Very hurt and need you

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#1 Jan 7 - 9AM
Winter
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Very hurt and need you

I consider myself being almost totally healed from the narc. I want to share something which is not directly narc related. As many members who have been NC for a long time and who are analysing “their part” in it, I am trying to understand what is there in me which made me doubt myself and not protecting my boundaries. I am also trying to better understand my reactions, to find out their roots in order to be able to find some copying strategy.

Today I am in pain. I don’t understand why. I ask you to help me. I believe it has to do something in common with my narc experience, but I cannot put my finger on it.

So, the situation in brief: I am currently working on a project for a client. The person I am dealing with (let’s call him X)has a reputation of not being very kind and polite. I acted always nice and professional, I have walked extra miles to make the project to be a success and I know that my work is very appreciated by the company management. Yesterday I found out a mistake and shared my point of view with X. X replied me it was not a mistake. However, I knew it was and I sent him the official government document, which validate my point of view. His reply was very rude: “don’t overanalyze what you don’t understand, this is how it should be. ” I was outraged, but wrote a very professional answer saying that this is my responsibility to analyse and that I will follow his instructions if this is what he wants, but my role is to advise him that this is wrong. I copied all the management team. Few minutes later, I got an answer from a manager saying to X that I was right. Another half an hour later he wrote “ok, you are right, I never heard about it”. Then a manager wrote me that X came to him to apologize and said he was sorry, but he is under stress and bla bla bla.
To make the long story short: I won 100% staying very professional, everyone is taking my side, he is ashamed because of his incompetency (which I showed to his direction) and his non-professional behaviour. What should I wish for more???

And still I am very hurt. And you know, my deep inside, almost unconscious negative self talk is the following: “Winter, it is all your fault if people behave this way with you. You cannot come across as person who protect his boundaries. You don’t make people respect you. No wonder the narc did not respect you either.” This constant self blame (lack of self love?) is not helpful when dealing with narcs. This is why I think it is important to share this with you.

I believe this is my pattern of feeling hurt. And I am so damn hurt right now. I started feeling anxiety, almost shaking. The feeling is similar (if not identical) to the one I experienced when was D&D ed and poorly treated. When I think logically, I never allowed the narc or anyone else to really step over me, but the very possibility of someone treating me like that makes me think it is all my fault. And I do suffer.

I have nobody else to share what I am going through right now. I know they will say: “Stop overanalyzing”. But I can’t.

I really need your wisdom and feedback. I am confused and I cannot really explain, but I feel there is something in this reaction which makes me vulnerable to narcs. Thank you.

Love

Winter

Jan 7 - 7PM
Journey
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Hi Winter, I've read the

Hi Winter, I've read the comments here, so much good advice. One thing that I know triggers me in similar situations, is a feeling of wanting approval - especially from assholes (go figure!!) As if an asshole's approval would mean more to me than a nice, normal person's would. I think it has something to do with all the times in our lives when we've been mistreated, from grade school through to our narc relationships. Assholes are everywhere (narc or not) and if we think back to our early years in school and in the playgrounds, when the assholes during those days approved of us, we felt better about ourselves. As we grow up, we forget the impact of that and move on from feeling like we need that approval. BUT, I know the hardest parts of my relationship with exN was when I felt I didn't have his - even when I KNEW he was the one in the 'wrong'. Anyway, maybe not relevant for you, but another perspective to consider. I don't think it is a flaw in how strong our self esteem is now, but a trigger back to the days before our self esteem had a chance to really develop. Just a thought.

Journey on...

Jan 7 - 2PM
foreverfun1
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hi winter

ugh what a jerk he is. you have a right to be hurt, he disrespected you and that devalues you. Also he didn't even apologize to you directly, very passive-aggressive move on his part. he is childish and prideful. i think it is normal to be offended. well perhaps u are feeling it a little bit harder due to ptsd but that's totally NORMAL so don't feel bad about feeling bad. talking about it was smart. you will be better soon. you're so cool and smart. he's another baby/narc spreading misery wherever he feels threatened.
Jan 7 - 2PM
Jelickuk
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You took a full on attack

You took a full on attack that challenged your professional and personal integrity. This probably mirrored your internal works too, so outside and inside was on the attack. That hurts But you stood firm and was true to yourself and your knowledge. That is one hell of an accomplishment. You withstood an atom bomb and are now dealing with the fallout. No matter how many storms we weather, the thunder still makes the ground shake
Jan 7 - 2PM
prettypeeved
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I think that was incredibly

I think that was incredibly professional behaviour on your part and you did a fantastic job. I would consider (from an outsider's perspective) that to be a perfect outcome. It sounds like your inner critic needs a bit of work though. You're doing a great job, but your inner critic is overlooking that. Somehow you need to ensure your inner critic knows its place. Is it that you feel guilty that you treated X in a way that you think is aggressive? That would be my kind of reaction, I'd be worrying that I was being mean even though I was really being professional!
Jan 7 - 11AM
kungpowcat
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wow, hon, I am impressed with

wow, hon, I am impressed with you standing up for yourself and remaining professional! I think you might just be shaky from enforcing boundaries and expecting some abuse. But what you got was support from everyone who works around you.
Jan 7 - 11AM
bernadette
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Feedback

Dear Winter, I follow your support to everyone on this blog for some weeks....so, I'am very convinced you have wisdom!! So you already know that X is not a kind person...You react nice, responsible and profesional..and mr. X not( otherwise he would have apologize to you)... Why is this person so important for you? And you already know from your dealing with other people round your xN, :"having right is not always getting right" again..all power to you, bernadette
Jan 7 - 11AM
tresor2
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Winter, Office politics & N wounds

I can 100% relate to your struggle. I know firsthand what it's like working for/with N's/assholes in a government job. In my job, I eventually learned that it was my job to point out discrepanices but, it was not my job to force the issue. I learned not to care about the outcome, once I had done what was ethically correct. I think you know this but, X's response had nothing to do with you...it had to do with his ego/pride and the need to be right. It had nothing to do with him not respecting you or anything else. He was simply trying to save his ass. A good defense is a strong offense. I'm not sure how long you have out but, it sounds that your unresolved wounds were triggered...issues with rejection and invalidation, just as they were during the N relationship. All of this is not about N or X; it's about you working through your original injuries so that they cannot be reopened/triggered via your relationships. When we have core beliefs of being unworthy, not good enough, defective, etc. it affects all aspects of our lives, as we unconsciously project ourselves to others through energy and behaviors. Working with a therapist/hynotherapist is the best way to work on it. You have choices on how to react/think about events. For example: 1.Event: Verbally attacked for pointing out error 2.Belief: It's my fault and people have never respected me 3.Consequence: I feel hurt and rejected 4.Dispute your belief based on FACTS: It's not my fault. I respect myself and what others think is not in my control nor, does it matter 5. New feeling: I feel good about how I handled it. I'm sorry he got his ego hurt but, not my problem. Then move on. Your beliefs are faulty and are not based on FACT. Challenge them! There are so many things you can work on. Mindfulness practices, meditation, and other soothing practices can help. The most important thing is to find a healthy outlet for your feelings. Internalizing them will only lead to dis-ease. Learn to "Stay in Your Lane" and to not get attached to outcomes. THE ONLY THING IN LIFE THAT ANY OF US CAN CONTROL IS OURSELVES. Keep working on yourself. You're asking and contemplating many important questions.
Jan 7 - 11AM
Hunter
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Winter

This was a work related Narc attack.. They are in every corner.. You set boundaries and came out a winner.. Just like when the relationship narc .. Pulls the same crap you begin to second guess yourself. Analyzing this is a good thing .. It's a process and your stealing healing.. This experience has triggered you.. That's all.. Stand Strong Hunter
Jan 7 - 11AM
walking_on_sunshine
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hurt or fear

The reaction/feeling that came to me from this was actually fear, not hurt. If I were in your shoes, I would feel weary, apprehensive, nervous, on guard, fight or flight, protective. Feelings more along the line of " this is a narc, and narc = pain, prepare to defend myself". Possibly the whole idea of having to defend myself might make me depressed because I don't want to be reminded that dirty charcters exist. I learned in one of my classes in school that adrenalin intensifies any emotion you experience. So, if you were hurt from the reality that there is yet another shady creature to add to the collection, then if you also feared him, the hurt would amplify from the adrenalin. Just my interpretation, could be wrong but thats how i would feel.
Jan 7 - 10AM
aquabella
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This happened to me once with

This happened to me once with a narc boss. She lied about something that made me look bad and I exposed her for doing so. She tried shaming me for "throwing her under the bus" and "not being a team player, but I would not back down and it is the best job I've done of standing up for myself that I can remember. You handled the situation beautifully! The way you handled it shows how strong you are becoming. It still hurts when people think they can walk on you, but your brilliant reaction to it will cause this guy, and anyone else on the email thread, to think long and hard about pulling any f*ckery with you my dear. Great job!!! Xoxo Lynn
Jan 7 - 10AM
GeorgiaGirl
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Winter

When I first started standing up for myself and enforcing boundaries I would get that shakey, overwhelmed feeling that you describe. I was scared to death of other people's reaction to the "new me" and what the fallout would be. I had never stood up for myself in any aspect of my life so the idea of being a strong person was totally foreign to me. What I realized is that people will adjust and it is ok to NOT let people walk all over me. People that I interact with have newfound respect for me and treat me more as an equal than a doormat they can walk on. The fallout that I so feared never happened...no one snuck around the corner to smack me in the back of the head for being good to me!! This guy you had the run-in with sounds like a narc or has strong narc tendencies. His willingness to totally disregard what you advised him of and then his victim-role once the truth was revealed scream narc. You absolutely handled this like a true professional and great job for standing up for what is right! I think your feelings now are partly from standing up for yourself (and feeling guilty for it) and partly because this narc triggered you. Narcs really are everywhere!
Jan 7 - 1PM (Reply to #25)
jackguy
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Grief triggered after enforcing boundaries

I have had this experience of feeling grief after enforcing boundaries...I think it's triggering and there's that feeling of grief that you have to FIGHT to have your voice to be heard...and the feeling that you are going to be rejected for being yourself...which we often can be...but I think in time we care less and find it less triggering and get more feelings of self-respect and dignity from it
Jan 7 - 11AM (Reply to #20)
Winter
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GG

I think you are so right! Am I triggered because it was my first afternarc experience with a narc? And it uncounsiously recalled my recent narc experience? Hmm... Interesting perspective... I think I was trying to avoid thinking about it. That would mean my scars will never heal? And I so much want to believe in the opposite. Is it what made me feel anxious? Wow, GG! Thank you for your deep insight! I pm-ed you.
Jan 7 - 7PM (Reply to #24)
Journey
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No Winter, it doesn't mean

No Winter, it doesn't mean your scars will never heal... it just means your scars are still tender - that is SO NORMAL!! xo

Journey on...

Jan 7 - 12PM (Reply to #23)
TNR1
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Hey Winter...sounds like you

Hey Winter...sounds like you are already getting some marvelous advice. Could it be that you have some wounds from your childhood that could be getting triggered by this man? I know that my "after Narc encounter" reactions are always going to be less adult than if I am dealing with a Non Narc because of the old messages and insecurities I have left over from childhood. Until I can really address those childhood wounds...I don't expect myself to be completely healed and will have to be on my guard for Narcs. I find journalling to be very healing as it allows me to explore the feelings further and try to determine the root cause.
Jan 7 - 11AM (Reply to #22)
GeorgiaGirl
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PM

I'm headed to check it now
Jan 7 - 11AM (Reply to #21)
GeorgiaGirl
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You are truly

still very early days in your healing Winter. You may feel nearly healed but this experience shows there are still issues to be worked through. This is not a bad thing at all! It just serves as a reminder that this is an "onion recovery"...we have to peel back one layer at a time. You were triggered simply because this person is a narc and your radar is working perfectly! Yeah, you!!! This is a very good sign and shows how far you HAVE come in your recovery. Being triggered always brings back aspects of your ex-narc experience as well as the new narc experience so you are having a flood of "stuff" to process. I do think you used the word "hurt" rather than the real feeling of "fear". Its scary to realize you work that closely with someone who could damage you like your ex-narc did. But you are healing, much more aware and have great boundaries for dealing with this new narc. This is something to remind yourself of whenever you get that overwhelmed, scary, anxious feeling again. You can say to yourself, "I'm ok, I know what this person is, I am strong and I will get through this". And you will! Your scars will heal, Winter. It takes time and your continued effort to work the steps and heal. This path forward is a journey...not a sprint to the finish. We have to confront and work through each issue as it shows itself to us. You are doing it and doing it well!
Jan 7 - 10AM
peaches
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Keep up the good work

Sometimes it's hard to do a good job. You were fullfilling your responsibilities. It's his problem that he couldn't take the correction. Don't take it on. I think it's great that you copied others on it. You exposed his transgression and he had to be accountable. You didn't hide his dirty little secret. Let it be his problem, not yours. Your skin will get thicker and doing the right thing will get more comfortalbe.
Jan 7 - 10AM (Reply to #18)
Winter
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Thank you Peaches

I can't wait my skin to get thicker! I was waiting for 41 years now. Maybe I need a skin transpalntation :) So tired of myself!
Jan 7 - 10AM
ruby01 (not verified)
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Winter

From what you have written here, it seems the truth is quite the opposite of your feelings, which are real. This man did not want to accept the fact that he was wrong. It was proven to him that he was. You didn't accuse or try to belittle him in any way, you merely showed him the truth behind your statements by presenting him with the undeniable facts. Backed by others as well. How he handled it was quite the opposite. He took it as a personal attack on himself by you. Don't own his shortcomings. Try not to mistake his unconsciousness as yours. You do not have to defend yourself on any deep and meaningful level because he operates on a superficial one. I think you did swimmingly! Why do you feel differently?
Jan 7 - 10AM (Reply to #10)
Winter
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Ruby, dear

You are absolutely right. This is exactly what I am asking myself... "why do I feel differently", "where this pain come from?" Ok, yesterday it was fresh and I was outraged. I said to myself: "tomorrow you will be fine". I had a very bad night and today I don't feel any better. What's wrong with me? And how to overcome it? I don't want to feel this pain, but still I do.
Jan 7 - 10AM (Reply to #11)
ruby01 (not verified)
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Winter

I'm trying to understand what emotion it is you are fighting? Can you be more specific?
Jan 7 - 11AM (Reply to #12)
Winter
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Ruby

Anxiety, pain... As if I am being defective. I am sure nobody would ever dare to behave this way with Hunter, for instance. And I know many people who I believe will never be treated this way. So, my conclusion is: there is something wrong with me. I am defective. There we go! Defective! Here I said it. Sorry, just overwhelmed. I am so disappointed with myself because he dared. I know (logically) how crazy it sounds, but emotionally it is exactly how I feel. Thank you so much for trying to undertsand this nonsense! Love Winter
Jan 7 - 11AM (Reply to #13)
ruby01 (not verified)
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Winter

Okay. I get it. If people tend to not question or challenge your beliefs then maybe it would be caused by their feelings of fear or intimidation. Is that something that would make you feel better about yourself?
Jan 7 - 11AM (Reply to #14)
Winter
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Ruby

I am not sure I correctly understand what you are asking. Do you mean that I unconsiously feel bad if I don't inspire fear in people? Or that I should feel good because this tendency of challenging me has roots in their fear?
Jan 7 - 12PM (Reply to #15)
ruby01 (not verified)
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Winter

What I was trying to express is that I don't believe it is a good thing if people just accepted your word because "Winter said it, so it must be true." That would not be a compliment about your character. I think it would express that they were either intimidated by you or afraid. You gave Hunter as an example of someone whose words go unchallenged; However, if you notice she does get questioned and then has to back up her response with facts before the member accepts her word as truth. That's what happened with you. I would take a guess that in the future the man will question you less because you have proven yourself to be knowledgeable, not because he is simply afraid to challenge you. That, my dear, speaks volumes!
Jan 7 - 12PM (Reply to #16)
Winter
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Ah, ok, got it.

Interesting. It might be true, I need to think about it. If it is true, it is so hidden from my consious mind. At first sight, it seems to me it is not. But I need to think about it more and analyze different similar life scenarios, it will take time. For now, what I feel has hurt me is the "form" and not the "content" of what he wrote. But I might be wrong. Thanks for challenging me! BTW, I always knew myself as loving to be challenged. In a polite and nice way, exactly what you did. Love Winter
Jan 7 - 10AM
Laughs Last (not verified)
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nice job

I think you did come across as protecting your boundaries! As far as the internal reaction, sounds like it's only something a therapist can help you work through. BUT - for immediate relief, try Yoga deep breathing techniques, holding one nostril and breathing through the other deeply and slowly and switching, take a stretch - it might help with the shaking and immediate anxiety reaction. Hugs to you honey
Jan 7 - 10AM (Reply to #8)
Winter
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I will try Yoga breathing techniques

I lost my faith in therapists being able to help me. I've tryed 4 in past two years. I found this forum is much more healing for me than them. Seriously. Dear LL, your reply is helpful, your advise on yoga is very useful. Thank you. Just to know that people here are there for me warmth my soul. Hugs back to you
Jan 7 - 10AM
Sparrow
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WInter, you are nit

WInter, you are nit responsible for how others behave. You are only responsible for how you handle the treatment of others. You handled him and should be proud. I believe, you are doubting yourself, only because that us what you are used to doing. You have come so far and are doing great! This is evidence of that! Shake off the feeling if self doubt and enjoy your day and your victory. X.........owns the problem, not you! Great job!