We never argued.

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#1 Jun 29 - 6PM
imabloke
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We never argued.

During my 2.5 yr relationship with my now exN we never argued. Which is strange. We got on so well with each other especially at the beginning. It was all very easy going and i thought i had found someone that i could spend the rest of my life with. W R O N G!
During our last year i had more of the silent treatment.

I think what was going on was that in fact she (myexN) didn't want to argue in case she would let her mask slip.

On the odd occasion i got an outburst and it would be bad, i'm mean vile, for no reason and it wasn't what was said it would be they way she would say it. It was more like Jekyl and Hyde.
So i think underneath it's a 'temper trantrum of a 6 yr old' trying to get out.
She seemed frightened to show her true colours.

I think this is important for me to realise and explore because it didn't give me a chance to disagree with her, as we all know wher that's gonna lead!

It would be interesting to see what others think.

Jun 30 - 4AM
helldweller
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Conflict

His mantra was "Just love me." We could not discuss anything we had previously planned: marriage, children, living together, his part in my daughters' lives, his health, my health, nothing. Even when his affairs were brought to light, we couldn't discuss it, though I made it clear I was willing to put it all behind us if we could talk about why it happened. He roundly refused. His response to my pleas to discuss our problems was always, "Honey, I can't fight." I'd say, "Im not fighting; we need to just talk." He'd say, "Do you love me or not? Just love me. We don't need to talk."
Jun 29 - 11PM
Susan32
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Stonewalling

Adults know how to disagree and have a reasoned, compassionate argument. They know how to "agree to disagree." My ex-P couldn't handle disagreement so I'd always appease him by saying "yes, you're right." He'd get very mad at me (and this was during class discussions),accusing me of being narcissist and "you're defending yourself." It was either his way or the highway, and at a college that prides itself on philosophical dialogue. He took disagreements and criticism as personal attacks. He'd ask me difficult questions... but if I asked him difficult ones, he'd blank out and go into robotic stare mode. There was no give and take, even on a purely intellectual/philosophical level... with a philosopher. My ex-P dodged arguments. He'd stonewall me, act guilty, or blame me. He knows I consider him a dishonest, arrogant, condescending bully... maybe that's why he's been NC on me! And his Mommy and Daddy live with him. Arguments with him always escalated into fights, and he assumed he'd win. Even I got tired, and I told him in a sing-songy way,"I'm always wrong, you're always right" (intoning it with an obvious lack of sincerity) During the D&D, we were arguing all the time.
Jun 29 - 11PM (Reply to #13)
James (not verified)
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Stonewalling

Susan32, Never did figure out what was worst the stonewalling (Silence treatment) or verbal fighting? Wonder how many of us started a argument with one just too stop the stonewalling? I know I tried to talk with her feeling maybe she was depressed or something in the beginning of our relationship whenever she went "silence" but later on learned not too because it only would start a fight between us.
Jun 29 - 11PM (Reply to #14)
Susan32
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Unable to hold a conversation

There can be disagreements between adults without it escalating into fights and abuse. My ex-P and I had verbal fighting at the beginning and the end of our "relationship." My classmates wondered if our arguments (in the beginning) were flirtations or fights. I'd try talking with my ex-P about whether or not he had a girlfriend, and he'd go silent on me. I'd even tell him "something is bothering you" or "you look sad, what's the matter?" What was WORSE is that because I was dealing with a professor/philosopher, I was unable to hold a philosophical conversation with him. With the rest of my professors, dialogue was possible. I'd try to have a philosophical discussion with him, and he'd stonewall or divert the issue to personal stuff. He is a self-proclaimed Wittgenstein expert... yet he wouldn't talk to me about Wittgenstein (he'd do that with his circle of young male disciples, however) He'd blather that teachers aren't supposed to propagandize, they're not supposed to have original thoughts. It wasn't till recently I read that the inability to engage in "out of the box" thinking and have original thoughts are the marks of a psychopath. And from what I've read on the boards here, Ns/Ps plagiarize movies/books rather than say something original. I still have a lecture from my ex-P.... it's incredibly boring and derivative. Back in the day, it made my heart race. Now I find it more boring than the latest fantasy series book fad.
Jun 29 - 10PM
James (not verified)
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Is it really arguing or something else?

Whenever my ex and I would argue it didn't feeling like an argument but more like two people in a dysfunctional dance of verbal abuse. One who cared more about winning and the other just trying to survive. I wrote this some time ago and I think it explain why we can't really argue with them. It's more like having a verbal argument with a child. Parents will stand their ground and hope the child will understand in the end the parent's decision. Of course this wishful thinking is good for our children but never works on them. "The Abuser and Abusee “Abusers like to bring you down to their level” “You may find yourself becoming abusive in retaliation; in this case the abuser can say you are no better than the abuser. Note: Abusers are much better at arguing and winning so going down to their level means that you have lost; this is a variation of one person hitting another until the other eventually hits back.” I know there is no such word as “abusee” but please allow me to explain. Whenever we are involved with an abuser we will abuse as well. The abuser abuses to control and manipulate us. We abuse to fight back and take back what sanity we have left. The abuser destroys our self-esteem our personal power and in short our personality. We are told we are nothing. That no one else will love us and many other words and statements to rob you of all that is you. We abuse (defend) just to keep our hearts and heads above water from their torrent of constance abuse. Also the abuser will use this as a way to belittle you even more by stating you are just like them but the abuser never see it for what it really is. They abuse to control but we abuse just to stay alive albeit emotional and psychologically. Whenever we are involve in an dysfunctional relationship we are in verbal emotional and psychological battle. Never really knowing when and where the next attack will come from. We walk on mines (eggshells) around them never knowing what we do to “bring down the house” no matter how small or large the oversight might be. They fire shots of verbal abuse like a machine gun. They will sabotages events and holidays just like any saboteur in a war. We fight (abuse) to maintain ground and position just like any army will do in a conflict of war. The abuser fights to win! We fights to survive! Please don’t expect an abuser to see this or to acknowledge it so whenever he/she tells you that you are just as bad as them. Don’t believe it for there is a different! A very “big” different from being the abuser and the “abusee”." http://alturl.com/vnvu
Jun 29 - 10PM (Reply to #9)
Lisa E. Scott
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James

Wow, this is amazing advice. I'm going to post it on the Blog page. Thank you for sharing your incredible insight with us.
Jun 29 - 11PM (Reply to #10)
James (not verified)
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Lisa

Thank you Lisa and please use anything I post to help others. It helped me understand more of my part in many of our fights. They always left me feeling confused and more upset and feeling more like a dog chasing it's own tail! Thanks God those days are over with! http://james-personalitydisorder.blogspot.com/
Jun 29 - 11PM (Reply to #11)
Lisa E. Scott
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James

Yes, so glad those days are over is right. Thanks again for your insight!
Jun 29 - 9PM
Steph
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We didn't argue often

We didn't argue often either. We had maybe a handful....but during every one he went off on me and raged. His reactions were completely disproportionate to the situation. Always scared me. He became a completely different person. I think he avoided arguements as well because he knew what he was capable of and couldn't risk getting caught.
Jun 29 - 7PM
baddream
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Conflict Not Allowed

My ex-N would never get involved in an argument. If he did not like what I was saying he would d&d, dole out the silent treatment, and put me on the shelf. I would always be the one walking on eggshells. He trained me to be like this. I learned quickly that when I doubted him, or disagreed with him this is where it would lead. I would always be the one to apologize, the one who tried to make it right. It amazes me how long I stuck it out like this. Whenever I think about how it made me feel it makes me sick and I break out into a sweat. I knew there was something very, very wrong. It took a long time and many d&d's to finally believe the evil that was N and go NC for good. Sometimes I can still feel him hovering. (occasional text messages and e-mails to my son). My worst fear is that he travels across the country and shows up at my door one day. When I went NC for the last time, I just disappeared. No letters, no explanations. I had learned there was no arguing or discussing with a narcissist.
Jun 29 - 7PM
Bodhi
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Conflict Avoidant!

What you are dealing with is someone that is conflict avoidant. I find a lot of similarities in our sitches from what you have written and when I look back on our relationship I realize it lacked total communication on all levels. I actually did argue (or I should say tried to resolve conflict), but he told his family/friends that I yelled at him all the time and was abusive. Google passive aggressive behavior and I bet you'll gain some more insight into what you were dealing with. Narcissists are children that never grew up.
Jun 29 - 7PM
AnotherPath
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I never argued with the exN

I never argued with the exN either. On paper we had a lot in common, a lot of the same values, so I thought. I would try very hard to not have the silent treatment so never brought things up that might have upset him. I got the silent treatment anyway, he'd pick on me and go off but over the last few years as a matter of course I got the silent treatment every night whilst he shut himself in a room and wanked off in front of his computer.

Ending the dance

Jun 29 - 6PM
NancyM
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Never argued

No not in the real sense of an arguement. With mine, if I ever had the audacity to ask about something to do with his behavior, like the silent treatment, I just got screamed down and then he would walk out on me for 3 to 6 days. Usually I never even got through a sentence. My therapist said it must have been my "tone". I had to apologise in advance and ask him for permission to discuss anything. Oh and the therapist said about the D&D that men needed their cave time. But 24/7???

Nevergoback

Jun 29 - 7PM (Reply to #2)
naivenomore
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God forbid if I interrupted his monolgue!

This is all very familiar, as I read your posts. My ex-N would go on long-winded tales about something (politics, his past, economics) and if I agreed as he was talking then sometimes I'd say something like: "Oh, yeah, I know what you mean"! W-e-l-l, that was a huge mistake as he'd suddenly go completely silent. After a certain amount of minutes of silence, I'd ask him if he was still there (on the phone, or whatever) and he'd just say: "Yes". Then I'd ask him why he wouldn't finish his story and he'd say: "It seemed that you already knew what I was going to say"! Really, really frustrating as it's perfectly normal to interrupt sometimes in validation of what the other is saying, but he took it as a personal affront and punished with the silent treatment. (How dare you interrupt my brilliant oration!). God, it was so weird! We also, NEVER had a disagreement until the end of 3 years when he cancelled plans we'd been looking forward to and I objected as, once again, it was to be co-dependent with his co-dependent daughters. That's when I was D&D and it went downhill from there. So, I truly understand this convoluted way of relating to the world and it drives us normal people nuts!
Jun 29 - 10PM (Reply to #3)
Lisa E. Scott
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Chickadee

OMG! I can totally relate to you! "God forbid if I interrupted his monologue." "How dare you interrupt my brilliant oration!" This was my EXNH to a tee! We did have fierce arguments at times though. Really fierce. One of the reasons I got honest about my relationship with him was because I couldn't believe the screaming matches we could get in. They terrified me.