What might you think?

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#1 Apr 22 - 4PM
cassiemay
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What might you think?

This is a little off-topic so I apologize. Just would like some feedback.

I have been separated from N husband for 2 and 1/2 years, Divorce is almost final. Took so long because of Him....but that's another story....

About 18 months after separation I had my first date in 23 years. I have had others, but basically, I have lived with this man for about 1 year, with some times apart due to different interests, not due to conflict.

So....he seems so sweet: unassuming, frugal, introverted and careful with his words and emotions. After 6 months we both said we loved eachother. The thing I struggle with is that, while I do not think he is an N, (off topic!), he is not very affectionate at all. Never pats my arm or leg, never says he loves me out of the blue, and when he is gone, often does not call. But then, he does at times. The other night I had a terrible time going through my divorce B.S. and he calls. Never asks how I'm doing. I ask All the questions and of course they are about him and what he's been doing, etc. When I hung up I realized I was really angry that he never asks ME what I'm feeling or how I am doing, in spite of knowing that I am going through a difficult time in the final phase of divorce. So I called him back and said that. He was amazed. "OF course I ask you that". NO.

Next night I'm hoping he will call because I told him what a hard time I was having and maybe he would want to check in on me? No. No call. So I get angry again, call and leave a stupid message, like "I was really hoping you would call tonight since I told you what a hard time I was having. Maybe you just aren't really that into me."

Felt horrible the next morning because I sounded needy and critical. On the Other Hand....I wonder if this is exactly what needs to happen. I need to be honest and express my feelings, even if negative. Of course, I've heard nothing back and feel fairly sure he will expect me to apologize, which I am not going to do. It's so hard in the beginning of a relationship. He is so different from me and often I think I just need to accept that: that he IS different and I should be less judgemental and distrusting and that those traits come as a result of my prior 23 marriage to an N. Ok.....just wondering, honestly, am I being too demanding or judgemental? Thanks, CM

Apr 23 - 12AM
Lisa E. Scott
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Cassiemay

Yes, it sounds like he definitely has narcissistic tendencies which are more signicant than the average person. The fact that he couldn't check in on you on a day he knew was difficult for you and then after you tell him it upset you, he does it again, is totally unacceptable. You don't need someone like this in your life. You want to be with someone who "gets you" and is capable of empathy and compasion.
Apr 22 - 10PM
quietude (not verified)
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cassiemay

This is the stuff I worry about when I eventually date again. Is he, or isn't he? =0 To me, this guy sounds self-centered to say the least, which to me is bad enough in itself. If they aren't concerned about you or your day, that's inconsiderate. Also, that's a very bad sign that he didn't validate your feelings and was defensive in that phone call. I don't think you're being demanding at all. You're going through a hard time and need support, and a good guy would be supportive. Someone who is right for you would be concerned about you and your well-being.
Apr 22 - 9PM
Barbara (not verified)
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the red flags

after I left exNH I was literally "pre-tenderized meat" for Psycho-boy. In retrospect the things I blew off were actually major emotional & boundary violations (I am sharing in hopes this helps you get perspective) - I was in the hospital for about a week, literally a few blocks from his office. I asked him to stop and see me... his response? "NO WAY!" - I asked him to come by my house once for dinner - he refused. - He would only phone me when he wanted to have phone sex (believe me it was very ONE SIDED - I just FROZE and listened... ugh) - He would only contact me a) when he wanted to discuss sex or something sexual or he needed help editing one of his articles (he now DENIES I helped him at all) He even told me he knew he is "a narcissist" and he's "sick" and "looks at all women like they are just a hole." Once he yelled at me and said I was only about sex for him - then contacted me 24 hours later to say he forgot to take his antidepressant and he was sorry. (Real reason? He was already planning an affair with one of my friends...) - b) when he wanted advice about how to handle his horrible, cold, pious, overbearing wife (he now says the opposite in public) or how to handle his boss the bully - After the first 6 months he rarely asked about my health or how I was doing emotionally away from exNH. In fact about a year into the emotional relationship he told me I should "go F**K exNH because we'd both "feel better" - WTF?!?! - He would ask for my schedule but then say he forgot to write it down - He would make a tentative date to get together and then cancel the last minute - When my exNH found out about the affair and started coming around to physically abuse me - Psycho-boy DISAPPEARED for 5 weeks. Just VANISHED. Blocked me on IM. When he came back he acted like the emotional affair never happened and didn't want to discuss it for months! Even then he eased me back into it slowly. - If I disagreed with him or called him on something he would break contact with me for a week or two. Training me not to question him & furthering the traumatic bonding - the 4 times I tried to break it off and block all contact with him? He would contact one of my best friends and BEG her to intervene for him until he wore her down. Then I felt guilty and got reeled back in. These all should have been HUGE RED FLAGS to me. HUGE. It is hard after years of a Narc Mother, narc or P boyfriends and bosses and a Narc husband to feel confident about acting in my own best interest even now. But it gets easier. If people call me a BITCH I say Thank you (Babe In Total Control of Herself). I admit I still get pretty po'd when I hear the lies lies lies and more lies he tells about me - even though he knows I have loads of hard evidence to back up everything that happened - like all pathologicals he continues to lie hoping if he says it enough it will make it true. (shades of Scott Peterson and OJ Simpson) I am not a thing. I am a person with feelings & needs. I am worth more than being used as an object when HE wanted me around for whatever reasons. And so are you. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ My site: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Cost-Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
Apr 22 - 8PM
better off
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Well...he sounds

Well...he sounds narcissistic to me. Sorry to say. At the very least it's one-sided. Didn't you also say he doesn't pressure you for any sex? Just likes to sleep together. I can't remember if that was you or not. One thing I would say is that in any relationship it isn't good to "hope" for what we expect. If you expect him to call or be there for you, you need to tell him that. Without coming round the back way and saying gee I hoped you would. If he'd not an N and just a dumb guy, he can't read your mind and he might not actually KNOW that you were "hoping" for something. It would also be better to say "That makes me feel like you're not that into me." Instead of "I guess you're not that into me." Which is sort of hinting or fishing for him to deny it. Instead of just stating how you feel or what you want. Living in a N marriage has not taught you to do those things! Right?! That's what I am teaching myself now. How to say exactly what it is I want without feeling guilty about it. Al Anon quote: Mean what you say; say what you mean; don't say it mean. However, if you did leave him that message and he still didn't call to talk about why you are upset or correct your notions or do ANYTHING, I would call that very passive-aggressive and narcissistic. Playing games.
Apr 23 - 11AM (Reply to #5)
fairy wings
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Thank you

Thank you for the quote and also for pointing out the different ways to say things. Either being direct and polite or passive and indirect and hoping for a certain response. I totally agree that after being with an abusive partner we forget how to ask for what we want, or rather we feel it is something we have no right to do. I still struggle with this in personal relationships which amazes my friends as I am confident and sure of who I am with them. I have thought about this a lot and think that in close relationships it is much harder to maintain personal boundaries and of course abusive individuals know this and play with boundaries and trust all the time. Thank you for giving me more food for thought.
Apr 22 - 8PM (Reply to #2)
cassiemay
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better off

Thanks for the comments. Very insighful and I will think on them tonight. Yeah, I believe you are right, though as you all know, it's hard to admit. No, this guy doesn't Really care about you. How easy is a phone call? to be completely honest, Ladies, he has known about my potential divorce settlement since we met. Not that it's that great, believe me, but it's something., I have a little weird feeling......is he here to try to rob me? I don't know. After all the B.S. from the N. who knows anymore what's "real"? I guess I should keep all legal records safe and out of his reach, which is hard to do, but I could do it. I hate, hate, hate, not trusting him and I don't know if it's just me and my past horrible experience or if I am being paranoid. I guess being paranoid isn'''t neccesarily a bad thing. I protect myself and what little assets I may have and to very little expense. I do plan to keep credit account numbers, bank statements, etc. in a private place. Jesus, I Hate this, but I know it doesn't hurt and may protect me. Thanks, CM
Apr 22 - 9PM (Reply to #3)
Barbara (not verified)
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listen to your gut CM

A friend of mine who divorced a bigamist psychopath? Found out she inherited from her parents when they died and swooped right in. He even tried to get her to sign her life insurance over to him then go on a boat trip - just the 2 of them - in the Atlantic! She didn't find out what he was or what he was doing until she tried to file their taxes a year later. Tell the guy you want to take a break from the relationship for at least 4 months. If he gets antsy or keeps calling - you have your answer. ~~~~~~~~~~~~ My site: http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com Cost-Effective Coaching for Victims of Pathologicals http://one2one4victims.webs.com/
Apr 23 - 1PM (Reply to #4)
cassiemay
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All you wonderful Ladies

thanks so much for all the comments. It's really helpful to be able to discuss these things, even if it is online. Sure wish we could all sit around with a glass of wine. I think we could laugh and laugh and laugh. Good therapy! Ya think our insurance would pay for it??? So.....Still haven't received a phone call or email. He's on his way back from CA and I've no idea where he is or when he will actually return. But I'm in no mood to call Him. Don't like the pattern of "punishment by abandonment" theme here at all. Someone mentioned learning to be more direct about my needs and desires. Very helpful. And yes, something that is ingrained in us NOT to do because That has been punished in the past. "Quit nagging. You're just bitching at me. Why are you so needy?" Hello??? As Barbara said, I think: we are Persons with feelings and needs and the supposed right to at least express them and have them acknowledged. Finding a Healthy way to do so is something I'm trying to learn. Love you Ladies! CM