Physical Symptoms??

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#1 Mar 19 - 9AM
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Physical Symptoms??

Has anyone experienced physical problems after the breakup? I was in a 2 year serious, leading to marriage, dating RL with guy I loved deeply. At the end, which I knew was coming, I accidently ran across an article on a website about Ns, read more and thought - that's what I've just been thru. I could never quite put my finger on it until that time. After the breakup, we decided to remain "friends" and I emailed him each morning. He usually responded on his own time, but I was use to that. This was in January 2010 and I developed "stomach issues". In February, I addressed them with my dr. She ordered a two hour ultrasound which came back fine. I still continued to have them until I cut contact with him to once a month in December 2010. There is NC now and my stomach is back to it's normal. There must have been something about the continuing contact that made me "sick". Or was it my body trying to tell me to let go? Because I have little to no family, I have problems severing ties with others especially men. Grrrrr!!

Apr 11 - 8PM
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I had massive stress,

I had massive stress, fatigue, depression. It was worst first thing in the morning - I'd wake up, and it would still be dark outside, and for some reason, hearing the cars go by on the street outside my house would cause a massive anxiety attack as I remembered that he was gone. I guess it was that the cars signalled another day beginning, and the nightmare was still true - he was gone, and I had no idea why, and I was facing another day of obsessing and wondering where he was and what he was doing and worrying that he was never coming back. It eventually reached a point where I could hardly do anything, literally - it took all my concentration to decide which frozen dinner to cook at night.
Apr 11 - 8PM (Reply to #40)
michele115 (not verified)
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Mandy

Early in my recovery I suffered very similar symptoms...they could be connected to PTSD...do you have someone like a counselor to help you through this?
Apr 12 - 6AM (Reply to #41)
MandyM
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Yes, I was in therapy for

Yes, I was in therapy for awhile. It did help. I'm back to my old self now :-) - proof that you really can get over these morons!
Apr 12 - 10AM (Reply to #42)
michele115 (not verified)
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Mandy

So happy you have overcome those symptoms and are feeling better...those were some scary moments hey? I don't intend to EVER go back there. Hugs!
Apr 11 - 6PM
ifinallygotit
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my health since N left

Has improved greatly even though i am very sad after a 10 year relationship ended so badly. My immunity is way up! First winter that I have not had the flu! I had constant colds and bugs with him! I still get bugs but now I shake them off like everyone else instead of getting deathly ill for weeks! Also I have a good stomach but developed bad stomach and bowel problems the last two years - that is completely gone now too! I always thought he reduced stress due to the hugs and kisses but I guess the under current of psychic stress wore me down. I miss my ex N alot and have a history of not being able to let go of long term relationships with men - i always stay too long...have a mean N mother and very little family. He was a huge support in my life no matter how screwed up he is. I do not want to go back but miss him every day. Mornings are getting better though. I still wake up with him on the brain but can shake it quicker now to start my day...
Apr 11 - 7PM (Reply to #38)
OnlyChild49 (not verified)
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Me too!!

about the hugs and kisses. I thought they balanced things out - not totally, but somewhat. And the history of not being able to let go of long term RLs with men and staying too long - hoping it will get better. BUT, my very nice 96 year old Mom is cute and we are quite close!! She liked the N as he was good to her and paid attention to her. It's the very little family that I think about when I'm going to bed or getting up.
Apr 11 - 6PM (Reply to #31)
michele115 (not verified)
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Ifinallygotit

That is wonderful news to learn that your health has improved. At one point I thought my mother was an N. I'm not quite sure what she is, we are getting along better but at times the relationship was strained. I do know however that my childhood had a little something to do with my believing it was my duty to be "selfless" which is what I think landed me in this awful predicament. I felt very much the obligation to be the care taker and although at times resented it, it was how I was molded and now that I've gone through this and have been able to see certain patterns, I am more aware and remain optimistic that I will continue to develop healthy boundaries and not feel it is my responsibility to clean the world's "behind" and it feels good to be able to say no without second guessing and guilt! Hugs!
Apr 11 - 6PM (Reply to #32)
ifinallygotit
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yeah care taker

I have a full blown N mother. When the parent is so immature the child must be the rational one in crisis. My mom could not cope. I went into the care taking field and have had boyfriends who were less accomplished than me. This ex N was the biggest baby of them all - but I just adored him. I hope I will break the pattern. I am not really at all the overbearing mothering type - more like the responsible stable one...
Apr 11 - 6PM (Reply to #33)
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Ifinallygotit

It took some work to really see all the patterns but once I became aware I learned the magic word NO and I made it a point not to care how others were affected by my NO if I felt it was not in keeping with what I felt need to be done, if I felt that another could reasonably handle the issue and they were passing the buck, whatever, if I just felt like saying no because I felt like saying no...I gave MYSELF permission to say no, I learned to validate my feeling, wants and needs and I learned not to have any guilt about it. My mantra is...Don't own other's ish...and I repeat it daily..it takes practice, action and being aware... Hugs...
Apr 11 - 10PM (Reply to #34)
ifinallygotit
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dynamics

These were weird dynamics with ex N - he took more care of me than I of him. yes I adored him and loved him more than he loved me but he nurtured me more in tangible ways, cooking alot for me, doing my wash, holding me in his lap, being very affectionate, helping me with practical stuff - we spent most our time at his house so it was kind of like he was the parent - he would scold me about stuff, not in a mean way but almost like I was his child... but he would never fully commit and would have this whole other "outside' phony life. I thought it was just from his old lifestyle as a celeb and gave him slack to go do his thing - I felt confident he loved me - NEVER saw that he would run away although I knew he wanted a job in the city he moved to. i have it more together professionally than him but he was way more self sufficient and less needy - but we were both like little silly children often, playing... Not a very normal adult realtionship...He loved being with me too, I am sure of it. And then he would feel awful from the intimacy and push away. it is a huge huge bummer...I am not jealous of the new GF that appeared at new years - I know its image and fake and I am able to block it out of my mind pretty well. If I had not snooped, I would have been spared...
Apr 12 - 12AM (Reply to #35)
michele115 (not verified)
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ifinallygotit

You know you used the word needy - and I find that in society...needy is such a "disdainful" word like it's a weakness or something... This neediness you speak of...is a detriment in your view or something normal. AND if in general you feel neediness is normal, do you feel in your case the level of neediness is too extreme? Neediness always confuses me some because sometimes, a natural normal need to be loved, to have companionship, to want to have quality time are all normal natural desires, but these characters make it or distort it into something negative...something WE should be ashamed of.. AND so when you speak of his 'self sufficiency' is that a politically correct term for saying he was essentially detched...and if that is the case, we do understand he was so "self sufficient" because he really wasn't emotionally invested.
Apr 12 - 12PM (Reply to #36)
ifinallygotit
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michele - hard questions you ask!

I do think am I needier than others from not having a mature or available mother to bond with - there is just a hole, like I never got the nurturing I needed which makes me over bond with men. I guess I admired his self sufficiiency because he had nerves of steel and rarely asked anyone for help. Yes he probably was detached from me - but in important matters, I know he respected my thoughts though he rarely included me in his life decisions - he operated as a solo person the whole time - there was no "we" - He only referred us to as "we" to show off in front of his male friends - in private no "we". I remember being startled how he acted like we were close in front of his friends, esp on phone calls - I guess he was showing off that he had a woman calling him?? I don't get these guys...
Apr 12 - 1PM (Reply to #37)
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Its the hard questions we have to answer to heal...;)

I do think am I needier than others from not having a mature or available mother to bond with - there is just a hole, like I never got the nurturing I needed which makes me over bond with men. Well I agree there is a middle ground for needy...but I think that situations and circumstances will dictate those fluctuations...measuring ourselves against others in terms of need I think is tricky...I think we need to identify first what are our needs, then try to become aware if we are "overly" needy or "normal" needy or are feeling low on the needy scale - but who determines what's a normal level of needy?hmmm - I don't know either. I think that when we are feeling vulnerable, we especially have to be aware of the circumstances that are triggering any perceived "high state" of neediness - is there something else going on? AGAIN, I think what is helpful, but you have to be really keen because there is so much brainwashing even in the media...but trying to educate ourselves on what is a healthy relationship - and I say that is tricky simply because we are learning that society is becomming more and more narcissistic as a whole, so that will color how those in the capacity to "dissemninate" information will be influcenced by what they write and hence how "our minds" are molded. I presume this is why it's always helpful to also have some spritual foundation in place simply because regardless of belief or ritual, they all try to get one centered and they all in different ways try to lead us to a place of love and peace. AND that is something we need to do for ourselves first before we can look outside. AND equally the one we are involved with should pretty much share the same principals, one who is really motivated to stay in the light. I too have a similar background and found myself caught up in the vortex of getting my validation from others. BUT through this experience, I have slowly learned how to get more centered. I am in a way in "isolation" at this time. I'm on the board, I am in recovery. Initially it was a "forced" isolation because of circumstances, but over time, I elected to stay this course in order to get into my own head and my own soul. Of course, I have friends and they call from time to time, and I have family and I even had to set boundaries with my mom and we're working on some things, but for me - in order to find my true authentic self, I chose instead to stay a bit isolated because I wanted to drown out those outside influcences, those messages and seek MY truth. I guess I admired his self sufficiiency because he had nerves of steel and rarely asked anyone for help. What other choice would the emotionally unavailable have other than to have nerves of steel - if they are not emotionally detached - what on earth could rattle their cage? AND in this case, it sounds like while the TWO main emotions of a narc are FEAR and RAGE...you have the overt and the covert so covertly, when he was fearful, his RAGE came out covertly in passive aggression and/or gaslighting, the intermittent reinforcement etc.... Yes he probably was detached from me - but in important matters, I know he respected my thoughts though he rarely included me in his life decisions - he operated as a solo person the whole time - there was no "we" - He only referred us to as "we" to show off in front of his male friends - in private no "we". Because in his world, it was ONLY HIM. We were the onnaments, the decorations, the "Image" enhancers to make them look "normal" like they could have a relationship? I remember being startled how he acted like we were close in front of his friends, esp on phone calls - I guess he was showing off that he had a woman calling him?? I don't get these guys... They're disordered...but continue to get it out. Part of healing is understanding it, but the bigger part, is understanding YOU and your truth... Hugs!
Apr 11 - 6PM
michele115 (not verified)
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Prolonged stress on the body

Causes the chemicals to go haywire...some have reported suffering from adrenal fatigue. When the body is under constant stress the balance is upset and this in turn affects all the organs and has been known to cause physical challenges. I've even read that scientists are now linking certain cancers to stress. Many cancers are caused by viruses. When the body is worn down from stress, it makes one more susceptible to viruses I suppose which in time, could lead to cancer. I've read that breast cancer in some cases has been throught to be linked to stress. When you learn about the affects on stress in the body, there is even more of an incentive to work on healing and recovery, so that our bodies can also bounce back from this assault. Hugs!
Apr 12 - 11AM (Reply to #28)
fear for my sanity
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My whole body aches

I have experienced so many physical symptoms, partly I think because, until the last 2 days I haven't shared what has happened to me with anyone and the loneliness of carrying this burden on my own has taken its toll on my body. Funnily enough, when I was still friends with N, I started to suffer from terrible back trouble and sciatica. Then, since NC I have ached from my head to my toes and at the beginning of this year I had the flu which I never suffer from normally and it took me nearly 2 months to get back to normal. I still wake up feeling sore all over, probably because my body is never totally relaxed these days due to the stress. I have started exercising more as I find that this helps. Also trying to make sure that I'm eating healthily. All the best
Apr 12 - 11AM (Reply to #29)
michele115 (not verified)
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fearformysanity

A little later I will send you something pvt message. I hope you feel better soon. Hugs!
Apr 12 - 10AM (Reply to #23)
It'sAllAboutMeNow (not verified)
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This is so true!

I think you are right on with this post. I noticed myself very fatigued and tired throughout my relationship with him. It was hard to understand why. I couldn't sleep enough to feel refreshed, nothing helped. I'm going to have to look up stress and what it causes because I've had stomach issues for a long time now too. All of this is so toxic to the body and it's scary to think of the damage it can cause.
Apr 12 - 12PM (Reply to #24)
OnlyChild49 (not verified)
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Fatigue!!

I was very tired during the RL. It was long distance so I got to rest up when he went back to his home for a week or so. I think that's one reason it lasted longer. Also, he was in a separate residence when with me which gave me my space. He wanted to talk late at night and I wanted to sleep which led to conflict. He agreed to let me have my 8 hours, then didn't go along with the agreement. On another thread, gals have posted about N's not sleeping many hours. He seemd to be particularly wired/hyper on those few hours, but didn't seem to want to work on it.
Apr 12 - 12PM (Reply to #25)
michele115 (not verified)
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Onlychild

I've seen RL in a few posts, would you mind refreshing my memory? What is RL BTW - yes, Narcs have been known to get by on little sleep...nonetheless, to deprive another of sleep is abusive. Sleep deprivation is also used as a torture tactic and severe sleep deprivation can lead to psychosis.
Apr 12 - 12PM (Reply to #26)
OnlyChild49 (not verified)
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RL

is an abbreviation for relationship. I tend to use it as it's shorter:) You know, I remember a gal I worked with years ago who said her former H would awaken her in the night, start talking and not let her sleep. She was a nurse and divorced from him. From what she said, it was not an isolated incident. It sounded awful to me.
Apr 12 - 12PM (Reply to #27)
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Onlychild

Thanks for clarifying the RL... Sleep deprivation is a form of abuse for certain... Hugs!
Apr 11 - 2PM
deecbee
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I think it all boils down to

I think it all boils down to severe anxiety and being traumatized, basically. I feel like I've been through war... and at the end of it the person I was fighting for doesn't even exist. It's too much to get my head around. Definitely have no appetite, losing weight, if I do eat it doesn't sit well. Vivid dreams, feeling "dazed" and out of it (got lost in my own neighborhood, mistook the washing machine for the dryer, lost my ipod in thin air). My mind is gone, basically.
Apr 12 - 12PM (Reply to #21)
ifinallygotit
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deecbee

I feel this way mentally too (gone, mind blown, can't deal with facts) but my physical health improved since there is no one causing me day to day aggravation anymore...
Apr 12 - 10AM (Reply to #18)
michele115 (not verified)
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deecebee

I'm so sorry you are struggling so hard with this...I too had a very hard time. I lost a lot of weight couldn't eat, couldn't sleep. My mind went also. How are you feeling today?
Apr 12 - 1PM (Reply to #19)
deecbee
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Every day gets a little

Every day gets a little better. Coming on these boards helps a lot, too. Every once in a while I'll have a mini panic attack and feel overwhelmed with the idea that he's an empty vessel, but it's setting in, slowly. I'm leaving for a 5 day vacation on Thursday with a bunch of girlfriends that I havent seen in ages... I am not excited or motivated to pack, but I know it'll help to get back in touch with reality again. How long was it before you felt "normal" again? Does it ever happen?
Apr 12 - 6PM (Reply to #20)
michele115 (not verified)
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deecbee

Normal?...who said I felt normal? What's normal?...LOL On a serious note, I took a while, I landed here in September, I think January - my birthday was a pivotal moment, prior to that, I was in real bad shape. A friend came over and we celebrated my birthday, I have physcial challenges too so I didn't have too many outlets to distract myself with? But she came over and we went and had some cupcakes and came back home to my place and I made myself up...I even went to a store that had makeup and wigs kinda like a cosmetic store but in the basement they had "other" things catering to the "spices" of life? And we joked around some and took pics...and giggled a bit. AND I put on some makeup and we took pictures...about 97 to be EXACT...and some were good and some were so-so... SO I posted those...and we made a slideshow video...TEN MINUTES of MICHELE...I had never been that vain in my entire life!!! He's still in my head but he has no effect...and I don't care...but the fog lifted after about 4 months but I still do consider myself very much "in recovery" only because I want to make sure this does not happen again, so I am staying committed to not dating and exploring me and examining issues that may have contributed to my not being wiser. I still hold the position that we are blameless and victims that will survive - but I do feel that I need to continue to educate myself on narcspeak and discover what my boundaries are and shore up what it is I really want out of life, what I want to do, what I really want in a partner if oneday I should meet someone and clean up the emotional, spritual and physical house as well as the one l live in...and that should keep me pretty busy. Hugs!
Apr 8 - 5PM
OnlyChild49 (not verified)
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Panic Attacks!!

It's interesting. I've had panic attacks for over 40 years - started in high school. Looking back, I have felt, N started "acting up" when I was at a place/location when vunerable to them. I needed him for support, but instead, he gave me a hassle. Later he would say he didn't know or wasn't sure what to do. I had explained my feelings to him very clearly beforehand in a calm manner. I think that's called sabotage?? When I went to monthly contact and then NC, I was depressed, but not anxious. Getting away from the trama and drama helped me feel grounded. But it was not an easy adjustment as we all know.
Apr 8 - 9AM
marlaoryx
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Absolutely

Crippling panic attacks. Gasping for breath. I had to start taking Xanax just to get through the day. Constant nausea. I hardly ate for three months. Lost 13 lbs.
Apr 3 - 7AM
From the Ashes
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Physical Symptoms

I have had lots of physical stuff, mainly nerve issues, lots of tests and lots of pain killers, for a while I just wanted to slip away as I was in so much pain. Perhaps a doctor can comment, but there seems to be a link between stress (living with a Narc), producing cortisol, which then leads to autoimmune conditions, nerve demilenation, (the nerves fall apart), scarciodsis, (the immune system goes haywire), diabetes, arthritis, etc etc. How many on the site suffer from autoimmune conditions? Any comments.
Apr 11 - 6PM (Reply to #11)
ifinallygotit
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autoimmune issues

I have some but they started before this N and my mother has some. My health is actually good now (after the abandonment) but my mind is blown. I did feel some stress relief when he moved last summer instead of sadness but mainly because we both said it was not a break up and I thought we would have "fun" seeing each other for romantic weekends. But my body definitely felt relief that he was gone - however my heart is still madly in love with him...