Yes its all an act , it should be a red flag because when a man is like the movies in bed , like Huge Grant and Bill Clinton ( dont ask lol) all rolled into one but is a compleat arse hole to you the rest of the time there is something wrong ,something that doesnt make sence and most things do make sense . I should have listerned to the inner voices when i first thought it was strange .
They learn what to say in bed and how to act the same way they learn to fake empathy or generosity , its sick and it makes me feel used , laughed at and in some ways dirty .
Peru x
My N could never maintain an erection from day one. Sex was always disappointing. I remember after the first time I was thinking "That was the worst sex I've ever had!" It was so frustrating and afterward I regretted having stayed with him. Right before that he had begun to pull his disappearing crap with me and honestly other than curiosity I don't know why I did what I did with him that day. When he dropped me at my house I decided if he never called me again I would care less.
What was funny was around this time I had begun to grow sick of the relationship, it was just another nail in the coffin for me.
So when he stopped calling, I just went about living my life. Well about a week and a half into NC he calls me up ranting asking why haven't I been around or called him. Then he asked me if it had to do with the sex being bad and he ran off with that train of thought. He felt that I didn't any longer if the relationship ended because of his problem. He did admit to staying up the entire night before checking out porn. That really made me want to stay too, lol. It could have been comical at the time if I wasn't so disgusted with him.
I hate those dirty words they make me feel sick and used! My N used to send me texts sometimse and say things "you like my cock in your mouth don't you' and "I want to kiss your c**t". I felt sick and I am glad this memory has been brought up because I am missing him and wanting him today and that has made me - well - not want him!
I hated it but I would delete them and block it out of my mind and only keep the nice loving messages. Guys - does he talk to his girlfriend like that? I'm thinking not. My therapist said that the wives/girlfriends want to be more sexual to their partners and the used whores like me want to be more special. I wanted to be more special I hated him talking like that. I never told him off of course, too under his thumb but I would just make a joke and move on.
As a lover he was actually wonderful. The first few times he would look into my eyes and was very tender, very beautiful and very very loving. His kisses were lovely and deep and he was a good lover and kind and wonderful.
After about a month he would start not looking at me and I guess it became hurried. What is it like in marriage, is it the same? Did it get more hurried and less intimate as time went on? I hated it he was always so nervous about his phone (now I know why - he had a girlfriend) and once he even hopped out of bed to message someone then ccame back to bed and had sex with me. Why did i let those things happen? I had just cooked him a roast dinner and dessert and brought him a bottle of port that night too - we called it our "Port and Pork nights" it was special between us or so I thought.
I gess I am starting to udnerstand the madonna/whore complex. Can anyone help me more with sex in marriage/relationships? Does he not see his girlfriend as sexual is that why he wanted me to be dirty? I am a nice girl and he wanted me to do stuff like play with myself and talk to dirty to him which I never could. He didn't push it though. I was just reminded of those awful messages with those awful words and I feel sick now. Hmm...maybe I am better off without him and can now move on with a DECENT man!
Narcissists do not see women in a healthy way. They are unable to see a woman as cute (i.e. sweet) and sexy at the same time. No, narcissists categorize women into one of two separate categories—saintly or sexy. They have a very difficult time seeing a woman as both. To them, a woman is either one or the other, but never both. This is what psychologists refer to as a Madonna-whore complex.
If a woman is sweet and nice, she is classified as a Madonna. If she challenges him, she is defined as a whore. A Madonna is sexless. A whore turns a narcissist on like nothing else. In the beginning of a relationship, every woman is sexy to a narcissist because the thrill of the chase makes her enticing. The harder to get she plays, the sexier she becomes. However, once she has been conquered by the narcissist, she slowly loses her desirability. The more comfortable the relationship becomes and the more caring she becomes, the less enticing she is to him sexually. She loses her sex appeal and becomes a saintly Madonna figure.
A Madonna fulfills a narcissist’s need to be catered to like a child. A whore fulfills his adult sexual needs. A whore is the only type of woman that turns a narcissist on. A Madonna is completely sexless. Over time, any woman who is good and caring to a narcissist will inevitably become sexless.
Many narcissists revert to pornography at this point, because it portrays women as whores. Pornography is degrading to women, and this is exactly what turns a narcissist on. Many become addicted to pornography.
A narcissist eventually withdraws sexually from any type of intimate relationship you once had with him. I believe it is inevitable in any long-term relationship with a narcissist. You become sexless. You become the Madonna. He still needs you, no doubt. However, this is not because he is in love with you in any adult or mature way. He needs you to continue to cater to his needs. He needs you to ensure that someone will always be present to stroke his ego, should the outside world fall short of his expectations.
A narcissist does not view sex as a reflection of one’s love for another. He views sex as something completely separate from love. To a narcissist, love is sexless, pure, and saintly, whereas sex is dirty and reserved for whores.
Narcissists separate us into one of these two categories. We are either the Madonna (loving and nurturing) or the whore (sexy and alluring), but never both.
It was comforting to know I am not alone in this,although I feel the pain for all of us who have been deprecated emotionally by the N with the Madonna-Whore complex. Prior to my marriage, I always thought of myself as a sensual, sexy woman. After 10 years of marriage, I have feel inadequate, frightened and more like a " granny nightgown" than a silk negligee. We are getting divorced, his idea. He is not attracted to me like a wife, and therefore wants to date other women. What's interesting is the heat of our passion until 2 weeks after the wedding! Can everyone relate? How do I heal?
you heal through getting therapy, reading everything on the MESSAGE BOARD & MY BLOG on this site, talking it out, medication if necessary, listen to our BlogTalkRadio Show and TIME! About 18 months for true relief.
A good book for you is WOMEN WHO LOVE PSYCHOPATHS.
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All I know is that our sex making was like a tier with a small hole in it. Slowly linking air out of the tier until it just went flat altogether. Ironically, the last two years we almost never make any type of physical contact. But to be honest with all the members here, making love was for me getting harder and harder as time went on because I lost all respect for this person. For me it’s very hard to make love to someone if you don’t even like them to begin with.
That's right all I am to him now is a biatch and most of the time nonexistent until he needs someone to pop in on his mom. And no I haven't. I'm always too busy and suggested maybe Michele would rather get to know mommy better : )
Then I go back to being nonexistent biatch again. That's fine by me. Oh I guess I must be sexy because the few nasty comments he's made always insinuate what a whore I am.
Hi Lisa,
Can I just ask about that 20/80 statistic we talked about a while ago? That they are 20% wonderful and 80% - awful!
Does that apply to marriage and girlfriends that stat or is that only for mistresses?
Barbara is right. They eventually treat all women the same, regardless of their role. They use and discard. It's that simple. They will treat a woman good in the beginning to win her over, but once they have control, that ends. The good part of them they initially show us is an act and it's only temporary. It never lasts. You have to break free from this man! He is toxic! You deserve so much better! Big Hugs, Lisa
I will try to answer that until Lisa gets a chance...
cupcake THEY ARE NOT DIFFERENT WITH GIRLFRIENDS/ WIVES vs MISTRESSES Granted, they may put on another 'mask' but their behavior is 20% wonderful (the luring, keeping you hooked, lies lies and then even more lies - all about getting THEIR needs met... stuff) and 80% ABUSE ABUSE ABUSE (mind games, gaslighting, playing with history, changing the subject, accusing you, projecting, undermining and insulting, blame shifting, stock phrases, reward and punishment, creating camps, lying, dredging up the past, putting you on the defensive, invoking fear and anxiety, playing the martyr, demanding reward, winning others, isolating you, creating self doubt in you, making you their dumping ground, meaningless apologies... NEED I GO ON?
(personally its more like 10/90)
THERE IS NOTHING REDEEMING ABOUT THEM. NOTHING!!!
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Thanks Barbara. I just can't get my head around that he treats her the same crap way as me - my therapist said I am delusional and building fantasy out of seeing 2 photos and hearing a couple of stories/ FB wall posts about them.
I really am in a place where I think I am the ONLY one treated like crap but will keep re-reading the posts, your messages and what all the guys are syaing here and hopefully it will infiltrate into my brain soon.
I just seem them holding hands and running off into the sunset together but I know that is jst my fantasy and like so many people have said here NOT reality. I don't wish this on anyone but for my self esteem it is good to know that he doesn't treat any woman differently to me. I wish I could feel that somehow but hearing how much he 'misses her' from what he is telling some mutual friends of ours!
Another question - N's and long distance relationships? I am guessing they love that! When she came here to live with him he did nothng but chase me, he even remoevd her as a FB friend, removed wall posts she would write on his wall and removed any photo tags of her (is she STUPID). Now she has gone he is chasing her and 'missing her' and discarded me, it has flipped over. When she comes back and is in his space again do you think he will only devalue her again?
Hi Cupcake,
As far as I am concerned a long distance relationship is not a proper relationship and it was not what I wanted for myself, although the ex N wanted to keep it that way. As long as it was "long distance" and intermittent meetings, he could maintain the facade of "Mr Nice Guy" and this is what he did for almost a year. Apart from a few weird comments and a continued game of one upmanship, I had no idea he was a narc, even though I had been involved with one many years ago. I can confirm that they (well he at least) love the long distance relationship because they can maintain the facacde for a very long time. Silly me wanted something more real and closer, so I pushed for a more intimate relationship and began to spend more time at his house. Almost as soon as this happened the abuse started. There had not been any real abuse until this point. Within a very short period of time the abuse became intolerable and I called him on it big time and abandoned him - only to go back for him to abandon me. That was three months ago. So yes, I think I can assure you without a doubt that as soon as his other friend is back and in his space, she will be devalued and discarded, probably very quickly. Hope this helps you. I went through everything you are going through with the first N many years ago. With no contact I am now able to look on him quite dispassionately. It is hard going through it all again with the second N but at least I know what he is, which I didn't the first time. The first N has probably gone through many more women since he discarded me, but he is still on his own.
One day Cupcake, some nice and worthwhile man will be lucky to meet you.
Rosy
That helped so much! I just need to hear the words "she will be discarded" so I know I am not worthless. I guess my whole relationship with him was constant game playing to get his attention, making him jealous, having to think of new ideas to make him want me and I'm tired. Real tired.
Can I ask what the weird comments were or just what they were generally about? If you aren't comfortable posting that no worries at all, my N would say weird things - mostly very jealous and possesive which was strange considering he didn't want to be with me.
I'm sorry you were abused and I am sure one day soon some nice and worthwhile man will come down your path too!
Hi Cupcake,
Never let an imbecile decide your worth! You are a priceless gem - a gem amongst gems!!
Aliens walk this earth. Unfortunately they crossed our paths!
To be honest I can't remember many of the weird things he said now (wish I had written them down), but I do remember clearly our second date when we were out for a meal and as we were eating and not talking, he suddenly said "we are both free agents you know".
That statement, looking back, must have been the first missed red flag. It was pointless and inappropriate.
I always think the N gives himself away in what he says and these comments will come out very early in the relationship, so if something someone says seems off, don't ignore it.
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of course he will devalue her eventually. She does NOT have it better - he does NOT "LOVE" her... he's PATHOLOGICAL!! Look how he purposely used you to hurt her... now she's back and he's probably got some other honey on the side to bash her over the head with - the 2 of them probably love playing this sick game and will do so even if they get married (and they won't STAY MARRIED for more than a 2-3 years...) She's a glutton for punishment... I don't care how 'great' the sex is - she's being abused, used for sex, money, status and then tossed aside when he picks up a new plaything. He also gets off on being able to LURE her (and anyone else) back into his web of sex, lies and deceit... That's GROSS! My GOD what a sick piece of dung he is!
This slimebucket obviously loves using triangulation on his targets as it makes HIM look like the 'object of desire' as described in THE ART OF SEDUCTION (what I believe is the sexual narcissist's playbook)
http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com/2006/11/overcoming-triangulation-in-love.html
http://www.seductionbook.com/
your therapist is right - you ARE being SERIOUSLY DELUSIONAL. This is called MAGICAL THINKING and it is toxic as all get out. STOP STOP STOP!
http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com/2009/01/abuse-victims-engage-in-dangerous.html
http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2009/04/11/other-woman-now-hes-happy-her
http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com/2006/10/ten-forms-of-twisted-thinking-from.html
Remember:
Pathology (Narcissism, Socio/ Psychopathy) Is The Inability To:
* change and sustain a change
* grow to any emotional depth or maturity and
* develop meaningful insight about one's own behavior and how it effects others.
- Sandra Brown, MA
INABILITY = INCURABLE = NOT DIFFERENT WITH OTHERS
THE BEST PREDICTOR OF FUTURE BEHAVIOR IS PAST BEHAVIOR when it comes to a pathological. NO MATTER WHO IT'S WITH AND WHETHER IT'S A GIRLFRIEND, LOVER, FIANCE, WIFE, BOSS or CANDLESTICK MAKER...
Is your therapist recommending medication for you? Because this constant toxic thinking is really harmful.
and NO CONTACT!
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Yes, she actually wants to send me to a pyschiatrist now who will recommend the right medication. I can't believe this it is just too much to deal with. Medication and pyschiatrists!! I am a smart normal intelligent woman (or was). Hmm imagine if I married or lived with him I would be suicidal I guess!
Thanks for saying that, it so helps to know maybe there is nohting wrong with me. If I let it in of course he doesn't treat her differently - she is just telling how friends how wonderful he is and how in love she is and how much she is missing him and can't wait until they can be together - they have already eben together 4 years and this stuff sounds hot and heavy like they are in a new relationship.
But again, maybe I am building fantasy out of 'hearing' things or seeing new FB wall posts I have to think of all the weekends he would prefer to be online with me ALL night instead of spending time with her.
My husband never looks at me during sex. He looks away... always. I can't remember the last time he looked at me. He's also always highly embarrassed to ask me to do even the most innocent things. I'm not a prude and I'm willing to do most stuff and certainly everything he's ever asked. I finally figured out -- I'm the "Madonna" and so he feels embarrassed to ask me to do sexual things with him....
Narcissists hate intimacy. Like all of us, they have their needs, however, they abhor intimacy (sexually and not). They categorize women as whore/madonna. It is very easy for them to have sex with the "whore," the "madonna" is at arm's length.
I was married for 23 years. When I was first married (in my early twenties) I kept a diary as to how often we had sex (hardly ever!), I thought by showing him this on paper, he would see that he was neglecting me/us. I had NO CLUE about "narcissism." Do you think it made a difference? He may have given me a moment of his time, however, like everything else, he went back to his "wicked ways." For 23 years, if I approached him, he would moan and groan in a child-like way, but play it out like he was kidding---I didn't ever get it. One time I ignored his wah-wah-wah! and came near him, when this side to him, full of rage came out, and he flung me away, causing me to fall on the floor. There was no remourse, nothing! He had won and I was taught a lesson. That was the last time I went near him again until he initiated it. Drunk---a totally different thing. When he was drunk, he was not inhibited at all.
There is a lot of information on this topic. It plays a role with this disorder.
My N was very much the same way. It was really interesting now that I look at it. He would come onto me and attempt to seduce me, yet pulled back on sex over and over again. I know that was a game. It got me to a fever pitch frenzy panting for me. I knew there were some intimacy issues there. But...I did something he did not expect. I pulled back and seemed disinterested. I really got myself to a place that I didn't care anymore if we had sex or not. It took me a while, but I was not going to let his actions define whether or not I was desirable. I knew I was desireable. He acted confused by my self confidence and immediately came onto me with full fury. He could not stand my detachment. Of course, our first time was magical and he put everything he had into it. It seemed soooo intimate to me. The most intimate sexual experience I had had. He kept this up for a while, but then began his old tricks of push/pull. At this point, I was hooked and wanted him to want me. I approached him, aggressed him. He would back away or seem uninterested. I would just turn it up a notch on him. I felt him trying to control me with this. When he was drinking however, I would call him Don Juan. He turned into this sensuous lover; there to provide for all of my needs. I hated him drunk and loved him drunk all at the same time. Yet, he would get too drunk and sadly couldn't perform anymore. Sad for him. He spouted off towards the end that I will NEVER find a man who pleases me like he does in bed. JUST remember I said that, he retorted! I was feeling a little wicked and I laughed out loud profousely saying, "You are definitely not the only man who has pleased me sexually, and others did so much more reliably. They didn't suffer from EDD." That was really one of the only mean things I ever said to him. He hung up on me. Poor baby. Alcohol will get you every time. You think you are being so cool and your body betrays you. He was so twisted with intimacy and sadly he faked intimacy really really well at some points. Bless his heart; he really just skipped from identity to identity based on what that person was. He tried to be what he thought would keep me for a while. Exhaustive really. I just think it is easier to be oneself.
My narc dumped me just after we had had sex or should i say after he fucked me as that was all it was on this occasion ,He dumped me whilst i was still wearing a towel .This was one of the most disturbing things that has ever happened to me .
We had been invited to a party that evening and i was looking forward to it ,it was his best friends party who at the time i thought was a really nice man .That morning after we had sex he told me he wanted to go to an all night rave and take drugs in london and not go to the party .I was upset as i couldnt go to the party with out him and i was left with nothing to do on a friday night .So i tryed to make him change his mind , his passive agressiveness kicked in and it ended up with him telling me how he couldnt have a relationship with me . He virtualy kicked me out of the house .
When after a few weeks he wanted to see me again i asked him to explane why he had fucked me then dumped me and he said " i was horny"
Jesus wept , and i wept .I can not tell you the shame i felt .
He couldnt even give me a chance to get my clothes on .A man that only the night before was whispering how much he loved me in bed could trun and be so cold ,I think that this coldness then the sweetness is what has done my head in more than anything , it defies human nature , its the world turned upside down ,like Alice through the looking glass .
Peru x
With the risk of being too graphic my narc had cronic premature ejaculation , He was unable to last more than a minute even if we had had sex many times in a row . He had no control .It is with some satisfaction that in the power stuggle that was our relationship at least in the sex department i was the winner as he always failed .I think this drove him nuts . I never was horrible about it , i think i enjoyed it being unsaid so that way i could enjoy his delusion and proberly helped me see through him alot quicker than if the sex was amazing , i wondered just how long we could ingnor the elephant in the room . In the end you would think he was the world greatest lover , in his mind he had twisted reality compleatly on its head and when along way for me to realise there was something very wrong with him . but becuase i went along with it he then began to think i was the delousional one (because deep down he knew he had a problem )so if i thought sex was so great then i must me stupid so he treated me as if i was stupid in every way , if that makes sense . I think it highlights the bubble he lived in ,he could still touch reality but chose not to so when i showed him reality right up close in other behaviours he bolted for the door .Wate a minute ! im thinking aloud here . If i brought reality up close to him in other behaviours maybe in his mind it would have only been a matter of time i would bring up his sexual dysfuntion and that was his biggest fear , his biggest fear because there was no talking himself out of it , it was a fact that he couldnt twist . He would have been cornered , like a rabbit in the headlights .
Maybe this goes along way to explane his insistance on being friends , he is still actively trying me to meet him and go places with him even though i have gone no contact .He still wants me as the madona and that way he gets the best of both world with no acounterbility for his sex issue .This way he can still be God .
I will get to the bottom of things because if i can understand it i can accept it and maybe the hurt will go away .
The thing is in normal life i would have summed this up in the first few weeks with him and i think i did but i got bogged down with the charm and the fantasy , he very quickly learnt to push my buttons so i couldnt see the wood for the trees . EVIL .
Peru x
Well, in the beginning of our (god, how I hate calling it that) relationship. We had sex all the time! She gave me as much as I wanted and I wanted a lot! But things were shakily even in the beginning of our relationship, she would drive me to work (me, a dumb ass) and then pick me up after work, because she promise to look for a job to help pay for the apartment that we moved into together. Which she did but would only (she had two jobs in a very short time) work and then quit for one reason or the other. Anyway, so she had our car (again promising me that she would help to pay for it, car. Which again, she never did) and a couple times didn’t pick me up from work. I had to call my sister to pick me up All these red flags and I didn’t see one???? When after a very short (maybe a few months) time I got sick of her taking the car and going god knows were, not paying for anything like she promised and quitting her jobs. That I kick her ass out! End of relationship right? Wrong. I lost my apartment job and car. Got another car, moved to another town and started working for two jobs. One was part-time. So one merry, merry day, Guess who (out of the blue) shows up Yes my D.C. begging me to give us another chance, how sorry she was about how she (taking responsibility, BS it was a lie) ruin the relationship. Well dear readers, my (nickname for that part of my anatomy) little johnning was doing the thinking that day and I (please someone kill me!) said, Yes.
Well, at least I had sex again, WTF, I am a fool! So this little okay lets try again. Got me were I am at today!!!
Okay so we started dating again. Now we both just went thru a divorce, her was very bad (of course she a NPD, dumb ass) and my was fine, both I and the Ex wife just sit down and talked about it and agree on the divorce and outline all issues concerning both of us. No one got hurt and there was no fighting. So (I and D.C.) agreed in the beginning of that we would wait to marry, which was fine with me. Again the sex was fine but I started feeling like I was doing all the work in bed. She would lay there and let me service her and myself. But sex whenever I wanted (she never would come to me and want or ask for sex) So of course we had a baby, well after the baby came things (still no talk of marries, she didn't push it and neither did I) started to change.
Well, so I gave her another chance in this relationship (just one of many more to come a chance that is) and believe her lies about her ruining our relationship the first time around and working on it to make this relationship work. Again our sex life was pretty good. But as time went by, I notice how I was always the one who would initiate sex. Never in all the many years with her did she ever ask for sex. Also when making love to this woman, I always felt more like self love then a shared love! Well, this lacking for concern for our love life went down hill even more after our first born. ex D.C. wanted to go back to work (part time only of course) after our 2nd child was born. Why? she needed to get out of the home for awhile, not to help with the finance. No she just wanted some alone time. She even after coming home from work (blue collar job) would complain that the other ladies working in the deli would work there for extra money for themselves (lie?) and that their husband paid all the bills. I would reply by saying that is their life not our. Well, dear readers it just like old times again. Yes, I will help pay for the car, apartment and so fore. And I will help raise our children and help with the finance, Right! Guess my ex D.C. lied about working and doing better in this relationship. Well, folks her behavioral and attitude concerning the children and I got worst, year after year. She became more demanding, controlling and more and more nasty. She would lie to the children (God about anything) and me daily. Yes, dear readers NPD do get worst as they age! Our sex life went from great, to worst then worst year after year, until we didn't have any sex at all. God only knows how often she cheated on me. She never work more then a part time job and that's only when she did work. I had to begged, make her pay a bill. And if the children wanted her to buy them something, she would always say go ask your dad.
http://datingpsychos.com/view_psycho.html?psycho_id=680
Hi Perutoo,
I can relate to this problem. The first year I dated my N Boyfriend, every other time we had sex...he could not maintain his ...well...you know...'arousal' so to speak. Even though he was only 45 at the time, I tried to be very gentle and sweet and not be dissappointed about it, as I thought that maybe he had some sort of erectile dysfunction or something, and I would just say something like "that's okay, you must be so tired because you have been working so hard", or 'maybe he had alot on his mind'...anyway, I wanted to be careful not to hurt his ego and thought it would all work out eventually...I really liked him and he seemed so wonderful...(at first)
Little did I know that was a red flag in itself. I have been with my N for 3 years now...we live together...and his inability to keep his arousal every now and then still happens occasionally. The reason for it?...I found out years too late that he masturbates frequently (daily) to porn on the computer (sometimes 3 x a day on weekends)...and he has had a number sexual flirtations & affairs ( usually shortterm)...that leave him sexually spent and dried up...sick!!!! I was absolutely shocked to find out about the affairs...but that is another forum topic!
If I had only known then what I know now....I would have left him fast and run for my life and never looked back...
...now I feel stuck with my own Dr. Jelyll & Mr. Hyde on a roller coaster ride somewhere in between Heaven & Hell...and no matter how hard I have tried...I can't get off his ride and get away...without alot of damage to my self esteem and dignity...either way...stay or go...
I had no idea that my ex-N was addicted to porn. He ALSO had problems in the performance department. I have since found out that he couldn't perform without Viagra due to his extensive self-pleasuring while looking at internet porn. He hid his addiction from me because when we first started dating, I told him about my ex-husbands addiction to it and how it had made me feel. Right before we met, he bought a computer. After we started dating, he starting surfing the internet for porn. I didn't know ANY of this until last week. After I found out about his "Problem", all the puzzle pieces started to fit together. Hmmmm....over-masturbation leads to erectile dysfunction. Wow....go figure.
neveragain
read the top post here:
http://www.lisaescott.com/forum/2008/05/28/are-narcissists-warped-sexually
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Lisa & I talked about this on a number of the radio shows.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/allabout him
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Exploration of sex is not a bad thing, but feeling like a (USED)robot in bed is the worst. Then to be told that it is all you. As if it is the worst thing that could be said, I blush just responding but I know that it is not healthy when you comply for your own healthy exploration of sexual activities but then it is twisted and you have to be told that they are the reason why, but you know in your heart that it was not that great, but was it you? No the N cannot ever be satisfied and will have contempt of you even in the most intimate of circumstances. They try to change everything unsatisfying to be your fault or your even needing them. It is all about them once again, but your sex became his target issue and it works cause it hurts, I think deep down they know it must be them deep down, if this makes any sense at all, I just know that really you are more than likely wonderful in sexual erotica as long as it is healthy. Once my sexuality became a target,I had to explore poetry to gain a healthy sexual identity or sexual erotica, that I know now that I was sexy in every way. Oh God, I hope this makes sense. I would say never mind his delusions, he cannot be fixed. Just focus on you, face the truth, YOUR SEXY, I AM SEXY!
Yes its all an act , it
Peru
My N as a lover
reminds me
Yes, they separate us into two categories!
Help me heal!
how to heal?
Heart,
I'm just a biatch
Lisa - 80/20?
Cupcake
narcissists are narcissists are narcissists
Thanks Barbara - mistresses/wives!
Cupcake
Thanks Rose-Marie!
Cupcake
cupcake - stop the twisted thinking
Twisted!
sexually disconnected
Sex and the Narcissist
Sex and mind games
Also April
Premature ejaculation
Sexual Dysfunction, you bet U!
Sexual Dysfunction
I JUST found out, after SIX months of No Contact
pornography
Advice
sex & the narc
Sex and the N Response to You
Mar1e101