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#1 Aug 11 - 3PM
almostlydia
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women haters

I figured out some things this week that for me was a huge AHA moment about my exN's behavior in the past. Things that I could never quite figure out - all the pursuing and teasing and taunting and then drop kicking he seemed to be doing to so many women (and maybe men) behind my back all the time. I know he needed the attention, control etc... but I see now that it was so much more than just that.

I know my exN had a deep seated hate for women because he projected it on so many men I finally realized it was actually him with the problem. (Gotta love those projections - that's how he gave himself away all the time.) And I know their only emotions are fear and rage, but the rage part is what I wasn't getting the real meaning behind.

Now I see, his entire life has been about blame, hate, and exacting revenge on those he has blamed the most for his f*cked up life since childhood. When his mother caught his father (in bed, apparently) with another woman and shot him 5 times, the entire family was torn apart. The Mother went to jail, the father went to the hospital, and all the children were forced to live with the aunts. I had always figured this was his 'abandonment' trauma that was responsible for him being what he is.

My 'aha' moment, however, came when I realized that he had blamed his Mother for this all his life. That instead of overlooking the father's lying and cheating, (such a trivial matter after all) and keeping the family in tact, she had torn the family apart. Having met his father, I know the apple didn't fall far from the tree, only got more rotten on the ground, I imagine the poor Mother was pushed to the edge of insanity in the way that I, and all of us, are very familiar with. Likewise, his Mother died relatively young from what always sounded like the kind of personal abuse and neglect that comes from having lost all hope and desire to live. What I call legal suicide for religion sake. Because it was over 40 yrs ago, I would imagine she was totally blamed and ostracized, having nothing like the kind of support or understanding we have here. He always hated all the aunts because they had all treated his Mother like dirt. Meanwhile, his Father remarried a beautiful woman years later and his life went on somewhat unscathed.

I know all of this probably only matters to me, but what I learned was that this was not for attention or for the fun of the chase or even to keep a long list of supply. It was for the explicit motive of purposefully damaging women in the cruelest but most legal and subtle way possible. It was a win win situation of both getting supply and exacting revenge at it's finest.

The sad irony in this is that I would imagine that the exact same behavior that was responsible for his trauma and for the early death of his Mother, is the exact behavior he is out there repeating over and over again.

Anyway, I just had to get this out. It's been on my mind all week especially as this was exactly where my life was going - a repeat of his Mother's life.

Aug 12 - 8AM
helldweller
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women-haters

My narc's mother was, according to the narc, a beautiful, brassy, chain-smoking, social-climbing lawyer who distanced herself from her husband--not even taking his last name when they married in 1950!--never turned on the stove, and fiercly protected her their money. After one her brothers stole some money from her law firm, she cut ties with her entire family and they never spoke to any of them again. Sound like anyone I know? This, from what I've garnered, is the golden standard to which no woman (with a soul anyway) could hope to reach in order to win the affection of one of these prize packages. So they hate women, all women, and just take whatever they can get from us. Early on in our "relationship," we were all at a party, and a very forward woman acquaintance of theirs asked why, at 50, none of them were married. So they talked a little about it, and at some point the subject of the mother came up, and the fact that she loved jewelry and the dad bought her a lot of it. The woman said, "Where's the jewelry?" "In a safety deposit box," they said. "Why not give some to your girlfriends?" she said. "Never." They said that no woman would ever get any of their mother's jewelry--that it would only be for their daughters. (????????????) The woman said, beautifully, "Well let me know when the sky opens up and your daughters fall out, because you don't see that every day."
Aug 12 - 7AM
helldweller
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almostlydia

Yep, the He-Man Woman-Haters Club was from the Little Rascals.
Aug 12 - 6AM
Used
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mother,s

my exh, adored him mother and she adored him,spoiled him never made him take any responsibilty whereas, narc,hated his mother, and yet they had the same attitude to woman, i said to narc, why has every woman got to pay for your mother,s faults[ well alledge one,s seeing as all he said was lies. where as, my exh, i didnt relize he hated woman[tho he has no problem with all the attention he gets from them]till i was away from him, cos he kept telling me he was like it with me cos i caused him to be lol, i was16 he was 18, when we married, so what did i know, but after someone saw him with his now woman ,and asked who she was, he said some old tart, he had been with her 10 years by then, what a charmer, what i lost in him, lol but my point is they are afraid of woman, tho they usually get in when you are vunrable, once you turn out to be strong, all the better to break you, makes them feel so manly, mugs is what they are.
Aug 11 - 5PM
helldweller
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Woman haters

I used to call he and his brother's apartment building The Woman Haters' Club. No girls allowed. He thought it was really funny.
Aug 11 - 11PM (Reply to #6)
almostlydia
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Is that from 'the little

Is that from 'the little rascals'?

almostlydia

Aug 12 - 12PM (Reply to #7)
MovinOnUp
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My N hates his doesn't have

My N hates his doesn't have a maternal bone in her body alcholic N mother. But he's also terrified of her. Nothing but horror stories about her from all four siblings, but they kiss her ass because she has money. And she drilled this sick sense of family loyalty into all of them. Not at all hard to see where my N's hatred of women came from. This bitch would eat her young if she were hungry. And she'd eat her kids young too.
Aug 11 - 5PM
Susan32
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Woman hater

My ex-P had the reputation of being a woman-hater... so of course it was a shock when he flaunted his butch girlfriend, and they ended up marrying/having kids. It shocked A LOT of my classmates when he referred to Ophelia as a "slut." He always treated male students better than female ones, willing to listen to them, engage in dialogue with them. He had his circle of male disciples for expounding his philosophy. Usually, teaching is a female-dominated profession. However, he taught at a college where male professors outnumber female ones by a wide margin. He didn't mind it when I dressed like a tomboy, but he always looked slightly stunned (disapproving?) when I was in flower child mode, wearing a flowery dress. The ONLY person he referred to by his real name was his father. He genuinely admires his father. He NEVER referred to his mother and his sister by their real names. He talked about driving his maternal grandmother crazy... and I'm pretty sure he had her framed for marijuana possession.
Aug 11 - 4PM
drivencrazyinflorida
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You are right on, mine hated women too

He especially likes to come on sweet and romantic and even shy. Then later, when your guard is down, he is sadistic and treats you with contempt.
Aug 11 - 4PM
positivefuture
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yep

mine is a woman hater as well. he hates his sister (who is a doll), hated his mother, even though he took care of her financially, hates me, hates every woman he's dated, hates the mother of his children, his children's nany...now of course he says he loves me and the nanny, but he treats every woman horribly and abusively. i think his mother had a mental illness and dad was an N, he was embaressed of his mom and when she left his dad, he felt abandoned because ti broke up the family. some of the sibs stayed with the dad, some went with the mom, some went to aunts and unlces. i do believe this is a big big part of why they became this....
Aug 12 - 1PM (Reply to #2)
ShaynasMommy
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Boy, that sounds like my ex

Boy, that sounds like my ex n! His mom was suckered in by his N dad when she was young, only 18. She was his 2nd wife. He ended up with 3 ex wives, if that tells you anything. They got married and had N Jr. not long after that. They had 2 more kids, girls. Then mom got sick of dad cheating on her, (and God only knows what else, he is an N after all)and dumped his ass. But instead of trying to stay close to her son, who remained with his dad, she pretty much abandoned him. She would only come around every so often, act motherly and take him out to dinner, etc. This is the same woman who left N's 15 year old sister alone in the apt for two weeks to fend for herself while she went partying with her 24 year old boyfriend. Jess, the sister, got jumped by a neighbor girl and hurt badly. Nice mom. And MY mother, before his true colors came out, always and without reservation, treated him like GOLD, just because I loved him. Its no excuse for what they do, but it seems the odds are stacked against them from the get-go.