Its like he just has to get that plate spinning again and once he is satisfied that I'll spin for awhile longer, he can move on to the next plate and get it going again. And ignore me until he feels like I am slowing down again. And then the whole crazy cycle starts all over again.

Oct 17 - 2PM
betty2020
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Wow! This is great! Mine

Wow! This is great! Mine broke out the super glue to fix me a few times so I could spin again. Awesome way to look at this Ms. V. Thank you for this post. Yet another great one for the archives.... xoxo only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

only one way to go...Forward (tm?)

Oct 17 - 11AM
faithinthefuture
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WOW

What a great analogy! I'm the plate that broke but I'm going to be the one to put myself together. Thank you
Oct 17 - 11AM (Reply to #2)
gettinbetter
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Just make sure he doesnt

Just make sure he doesnt pick you up again. Like mine did.
Oct 17 - 11AM (Reply to #3)
faithinthefuture
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I won't

I won't let him sick of it. I can't go back to how it was with him. I believed in him for the last time and I know he's never going to change. And I honestly don't think he will. First he's 600 miles away and he's too much of a chicken shit. He KNOWS I KNOW what he's all about. I wouldn't be a good supply for him. :-)
Oct 17 - 10PM (Reply to #15)
onwithmylife
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faithinthefuture

mine is even further away and I, too, think he knows I am on to him and what a fraud he really is................They HATE to be found out!!
Oct 17 - 1PM (Reply to #10)
Briseis
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He can't pick you up without

He can't pick you up without your permission. My first therapist said something to me that I've never forgotten. Probably because she was so "proper" and "professional", and what she said WASN'T :D It is about how we cannot be forced or coerced against our will. Perhaps manhandled, or kidnapped, yes, but our will is still a thing apart. We have to submit a "yes" from within to get picked back up. My therapist said (now this is even too um earthy for me to write without adding asterisks) "You can't f*ck a dry p*ssy."
Oct 17 - 1PM (Reply to #11)
kiwi10
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yeah you can. its just

yeah you can. its just harder.
Oct 17 - 2PM (Reply to #12)
Briseis
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But you aren't going along

But you aren't going along with it. You aren't being fucked. You are being raped. You aren't cooperating, your will is not cooperating. Aside from being raped (overpowered and forced against your will), no man (or woman) can force your WILL to concede. If you concede, you decide to concede. You make the choice. Yes, perhaps under great duress. You perhaps concede because you see no other choices at all, even to fight back. But you, yourself, are "untouchable". Your body may be taken over and forced, but your can stand apart and make choices. This little saying starts falling apart when it gets applied to rape and physical force, though. It's more about regular, interpersonal type stuff. Like when your Narc comes hoovering. He can hoover you and trigger every deep desire in your soul . . . but it is YOU who gives in. He doesn't make you give in. You give in of your own accord. That's SO hard to understand, yet so simple once you get it. It is the essense of freedom from bondage.
Oct 17 - 2PM (Reply to #14)
kiwi10
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that makes sense

i think the big point is now WANT to give in to bondage and to change that part of our brain that is so addicted to the cycle of longing.
Oct 17 - 2PM (Reply to #13)
Used
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briese

absoluetly agree.... the narc can beg, plead coerce so on so on. but it was me ultimatly, who listened and went back yet again...bravo for this.
Oct 17 - 1PM (Reply to #4)
gettinbetter
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oh they always think they

oh they always think they can convert you into one of their disciples. Betcha he tries to come back it may be years from now but I betcha
Oct 17 - 10PM (Reply to #8)
iAmMINE
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sick of it & "comin' back'....

Ya... they may come back in the future... but, *smile* ~~ "in the future" we are MORE "educated", STRONGER, and get to swat them away much like that mosquito buzzin' in our ear during a BBQ ahhhh ~~~ Keep Learning & Keep Healing ~~~ ~~~~~ The best revenge is to survive and be victorious over it. Nobody can take from you what you don't give them, --she said, (taken from my final remarks in a Sync Weekly Magazine article about my art and mySelf

~~~ Keep Learning & Keep Healing ~~~

~~~~~ The best revenge is to survive and be victorious over it. Nobody can take from you what you don't give them.

Oct 17 - 10PM (Reply to #9)
Susan32
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The DMZ Welcome Wagon

I hear about Narcs coming back. I guess when mine comes back.. he'd probably prefer a one-way plane ticket to the DMZ, the most militarized area in the world. There are some beautiful mountains in North Korea, or so I've heard.
Oct 17 - 2PM (Reply to #5)
Briseis
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Sick of it

Agreed!!! But do YOU think he can convert you? Or do you just convert yourself?
Oct 17 - 3PM (Reply to #7)
gettinbetter
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Oh he converts me but I

Oh he converts me but I willingly go. Who doesnt want to believe someone when they tell you they love you.
Oct 17 - 2PM (Reply to #6)
cluelessuntilnow
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Briseis

Interesting question. I think in my case which is similar to Sick of It's we were unaware of what N even was initially until it was too late and we were in the vortex. Now, it is ultimately our responsibility to figure out what our triggers are and our responses to them. They know what is the most inticing bait for us, we just need to heal and protect those parts of us that are up for exploitation. Our weakness that make us vulnerable to them. Unfortunately on this round, we were both unaware of what were were even dealing with. Not the next time. And guaranteed there will be one.