Need help with Cognitive Dissonance!

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#1 May 12 - 3PM
loveofmylife
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Need help with Cognitive Dissonance!

Answered my office phone today and it was N. we haven't talked in about 2 weeks, or so. Wanted to see how things were going, how financing was going (which he has a right to ask since we are still business partners) and then offered to put $200K in the company right now.

The whole conversation was the normal, sweet, kind, caring, laughing, sharing, soulmate (at least from my standpoint) conversation.

It always throws me into this loop:
- maybe he really is a great guy
- he really is the person I connect most to
- maybe he really isn't an N or that bad
- maybe all the verbal abuse was me overreacting or prompting it somehow
- maybe it was because we put ourselves into a pressure cooking working directly for eachother in a hectic situation - first me working for him, then him working for me!
- any guy would have reacted terribly to being let go and then working for someone who used to work for him; especially a woman who has been in love with him and has been unrequited for years and one that considers him - her mentor!
- it was probably all a result of the awful circumstances we put ourselves in....especially since he does compartmentalize everyone and can't have a personal relationship with someone he works with.

Maybe I just needed to write this down and get it out! I'm sure all of the answers have already been given to me... I just hate to falsely label someone unjustly if it is unjust. I just can't help but wonder - would a normal guy react the way he has acted under these same circumstances?

maybe I just need a physical head whomping....

May 15 - 6PM
loveofmylife
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Thanks foolmeonce and everyone else

This is going to take awhile...I can tell. Haven't communicated since that one phone call.... but have been very distracted with a health scare and drs visit. a lump in the breast that is now the size of a lemon... same thing I've had in the past, same thing my dad recently passed from.... so needless to say I've been ultra down... compounded by the fact that husband came back from a two week trip, and I realized I didn't miss him at all...which is sad to say since he is a good guy (at least in the past few years). And I'm sure mostly because of the highs and connection experienced with N that I feel like I will never feel with anyone else. Certainly probably not with a "normal" guy. Just makes me realize that I have to resolve our marital situation. I need to be in an emotionally connected relationship and no matter how much we have tried, it just doesn't happen and is very lonely. The reality of having to address that is horrible.... and especially when I am going through this health thing now and realizing that I have never felt comfort from him, and most likely will never receive comfort from him during this health issue.... same as when my dad rapidly passed, there was no comfort from my husband. Everything has always felt very alone. So many more doctors appts next week and discussions about reconstructive surgery....ughh.
May 13 - 10AM
foolmeonce
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When it ends

The Cognitive Dissonance ends when enough time has passed when you truly don't remember the good times or when you look back and see the good times really weren't so good. It's been 18 months since I had sex with him and 8 months since I've seen him. I no longer remember what it was like to love him. I don't even know who he is (and never did because he is just an illusion anyway). I spent one good year with him (if you can really call it good) and three nightmare ones. The one year was definitely not worth it. When I think about the times he was so loving in hindsight there was always something else going on. Now that I know what I know, I see all the lies. Did he take me nice places and buy me things? Yeah, but at what cost. I once got a $800 bikini and a $1200 beach bag because one night he said "____ I will always love you." _____ was not my name - it was another woman's. Because I would not drop it, he went out and tried to buy me. He just could not understand why I would be so upset. (Now I know he called me her name because we are all interchangeable in their minds) Every supposed nice thing, every declaration of love was followed up with a shitty thing. There is no dissonance anymore, he is a piece of crap - and always will be. The thing about your guy loveofmylife is that these predators are not in your face bad guys. If they were, no one would get involved with them. What makes them the evil predators that they are is that they are covert and manipulative. Their lies, and false caring, are intentional and designed to make you react a certain way. Your instincts tell you he is no good. Trust that. Of course he will call you and act all "soulmate" like. That is what he is good at, he has perfected this craft his entire life. Let me ask you if he really was your "soulmate" why does he treat you the way he does? Why is he on chemistry.com? Why aren't you together? I know you are married, but hey if you two really were soulmates you'd move heaven and earth to be together. The fact that you did not leave your husband is what is causing you a lot of this questioning. See because you did not leave him - you have this question in your mind like maybe it's your fault you and "your soulmate" are not together. But that's not true. I would bet my last dollar had you left your husband, "your soulmate" would be long gone. You never would have been together because he just doesn't care that much about you. He has had 20 years to prove his love to you. Has he done it? They love to tell you that it is something you did that was the reason you're not together. This is what eats away at your mind. You keep thinking you caused it - and we all know you didn't. Even if you two did end up together - would you still be together? Would this guy never cheat on you? It is impossible - that's who they are. You need to quit romanticizing him - he's not a great guy. Remember you have your 20 year history to back it up. If he was great - you two would be living happily ever after, you wouldn't be on this board with the rest of us who have experienced the exact same thing. If narcissism weren't real - there would be no forums, no books, no research by Hare - but there is - there is the same pathological behavior over and over again. The hardest part is accepting it - yep! it happened - yes you fell in love with an illusion. You can continue to believe that he is a great guy, but all that's going to do is waste more years of your life betting on something that's NEVER going to happen.
May 13 - 10AM (Reply to #14)
wallaby (not verified)
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Wow Foolmeonce

That response rocked! That was SO generous of you to take the time and thought that response took. I am always amazed at women on this board. WHat a great group!
May 13 - 4AM
Scoop
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I am right slap bang in

I am right slap bang in cognative diss so i know where you are at compleatly , i am 2 months no contact and slowly slowly the balance is begining to tip to more bad thoughts about him than good . I had a terrible day yesterday just crying and looking at photos , think i was going mad ect (just on the going mad point i have lost count how many times i have thought i was going to go mad but i always snap out of it so i can only assume i wont go mad which is a possitive .. i guess)My narc has played such a number on me there is no way i will able to contact him now . 2 years this has been going on 2 whole years , june the 6th 2008 was the first time he gave me the narc stare , i remember it and down i went like a lead ballon , he has been in my head ever since , not an hour goes by with out him being there and i want him gone . I tryed going semi contact and it does not work , it kept me in a loop of hope which just put my life on hold . Join me in no contact , did you get a no contact calendar , i have been ticking the days off like an advent calendar except there is no choclate just beer behind the windows !This is the hardest thing i have ever had to go through and that includes death of love ones ( which mades me double mad as how can this looser effect me more than the loss of my nana , which just goes to show you how toxic this guy is ). Sack this man , send him an email and sack him , i wish i could sack him , if my narc was in my employ he would be out the door so fast his sad arse wouldnt touch the ground . The thing that has tipped the balence for me has been sharing with all the girlfriends on here , all of our stoys are the same and the cure has all ways been no contact , not once has Barbara said "oh all right then just call him once " noooo it had been no contact he is not human no contact . Big love to you as i know how hard it is , it took me a year to finaly go no contact , like banging my head on a wall and finaly finding out that it hurts . Scoop x
May 12 - 11PM
wallaby (not verified)
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Where's your list?

First off - clearly you are not taking NC seriously. As Better Off mentioned there is NO reason any business conversation can't be done by email. Even if you didn't know it was him on the phone (which I doubt) once you do you quickly get off the phone and ONLY correspond as needed by email. You don't take your own vulnerability and the extent he has brainwashed you seriously. You seem to think you can have some contact and be fine with it. You can't. Didn't Barbara tell you to write up all the unpleasant experiences you've had with him in a list and keep it close. I thought she did. If not - DO IT. I also agree with Betteroff that the way you represent his connection with your company wavers. You have now talked about people who are wary of him ("bad man" and others)- that he's not the 100% glowing idealized asset to your business that you first talked about and I wonder why he's still in the picture.
May 13 - 12PM (Reply to #11)
better off
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Sadly, I think she's fallen

Sadly, I think she's fallen off the wagon because she hasn't been back since she posted this. I am praying for you loveofmylife. Just like an AA sponsor. If you are messing around with him again, there is only one outcome and it will hurt. Here for you when you get back.
May 12 - 4PM
better off
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So, how are his other

So, how are his other girlfriends doing? His married emotional lover? His hookups from chemistry.com? They feeling okay? All soulmatey? Did he send them ecards last weekend? Funny how he wants to chat you up and be sweet right when he's worried about you talking to the bad man. Might need to talk about that financing, see if the bad man comes up. (And funny how *I* feel like I'm five years old when *I* use words like "the bad man.") Probably checking to see if you have a spinal column. And you just showed him that you don't!! THIS IS WHY YOU CANNOT TALK TO HIM. THIS IS WHY YOU CANNOT TALK TO HIM. THIS IS WHY YOU CANNOT TALK TO HIM. You do not need to speak to him on the phone or in person about anything. Anything business related he can ask you via email. NO PERSONAL CONVERSATIONS. Isn't that HIS rule anyway? ??? Is he your business partner? Or a contractor? He doesn't work there, so how is actually a business "partner?" The owner terminated him, so clearly he's not the owner's business partner. So how is he YOUR business partner? You seem to be using that term rather loosely. I don't get it. It doesn't seem like you ACTUALLY have any obligation to personally speak to him at all. So what he was doing was FISHING, and trying to exert control. Oh, and buy you. Because you're connected soulmates even though he discarded you and uses you for personal gain, whilst fucking anyone else that comes along meanwhile and lying about you to everyone else. Sounds like an amazing, amazing guy.
May 12 - 5PM (Reply to #2)
Barbara (not verified)
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loveofmylife

2 more days till therapist right? No quick fix for CD are you on low dose SSRI? (would help you!) and if he isn't all those things - then why does he have soooo much in common with all the other Ns here? would you be feeling CD if he WAS a good guy? (HELLLLL NOOOOO!!!) unless you want to believe he's a non-human predator, you will continue to suffer and no one will be able to help you. DO NOT TALK/EMAIL/CHAT with him!!!!!!!!!!! FOR ANY REASON!!! ~~~~~~~~~ Moving Forward: Coaching for Victims Pathologicals Feelings buried alive never die. - Alice Miller
May 12 - 6PM (Reply to #3)
better off
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And let me add, I have felt

And let me add, I have felt what you are feeling... I KNOW how hard it is, nearly IMPOSSIBLE, to reconcile the emotional experience you (and only you) are having with the truth of who he really is (he is NOT having this emotional experience). I really do know, believe me. But THAT is why you MUST have NO CONTACT. It is the only way. And I know how much it hurts initially to forgo that contact. But this story you've told highlights how it works like a drug. Like CRACK. Crack kills. Put down the pipe, loveofmylife!!
May 12 - 7PM (Reply to #4)
smileyfacepr
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shes right!!!

the only way to stop falling prey to anything w him is absoultely NO CONTACT, if u ever want to be rid of him and all the ugly feelings!!! If u have NO CONTACT then u have no info on his personal life which is great to not know actually, u cant say anything u will regret later and No Contact gives u the strength to not tell u u miss hom or love him!! NO CONTACT tells him u want nothing to do w/him..u have no time for his b/s u already gave him more than enough time. NO CONTACT really says alot more than we think! Its the only way to healing!! smileyfacepr

smileyfacepr

May 12 - 8PM (Reply to #5)
Amazed
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Cognitive Dissonance,,,it is very tough,,

The cognitive dissonance or push and pull of understanding how detrimental the N is to you,, can sometime surpass our reason and understanding,,,and we want them back... Something comes over us, and we want to talk to them, and it is okay, we suddenly forget how bad it was. It was bad. It was awful. They took control of our life, for the worse. Hard to understand when they have you addicted to your own hormones, and you rush into the feeling of being with them all over again. It is not real. It is not bountiful love. It is evil, destructive, and terrorizing. We think they get better, like someone who wants to self improve. If they improve their business, they must be improving personally, we think. Wrong. Their business outward success has nothing to do with them being a good person, or positive for the business. Be careful, get it sorted out,,,don't let him interfere or mess with you,,he is an expert at that.
May 13 - 11AM (Reply to #6)
hitandrun
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I feel awful

Found a video online I had not seen of us at Christmas. We were so happy. I have no life... seems to have gone. So I violated NC by watching the video and now all I can do is cry because that is the life I wanted for myself. He just erased me. One minute I'm getting married to Mr. Wonderful and the next minute I don't exist. Cannot seem to get it in gear. He's so happy and I'm in hell. Pity party for sure, but I cannot seem to get a clue. Just want to give up sometimes.
May 13 - 1PM (Reply to #8)
Scoop
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Hitandrun

I had some photos on my phone which i stupidly looked at at work and i started to cry yesterday , actualy i howled all night and then i got up at 5am and cryed some more but by lunch time today i found my strenght again and by this afternoon i had my first thought of "i dont care " , i never thought it would happen , i was in the chemist just looking at the make up and bam it hit me "i dont care " ok it didnt last very long but it was there !That 2 months nc . So when you say you want to give up sometimes dont give up , hold on tight , the brain is an amazing thing , the brain wants to function well and it will go through hoops to try and do that .Just read the dream post here , even when we are asleep the brain is working on healing us from this trauma , have faith . I know tears will come again but i do know that "i dont care will" come again ... Stick with us .. big love Scoop x
May 13 - 5PM (Reply to #9)
hitandrun
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Thank you

Thanks Scoop and BetterOff...keeping the faith and crying. Soon it will be just keeping the faith! xoxo, h&r
May 13 - 12PM (Reply to #7)
better off
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But in reality, one minute

But in reality, one minute you were almost trapped into a marriage with Mr Nightmare, and the next minute you escaped. You don't feel that way now, but you will. Go read agnesmurphy17's story in the Share Your Story section. See what happened to her. They are not happy. They are not anything. They are "not." What you lost is a dream. It hurts like hell. As you said, that is the life you wanted for yourself... but it was the life you were NEVER GOING TO GET. It's not as if you COULD have gotten it with him and then didn't. It was NOT POSSIBLE to get it. Not ever. It was doomed from the beginning. I, too, suffered greatly from "losing" this life I wanted so badly. But after I learned more, and grew to understand that it was never going to happen in the first place and that the WHOLE THING was a lie, even the "beautiful" part... or rather ESPECIALLY the beautiful part, that it was all a fraud. A fraud. It hurts. But when I finally realized I hadn't actually missed "out", but that I had missed a bullet... things gradually began to get better. Now I don't care that he "erased" me, because I hold only contempt for him. His feelings about me mean exactly nothing. If he declared love for me again, that would also mean nothing. He is nothing.