what if they do therapy

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#1 Nov 11 - 1AM
nomoredenial
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what if they do therapy

I keep wondering if he can be a narc if he does therapy, mens groups, healing circles ect? He even questioned the men in his group once and asked if he was an N because I mentioned that he was. (they said couldnt be you do your work). He has always been responsible and on time..until this year when the shit hit the fan. He got fired from two jobs and took him self on vacation with the morgage when he was fired. He rarely if ever raises his voice. Hes not abusive. He hit me and cracked my nose when we first got together 14 years ago but has never since laid a hand on me or our kids...EVER. My two biggest complaints in the marriage was i had to ask him to help with things like, childcare, house cleaning ect and listen to him whine and when I pointed out to him that something is really off between you and your kids he would always say and you think your perfect" Alot of the other stuff fits. The most recent.... he doesn't talk to his kids and will only have them overnight if I work out of town and then only let them come at bedtime when they are tired. Has pretty much ignored me since he left 3 months ago. Is looking at getting evicted because he bought a car stereo and an I phone among other things.

I am 10 years older than him and worry that I was too controlling and made him this way. Part of me can see that he contributed to my controlling ways because he always acted shady. During the last year he went to a company training and took his wedding ring off to "fit in" and then had drinks with a woman there and called her room to chat. When he got back to town he would msn her and not understand why i was upset. I called her and she assured me nothing happened, that she was not interested and he didnt seem to put off the sex vibe she said.

What really blew the lid off my fantasy world was when he met a woman a year and a half ago (the start of the whole thing) and couldn't decide if he wanted me or her, he stayed but it was never the same for me and the more i saw who he really is the weirder things got. I know I am kind of all over the place but i am writing as i am thinking.

I thought I knew this person, I feel like it was all a lie. I thought he had bipolar when it all started but now i dont know for sure, i do know hes kinda strange and whats weirder is that I didnt see it.

My biggest complaint was that he didnt pay attention to the kids unless it was a video game they played together for a few days then he would get bored and tell them it was a dumb game, (that always confused them). All the stuff about not getting my needs met ect he always made it my fault somehow so i believed i was too demading, to greedy, to something.

Oh and the other thing I didnt like to have sex with him because i felt violated in a wierd way and at night I would wake up to him doing things to me and I would freak and beg and plead to not do things to me in my sleep since I had that happen to me in my childhood. Of course in my mind I took the blame because if I had sex with him he wouldnt need to do it. It finally stopped when I woke up one night and it triggered rage in me and i said if you ever touch me in my sleep again i will kill you.

Hmm anything else, oh everyone is a bitch, asshole, weirdo. He only is friends with women who are older and nurturing, the one he almost left me for is the same age as me.

he got fired from his last job because the boss was a bitch and expected to much, when I said you need to be accountable he said "Oh nice, now your on her team"

On my sons birthday he didn't wish him a happy birthday but walked my then text and said did you see me walk by.

When my sister lent us money once he was pissed at the bitch for writing a check instead of cash.

He didn't like to go into the store across from his work because he didn't want the employees to see me (said they were weird didn't want to give them satisfaction) I chalked it up to me being older and him not wanting them to know that.

But back to the beginning, whatever I had issues with (mostly no kid attention) he would go to group and work on it. And he did ask if he could be and has read the info, Said that sounds like you..which I agree some of it does sound like me.

thoughts?

Nov 11 - 3PM
Goldie
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There is much confusion out there regarding PD's

Most people do not have the expertise to understand. Whether or not you can work has NOTHING to do with being a Narc, NOTHING. Therapy does not work for Narcs. You may want to google some of this stuff as well. There is so much information out there regarding Narcs and nowhere have I ever seen it written that a Narc is incapable of working. Also most credible therapists and doctors will tell you that therapy rarely ever works for a PD, it is a personality disorder, ingrained within the persons personality. Keep reading and Understanding it, it will help you with the notion that there is some change for him around the corner and it is common to doubt whether or not he is a PD. This is a common excuse for thinking you can go back and try to change them. God bless, Goldie
Nov 11 - 5AM
Hermes
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Nomoredenial

Reading through your post I ask you if this is what you want from life? It matters not a whit whether he has NPD or any other PD. He is an abusive person, irresponsible and immature. That is enough. and is not going to improve. What is in this for you? Nothing that I can see. Do please concentrate on yourself, on addressing your own childhood issues, on reaching a healthy place. It is worth it. Hermes
Nov 11 - 3AM
empath
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you need to trust your gut on this one

There are some definite red flag dealbreaker behaviors here. Do you think therapy would be beneficial and effective for you? I am not seeing that his efforts to heal are effective or resulting in better relations between you two. Ask yourself why you are staying with this man and if it is truly worth it to try to fix what's broken rather than just get away and start over. What are the costs to you, if you stay?
Nov 11 - 3AM (Reply to #7)
nomoredenial
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seperated

we have been separate for 3 months. I mainly want to sort it all out so that if I did have a big part in it then i want to heal from it and work the part I need to. It does seem thouh the healthier I have become the worse he has gotten.
Nov 11 - 3AM
dulcinea441
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I don't know if he's a

I don't know if he's a narcissist, but he's clearly an abusive, manipulative jerk without much of a conscience, if any. Your story about being violated by him in your sleep is beyond disturbing. He's sick and deeply disordered, that much is clear. Are you still together with him?
Nov 11 - 3AM (Reply to #2)
nomoredenial
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no

He left 3 months ago, he threatened to leave and i took him up on it. I started hypnosis and started to heal and he kept getting stranger. i keep going back and forth because so much sounds like narcissism but some really doesn't. He is incredibly charming and almost every one he meets falls in love with him. Think he is the greatest ever....I did too for a very long time.
Nov 11 - 3AM (Reply to #3)
nomoredenial
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Not back and forth with him,

Not back and forth with him, just in trying to figure it out. I worry so much maybe it was me. I was so controlling I always wondered why someone would want to stay with me like I was. I had tried everything and noting helped till the hypnosis, it traced back to a childhood issue, it was after that, when I quit being so needy and clingy that it started to change.
Nov 11 - 4AM (Reply to #4)
lillymarch
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Being controlling doesn't

Being controlling doesn't make someone do the things he did. I have a friend who is controlling, always telling her husband what to do, likes things a certain way and her husband doesn't do those things. The things you described are not healthy. Re-read what you posted. We all come to relationships wih issues. Him hitting you years ago is a problem. This happened to me but it wasn't hitting, it was strangling. He never touched me again like that, ever. But what that did was put a memory into me. I always wondered why I put up all the garbage for so long. I think subconsciously I knew he was capable of that type of rage. So it kept me 'in line'. I'm not explaining it completely right because I'm so tired but being violent works to place fear into a person. It works because I know I wasn't ok after that. Anyway, do you want a person like him? You deserve truth, honesty, and a clean and happy home. He can't do it. It's obvious from what you described that it's him. Again, I'm not saying that we all don't have issues, but hiding you from his work colleagues? Dating other women? Does it really matter if he's a Narc?
Nov 11 - 11AM (Reply to #5)
dulcinea441
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I agree with Lillymarch, NMD.

I agree with Lillymarch, NMD. However you were behaving, there's no healthy way to maintain an unhealthy relationship. You did not make him behave in those ways, that's his own sickness at work, plain and simple. I know it helps to have a solid diagnosis to think about when analyzing what went wrong with your marriage, but he sounds like he has a hodge-podge of psychiatric problems, possibly including some sort of personality disorder -- I can't really say, not knowing him well enough (and not being a mental health professional, obviously). What matters now is that you are out of that abusive relationship and are working on your own healing. That's the path forward to a healthy life filled with healthy love. Hugs, D.