For Those Who Tell You to "Just Get Over It" or "Forgive & Forget"

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For Those Who Tell You to "Just Get Over It" or "Forgive & Forget"

by Kathy Krajco

Forgiveness?

...what about a crime in progress? I'm morally obligated to forgive it, right?

What does that mean? Like, I am under assault by someone committing assault-and-battery against me, and I must sign off on the debt he will owe me when he finishes damaging me? I must "give away my anger"? I must therefore put down that baseball bat and stop defending myself, right?

Well, let's say the Narcissist has already ruined my life. He destroyed a $50,000 professional career (the cost of a college education), calumniating me so badly that I can't get a job anywhere but at the checkout in a convenience store.

He did it 10 years ago. Which means that the Narcissist has by now racked up a debt of $500,000 ($50,000 a year). Plus interest. Plus punitive damages.

But I'm a bad person who fails to "heal" if I haven't forgiven him by now, right?

But let's say I do forgive him now. Am I not forgiving a crime in progress? The ruining of my life? Yes, the crime is in progress until he restores my good name, and he never will. So, am I not forgiving the $50,000 he will be stealing from me next year, and the next, and the next, until I die?

I think I'm beginning to get it. This "forgiveness" business is just "letting him get away with it."

It's bad enough to be unable to do so, but don't try to tell me that I have no right to want to do so.

Aye, laddies, THERE's the pathology! It's those pathological feelings of mine! I must numb them.

So, I get it now: forgiveness is like a drug, a pain-killer. A mental one. It amounts to "acting like it didn't happen."

Yes, let's play Pretend.

All gone. I feel fine now.

That's all you have to do to make a ...crime go away. Just make nothing of it.

Ruining my life was nothing.

I'm going to ask the [therapists & ministers] why they are dehumanizing me, devaluing me all the way to absolute zero, by saying that destroying my car is destroying a thing of value -- but destroying me is nothing.

Though I must forgive him, he need not ask for my forgiveness. He need not give me back my good name or pay even a portion of the damages. He need not even say he's sorry. He need not even admit that it was wrong for him to do that. He need not even admit that he did it!

How come I am the only one who incurs a debt through his deed? I owe him forgiveness, and he owes me nothing.

Indeed, he need not even promise never to do it again.

Like that guy committing assault and battery against me. He does that about once a week. But I must forgive him 70 times 70 times without him ever even promising to stop doing it?

Well then, let's add this up. If it was nothing when she or he did it yesterday, it would be nothing if she or he does it tomorrow too. No penalty = no damages.

YES I AM!

The reason I yelled that is because someone with total contempt for logic, who thinks you negate a truth by simply flatly denying it, is sure to say that I am not letting them do that, as if that is a valid argument in answer. Which is exactly as valid as thinking that you prove the sky is purple simply by saying that it is.

(Psst, if your genetic instincts for survival are so anesthetized that they haven't informed you yet, I have news: some folks are amoral, like precisely the folks who attack you for no reason, so hitting back is the only way to make them stop attacking you. Yes, I'm afraid 'tis so. Sorry, their amorality doesn't take away my right to protect myself from them: it gives me the right to whack them.)

By serially forgiving the serial offender I am letting them offend me, because I am doing nothing to put a stop to it. I am doing nothing to discourage them from doing it more or again. I am not protecting myself. I am not defending myself. This conduct flies in the face of the instinct for self-preservation and therefore violates the Laws of Nature as a perversion of human nature.

That's of all things "healing"? I'd say it sounds more like self-masochism.

Yeah for forgiveness! A great idea invented and loved by all the bad guys in Hell.

By forgiving every offense – for no reason other than that it was committed and hurts me - I am letting them hurt me!

Pardon my incredulity at such craziness. That allows me no more rights than his punching bag has. I mean, to be a good girl, I must thus serve myself up on a platter (the literal meaning of 'be-tray') and deliver myself up to continued victimization = I must bend over it.

Yes, that will make me like myself a lot. I'm being sarcastic, of course. I see that I must thus make me hate myself instead of my abuser. Because I will for sure hate myself for being such an abject worm who just lays down like a doormat to be trampled like that.

And any HUMAN being, any therapist or preacher with one drop of empathy/ humanity in them, knows that. How callous of these "caring" people to tell us we're bad if we don't prostrate ourselves to abuse this way - something that makes any man, woman, or child feel so self-degraded that they hate themselves ever after.

How faithful of me to me. But what happens to your relationship with anyone who betrays you to harm or abuse? Then what happens to your relationship with yourself when you betray yourself?

I'd like to know how any therapist thinks that would be good for a person.

Now for some sanity.

The problem with feelings, like hunger and thirst for justice, anger, and sorrow is NOT that they hurt. They are emotional pain. If you repress them to the subconscious, they drive your behavior from there, without your awareness of what's driving your behavior. You have done nothing but slam the lid down tight on a pressure cooker.

That's when they can explode so you that do do something wrong. If you accept, own, go through your feelings, like any pain they pass.

Then, as time passes, so does the pain. THAT'S healing.

And when the pain of the emotion of anger passes, so does the motivation to right that wrong. ...you should never give up, never surrender, never resign yourself to defeat. Never, never, never. That you must never quit waiting for an opportunity to set the world right-side-up again.

Anyone who thinks that's bad should try thinking right-side-up.

Because forgiveness is for the repentant. To hand it out to the unrepentant is like going up to your neighbor on trash-collection day and saying, "Here, I'll trade you this 12-carot diamond ring for that little baggie of doggie-do."

In some cases, the Narcissist has stolen something of value from you, like your peace of mind or reputation - something you have every right to get back from the damned thief. You stop being a victim when you win justice and get it back, period.

http://narc-attack.blogspot.com/2008/03/healing-and-forgiveness.html

Jan 29 - 10PM
blueeyes
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i sorta agree with this

And I sorta don't. I'm all for holding the predators accountable for their actions and sure as hell so tired of the fact that he took advantage of money (my money). I filled out a victims compensation letter to the judge for financial, emotional and psychological abuse. I have more court dates so idk the outcome and I don't expect to get restitution. I'm mot even focused on it. It's more of a point I'm making to the judge than anything more. What I am focused on is how I allowed this shit continue? How I got myself into this was by allowing him to get what he wants via brainwashing and manipulation. I don't hate him or blame him, I had the money and I had the choices. I made the wrong choices. Now, I suffer temporarily, but I blame my choices. All I can do is correct my wrongs, forgive myself and move forward and make better choices. He was just going with my flow, I let it flow and then abruptly stopped giving. Oh shit, I ranted again so I apologize. I feel strongly in my role in my mess is mine to change. Nobody won here, we all lost.
Jan 29 - 9PM
Briseis
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I really dig Kathy Krajco .

I really dig Kathy Krajco . . . but this last line here makes no sense: In some cases, the Narcissist has stolen something of value from you, like your peace of mind or reputation - something you have every right to get back from the damned thief. You stop being a victim when you win justice and get it back, period. How the hell am I supposed to do that :D ??? It's not like the Narc put my peace of mind in his pocket and took off with it. I'm getting it back but not because I got "justice". I'll never have "justice" in the conventional sense. I stopped being a victim but never got any "justice". Otherwise, I agree with her take on healing and forgiveness. I'm comfortable with NOT forgiving my Narc, and have put things right side up by going NC forever and rebuilding my life from the ground up. I didn't need to forgive him to heal myself . . . but I did need to ACCEPT him, accept what he did and that it was inevitable due to his disorder. By acceptance I do not mean it's OK what he did. Acceptance is not "agreeing with". It's about facing it full strength, what he did and what I did in response. And saying "Yep, that's what happened and it really sucked as$ :P "
Jan 29 - 10PM (Reply to #18)
blueeyes
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lol

Yes Briseis, that too. I didn't read your post befor I ranted. Yes, I agree with you. :)
Jan 29 - 7PM
Amazed
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Bump up..

This is a great post on learning, and not feeling discouraged when people who do not understand what we have been through
Feb 17 - 10PM
narcsurvivor
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My mom subscribes to the

My mom subscribes to the forgive and forget practice but not me. That just ensures someone goes in circles and never moves forward. Last year, my sister (who I believe is a narcissist) called me a "piece of shit" and told me that I'm "no longer her sister." And all because I wouldn't lend her a large sum of money for a lawsuit she was pursuing for which she had court fees to pay. Mind you, I had just quit my job at the time. I also truly believed I wouldn't see the money again. My parents ended up taking her side and all last year, they have plainly demonstrated this in a myriad of ways. To this day, I have decided to keep my distance. But they just don't understand why. My sister refuses to apologize, seeing no wrong. Oh, it's a long story, and I'm trying to write it all out to make sense of it on my personal blog. But I've had to restrict that blog now because of my stupid ex N. However, if anyone wishes to have access to it, please let me know. http://theunfavoritesister.blogspot.com.
Jan 13 - 9PM
JuneBug
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People just do not want to

People just do not want to believe anything too complicated about anybody and relationhips, so I guess if you don't forgive, it must be 'you', you're bitter, etc....it's ok though, its good to know who your friends really are...
Nov 20 - 3PM
Barbara (not verified)
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"Just Get Over It" or "Forgive & Forget"

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"Just Get Over It" or "Forgive & Forget"

No way. I shall never just get over it. "It" has changed my life forever. Forgive...I'm working on this, even after 2 yrs I still working on this since I believe it will help ME move on. Screw him. Forget... NEVER NEVER NEVER. I want to remember this pain, not continue to feel it but remember it all my life so I will NEVER let anyone ever have control over me again! Wow. I sound like a bitch :)
Jan 13 - 9PM (Reply to #12)
aceonelady
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Yes i am one bitch too...

Forgive and forget ...I dont think i can i hope i can give it a place but forgive anfd forget...Never i am not going to sweep the dirt under the carpet....

Aceonelady

Sep 7 - 9PM (Reply to #11)
Barbara (not verified)
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bitch

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Barbara (not verified)
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forgive them? I don't think so!

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Aug 14 - 3PM
Barbara (not verified)
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'forgive and forget' - NOT!

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Aug 3 - 10PM
Barbara (not verified)
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"just get over it" and "forgive & forget"

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Jun 15 - 7PM
Barbara (not verified)
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'just get over it' or 'forgive and forget'

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Barbara (not verified)
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I am in absolute agreement with this article

Sometimes I almost slap people who tell me to "forgive" Psycho-Boy. He's never apologized. His wife has helped harass me and he's had his friends hack my blogs. It's an ongoing crime. He's done nothing but blame, smear and attack. I still care for him but there's no way I am going to forgive the abuse. And the lady who wrote this? was a friend of mine until she passed away last year. She was an adult child of a narcissist and the victim of a narcissist. Here ya' go ladies, something for a Saturday night: http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/j/jo_dee_messina/my_give_a_damns_busted.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~ My site: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Free articles & information on surviving & understanding abusive behavior. Updated daily.
Sep 7 - 9PM (Reply to #5)
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Forgive & Forget?

I agree....Someone has to acknowledge what they did and recognize the damage AND sincerely ask to be forgiven. This will NEVER happen because they are always right or they conveniently forget what they have done or said. My wife left me 14 months ago, filed for divorce 12 months ago and will not finish the paperwork to finish the process because she has "Hope" that things will work out......I am sure that she is only searching for a new source who will tolerate her before finally releasing me from this mental prison. Eventually I will forget about her but I will never forgive her.
Apr 4 - 11PM
ms_jeeves
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Wow!

Wow!
Apr 4 - 9PM
cassiemay
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same

rhanks, CM
Jan 13 - 4PM (Reply to #2)
Barbara (not verified)
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must we "forgive & forget?"

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