So, about my husband

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#1 Mar 10 - 4PM
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So, about my husband

Okay, so I was involved with a narcissist... the classic, charming type. We were soulmates, then we weren't. Just to be clear to those of you have been cheated on, I don't think affairs are okay or anything...something I thought I would never ever do...but after 15 years of emotional abuse from my alcoholic husband, I was ripe for one I guess. And Mr Perfect sure seemed like the answer... The sad thing is I see now how he took advantage of how vulnerable I was. The happy thing is he really changed my life for the better overall, because he gave me love and hope and I started to stand up to my H...it hurt when he broke my heart, but I was not going back to the way life was, either.

So I've wondered if my H is a N or not...my counselor and I have briefly discussed borderline maybe instead...I don't know they kind of run together. The reason I didn't think of H as a N...is because he isn't the confident charmer, etc, he didn't sweep me off my feet. BUT..he IS fake. And after reading a lot of stuff on the Narcissists Suck blog...about the family tyrant and the Mob Family, etc. I am inclined to think he's just a different type.

Looking at his family, they are super controlling, and I'd have to say his dad is a narcissist. There is only one way...their way. They can't tolerate any individuality. They are like a mob family! My husband can be nice acting sometimes, but he has no empathy for me. I think he sees me as an extension of him.

When my family got wiped out in Katrina he told me not to let that stuff bother me. He refused to talk about it or offer any comfort. When I was recently diagnosed with ADD and depression, he just got mad. When I try to talk with him about it he gets mad. He told me he can't handle my problems. He's mostly concerned about how much my medication costs. It really bothers him that we are spending money on medicine for me. Meanwhile he's a fricking hypochondriac. It really IS all about HIM.

He is also a real Jekyll/Hyde type. It seems like a lot of N's talked about are just assholes all the time, he just switches back and forth. Everyone else "out there" thinks he's the nicest guy in the world. Women have frequently told me over the years "you're so lucky!!!" which has always made me want to scream.

I won't go on and on. I came here to get over the intense relationship I had with the textbook N...the one I can't resist, but I think I need to start working on what to do about the one that I can't stand!! And his oppressive family..that tells you every day how much they love you (as long as you do as you're told) and then they screw you over.

Jun 30 - 8PM
cynthia (not verified)
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so much in common

Same thing happened to me, horribly abusive husband of 20 years (verbally and emotionally,controling) and the dream come true came along, never was unfaithful in my life, mr dream comes along and WAMMO, same with the husband to everyone else he is wonderful and I want to puke when they say that to me, ya right just live with him, he will call you names, tear you down, make you feel worthless, and all I ever did was try to please him, i did everything for my husband the perfect wife, doting,loving, but you are right what we experienced with the pathological forever changed us I feel I had to almost experience this in order to one day look at myself and say why do the men in my life that I love hurt and wound me so badly, what do I do wrong, NOTHING and that takes courage and a strong self worth to discover that. I thought my husband was abusive until the Psycho took off the mask, he is a professional what I endured was the worst experience with another human I have ever encountered, i felt I died and yes it was the dark night of the soul for me when there was no hope of a better future i lost 30 pounds, suffered PTS, you name it I suffered it. I am coming out of it now but it took two long years, now I am left with a marriage that I realize was never right, if I divorce my husband it will be because I woke up to the truth and will not live my life with a partner who is abusive in ANYWAY, just a thought they should be on pills NOT US, ha I dont think your husband is Narcisstic but I am not a pro but I had two years of counseling to restore myself, he sounds controlling, self-centered, selfish, insecure, its all about pleasing him to feed his demands he may have stronger narcisstic traits than the average but nothing like the narc/psycho that I encountered at least. Remember this as it helped me you said you "cant resist your Narc", its all acting, its not real look how we are all so taken with movie stars, ours just showed up in our lives to play the part we wanted them to be its sick really sick and when you can see them for what they are not for the con and acting job you will stand back with disgust. I want something REAL, someone that can love me back, someone that can feel, I prefer to pay to see actors then you leave and the fantasy story was just that and it didnt hurt me either. We must live in realty and after being with a narc/psycho I know thats hard because we got a taste of what everyone searches for and in the end we discover it was all an act job. I have faith there are REAL partners out there that can be every bit close to what we once felt for the con man. We know the difference now, but truly we must fix our wounded selves first. Cynthia
Mar 16 - 9PM
Barbara (not verified)
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gaslighting

Funny, I just gave counseling to a woman today who's ex has her completely gaslight-ed to the point she won't drive or leave the house because she's no longer sure what is real. Just disgusting. Anyway - this link might help illuminate their gaslighting. http://www.cosmicwalk.co.za/games-gaslighting.html But remember, Narcs live in THEIR OWN REALITY. I call it "Planet N" - now if only we could send them all back there. Barbara
Mar 14 - 7PM
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gotta fly

My husband found my book The Verbally Abusive Relationship today, which totally pissed him off. He's been simmering all afternoon and of course started drinking. Later he started his tantrums. He told me I deserve a lot worse than he gives me...and if I think he's so abusive he's going to start acting like it. He went out for something. I'm leaving the house. Please keep me in your prayers if you are one who prays. Thanks.
Mar 15 - 12AM (Reply to #27)
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Well, I'm home. He's passed

Well, I'm home. He's passed out. Off to bed now.
Mar 15 - 11AM (Reply to #28)
Lisa E. Scott
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Better Off

I'm so sorry to hear about your day with your h yesterday. I can't believe he said those things to you. I'm glad you got out of the house. How are things today?
Mar 15 - 12PM (Reply to #29)
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Today is full of apologies,

Today is full of apologies, as usual. When we got up he told me he didn't want me to leave him. He was sorry. He didn't mean any of it. I said, oh you didn't mean it that I am "ruining your life." And he said, I said I was sorry. He said he shouldn't say stuff like that to me because it makes my depression worse. Ya think? Then he got mad all over again that I was reading that book..said it makes him feel horrible. I again questioned him that he saw a book on verbal abuse and responded with two hours of verbal abuse. HELLO??? But he was hacked off!!!, he says. There is no point in even talking to him. Anyway..then later he hugged me and said that's how he should have been treating me yesterday, because I was working hard. How about, because that's how we treat human beings....he makes me so tired.
Mar 15 - 12PM (Reply to #30)
Lisa E. Scott
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apologies

Of course, he's full of apologies today. I'm so sorry, Better Off. You deserve so much more. You know, you gave him a reason to drink yesterday. I mean, that's how he looks at it. You, yourself, did NOT give him a reason, but that's how he justifies it to himself. What do you plan to do next? He's toxic!
Mar 15 - 1PM (Reply to #31)
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I don't know. He wears me

I don't know. He wears me out. I need to get a job. I was a SAHM for 10 years, and then I worked as a preK teacher for a few years. I quit last spring, and then he got diagnosed with cancer so I didn't go back to work...he didn't finish treatment, etc til the end of the year. Now it's spring again! I need to find work. And of course he doesn't want me to do anything that "interferes" with family life (IOW gives me any independence). I was really suffering from almost crippling depression by Christmas with the fallout from N and from everything that happens with H (husband). (I'm wondering now if I didn't even have light PTSD because of N) But I am getting better. The bad thing is the cancer situation used up a lot of our money. A year ago I could have walked out the door and found a place and been okay. Different story now. I want to take time to plan well, but his drinking is escalating so I don't know.
Mar 13 - 11AM
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Your comments were great.

Your comments were great. It is sad to see women who took this kind of emotional beating but great to see them bounce back. To get caught in the personality change where you are dealing with 2 distinctly different people in one man is truly a crazy maker. It causes a lingering caring about the nice part of your partner and causes you to need to get away from the nasty part of his personality. The controlling family is interesting-he was certainly out of control. I wish you great fortune and good luck in your future you totally earned that with your past. Carolyn
Mar 12 - 3AM
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sad

Well..I had yet another ridiculous conversation with my husband. Now it's that I don't initiate sex ...blah blah blah. I'm thinking..you're lucky I let you touch me at all. Anyway. It's a long story. But the splinter in my heart is how much I want to go to my N right now, just to talk. I didn't go through the nasty breakup like most of you...I tried to gain the distance before something like that happened. Sometimes the only thing that stops me is not knowing the response I'll get. He might be "busy" or he might be comforting...I guess depending on if he needs NS. ugh. I think he always liked being the guru "let me help." As I suppose he felt like he was in a superior position. It feels weird to even say that though...he usually gave me good advice about things not concerning him. It just hurts a lot right now.
Mar 16 - 9PM (Reply to #24)
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OMG

Wow! Precisely!My N liked being the guru "let me help". He showered me and fed me for 3 days after I found out about his multiple affairs after a "happy" 7 year marriage. He smiled the whole time, telling me "But I don't love you" Looking me in the eyes; washing my hair. His eyes said "you are the most beautiful person I've ever seen" An episode several weeks later helped me put 2 and 2 together. He was holding our daughter and, looking deep into her eyes said, "Do you see yourself in daddy's eyes?" I think whenever he looked at me for 12 years he was staring at his reflection in my pupils. These people have sick twisted souls. Normal people do not gain supply like this or seek it at all. This is more than the need for affirmation; this is disturbing. nolongercontrolled
Mar 13 - 11AM (Reply to #23)
Carolyn
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hurts for now

your guru is full of it-he just has you convinced. You sound like you are getting over his influence and starting to think independently. Keep your new found internal freedom to yourself! Just laugh inside-like you have a secret. His hold on you will pass as you take control of how you think and how far you will let him painfully manipulate your emotional life. The hurt is part of the control. Remember these narcissists do not have a normal range of emotions like their victims do. they deal in the negative and like to intentionally inflict emotional harm in order to control you they enter your world, you lower your natural defenses, then they begin to harm you. You sound like you miss the original 'nice guy' but that you are totally on the path to getting away from the 'guru' Carolyn
Mar 12 - 9PM (Reply to #20)
Lisa E. Scott
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Stay away

Betteroff - Sorry to hear what you're going through with your h, but don't let this push you to your n.....please stay away from your n....stay far away. I know you feel like going to him right now, but if you do, he will just suck you in and you don't need that right now. He may be good at giving advice, but that's just because he knows what you want to hear - he's a manipulator - do not go near him, please!
Mar 13 - 10PM (Reply to #21)
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I am doing okay. Luckily

I am doing okay. Luckily for me he was traveling all week (a friend told me he has finally left the U.S. forever and spent a few days en route home)...and that kept me under control for a few crucial days. I am actually feeling okay with myself. He was back here for a month...and I didn't get involved with him. I was so afraid of spending a lot of time talking with him and then getting blown off again as soon as he left...so for once I opted out of the immediate enjoyment to spare myself the inevitable pain later. And it worked. This place helped a lot. I had a counseling session last night...my doc thinks that my husband is bipolar not narcissistic. And after some research that's probably a better description. He does narcissistic things and lacks empathy..but he never quite had the whole N picture, like my...whatever he was. Lover? But it's still very similar. I just bought Why Does He DO That? Inside The Minds Of Angry & Controlling Men...and reading some more online, I see that my N really had many hallmarks of an abuser. And reading y'all's marriage stories makes me realize this is probably what his marriage is like. I feel sick thinking about how I believed he was so mistreated by his wife. I feel sorry for her now. And I am still trying to wrap my mind around what kind of person he really must be...what he really did to me. That he is a sadist and I didn't even know it. I gave myself heart, body, mind, and soul to a sadist. I'm surprised I haven't cracked worse than I have...being trapped in between these two men. I was able to confirm independently that the affair stories about his wife were true...and I think he must stay with her so he can hold it over her head and punish her for it...and have her trying to "be good." Gag. I remember him telling me she was in Perfect Wife mode trying to get him back..describing it like she was manipulating HIM...instead of it being the other way around. He admitted to refusing to give her affection and certainly sex...which I doubted, I thought he was saying that to appease ME...but now I bet it's true, that he's withholding from her, but won't leave her either. Just makes her suffer. What an asshole. It still all seems so unreal.
Mar 14 - 11AM (Reply to #22)
Lisa E. Scott
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Better Off - Congrats

I am so happy you stayed away from him all month while he was in town! That's wonderful and you should really be proud of yourself. I know it wasn't easy, but it was the best thing you could do for yourself. Keep it up! xoxo, Lisa
Mar 10 - 11PM
Lisa E. Scott
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Characteristics of a Narcissist

Betteroff - Narcissists do have a Jekyll/Hyde personality. As you know, once they have secured a significant other, they eventually begin treating this person like crap. However, if this person shows any indication of leaving, they will turn on the charm so fast it could make your head spin. Living with a narcissist is really like riding a rollercoaster.....so confusing. Maddening, really. In any case, a person doesn't have to be overly charming or outgoing to be a narcissist. Some are more introverted than others. One of my ex narcissists seemed almost quiet and shy at first, but then I realized later that he remained quiet in social settings because he thought he was above everyone else. Often times, the quiet narcissists are quiet because they look down on the people around them and refuse to associate with them. Your husband clearly has no empathy or ability to show compassion for you and all that you have been through recently. He certainly sounds like he could be a narcissist, but of course, that's for you to determine in your own time. Hang in there. Best, Lisa
Mar 12 - 11AM (Reply to #2)
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Quiet narcissists

My 2nd N was a cerebral narcissist and they (at least he was) very quiet and reserved in public. In the beginning I just thought he was an introvert (and I am too, so it didn't bother me). But little things comes out in time. Like, we were at my family's christmas party and he was being very quiet. Antisocial, really. Then, one of my distant cousins comes in with his wife (dressed in his air force uniform on their way to a gala event) and my ex N was irritable (only let me see this). N whispered in my ear that my cousin "hadn't seen any combat" and openly disparaged him to me for being "a showboat". You see, my N was an officer in the military...and what I realized--even at the time--he was envious that my cousin swooped in and got the attention the N wanted for his military service. Plus, if a friend came over to my house to visit, he would just up and leave the room. Wouldn't even try to be pleasant. He had no time for "mere mortals."
Mar 12 - 9PM (Reply to #3)
Lisa E. Scott
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Narcissists have no time for mere mortals

Ghostbuster - I love how you put it...."he had no time for mere mortals." That's exactly how they view others, isn't it? And how jealous they get of other people who may take attention away from them is unreal! The insecurity is unbelievable!
Mar 13 - 10AM (Reply to #4)
GhostBuster
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Even when they're tranparent...

But why do we put up with their crap even when we can see their jealousy and insecurities so transparently? I know, for myself, I was sort of attracted to his haughtiness (as long as he wasn't using it against me)...which was just a cover of course for his insecurity. I'm not that proud of that part of me that enjoyed his self-inflated ego. It was almost as if he considered me "worthy" of sharing his haughty feelings about others...it made me feel closer to him...special..I was his confidant. I don't really care for overly insecure men, but even his insecurity didn't make me want to give him the boot. I just figured (before I figured out he was an N) that he would learn to trust me based on the fact that I'm completely trust-worthy. It's such a mind fuck they pull on us...they figure out our natures (because they are smart cookies) and use it against us. I do think it's worth examing our own selves to figure out what draws us to these Ns...especially when we've been involved with more than one. For me, the first one was an anomoly. The second one, a pattern. Right now, as I try to heal, I'm also dedicating myself to figuring out my own nature and taking steps to change myself...and who (and what) I'm attracted to. Wouldn't it be great if we could really start a movement and stamp out attraction to these N psychotic charmers? Boy, wouldn't all those nice guys out there that think they finish last be thrilled to finally get the recognition they deserve? Down with bad N boys!
Mar 15 - 1PM (Reply to #6)
cassiemay
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why are We attracted to them?

Hello all, Ghostbuster raises an important question which I have been pondering for myself for a long time and that is "why are we attracted to them?" Well, of course there is the "charming" part.....who wouldn't fall for that? And the idealization...who wouldn't want that? We are so "Special" and they make us believe that more than anyone else has. Of course this attracts our own needs to be special and loved and valued, which again, is normal. But probably a bit affected, at least in my Own case, by insecurities which make me Need to feel special and given such treatment. Finally! A man who truly appreciates me for who I am! LOL I am speaking only for myself, but would be very interested in others' opinions and views. This is very hard for me to admit. But as I look back I think a large part of my huge attraction to him and my blindness to the N traits was that deep inside, I was looking and hoping for Prince Charming. And Charming he was. I thought all my prayers and needs had been answered. I felt worthy because HE judged me worthy. I must be ok, then, right? What a wonderful redemption from my own self-doubts and fears. HE finds me wonderful, so perhaps I am?? As I process and go through this I begin to realize, with shame and regret, that there were truly parts of ME missing and that subconsiously I wished him to make me whole, to take "care" of me. And he seemed so willing and able to do so at the time, and actually, for quite awhile after that. I felt so understood, so valued, so "seen" as the "wonderful person I am" . As a result I continued to rely on his approval and acceptance and quit developing ME. It soothed me, it made me feel protected, it seemed unconditional. But....as the saying goes, there's no free lunch. Expecting unconditional love is only for children from their parents. Adults are different creatures. So....the point for me is that I realize now and I hope this will help me in my future, that I too was at fault. For expecting too much, for being too dependent. This last one is hard because we all have times in our lives when we ARE dependent, because of life circumstances, because of personal issues that we try to deal with but aren't so succesfull, simply because life is Hard sometimes and we All need someone to "cover our backs" once in awhile. We rely on our nearest and dearest to do this when needed. I guess that's only human. But when it gets out of whack, when it is too distorted one way or the other is where we find ourselves in trouble. At least for me. I feel that this happened in my marriage. The hard part is that I didn't know how or wasn't capable of helping myself much. I disintegrated. Then, of course, he didn't "respect me" anymore. And there's a part of me that understands this. How do we draw the line and understand for ourselves what was "reasonable" or should be expected as support from an important relationship? Such a hard question and not one that I have the answer to right now. It's just that as time goes by I find Myself thinking more and more that I must be strong For Myself. That I must find the answers to my own emotional problems Myself, that turning too much to someone else is a relationship killer, whether it be with spouse, SO, or friends and family. People do get "burnt out". Even the best of us. But what's so difficult for me to figure out is where is that line crossed? I would have hoped that after 21 years of marriage, most of it good, he would have given me more support during my own bad times, even though I do know it was "taxing" on him as well. Sometimes we just aren't ABLE to give all we would like to someone else because our own issues are consuming us. On the other hand, it is so scary to confront taking care of myself by myself entirely. Maybe even the little tokens I got from him were better than this. I honestly don't know. Sometimes I feel this way and other times I feel like "Fuck Him!" He could have hung in there through a couple of years with me and supported me when I couldn't do it for myself. I do know I would have done it for him Any thoughts would be very greatly appreciated. CM
Mar 15 - 6PM (Reply to #10)
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Why We are Attracted...

Cassiemay, Speaking from my own experience, I was attracted to him because he was so interested in me, like no one else had been. I actually liked someone else when he started pursuing me, and he showed so much interest in me, and he was so persistent in conquering me. I even rejected him several times, because he had just broken up with his girlfriend, and I was actually envisioning life with a different man. But he pursued me so much that I feel "he earned my heart". He was also very charming, and very affectionate (which this went away after about 6 months of marriage, he lost his affection). I came from a dysfunctional home with an abusive father, so my self worth was pretty low, and the narcissist made me feel worthy and loved while dating, and this is why I decided to marry him. Now I regret it, I feel it is one of the biggest mistakes I have ever made, if not the biggest. In fact, my counselor told me - "If you want to talk about mistakes, the mistakes you have made is the men you choose". He was referring to both the narcissist, and the previous abusive boyfriend I had before him. I now realize I need to gain a new sense of self worth before I am involved in another relationship, so I can choose better.
Mar 16 - 1AM (Reply to #18)
cassiemay
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thanks so much for the replies

Ruby, thanks so much for the reply. Sounds like we have something in common. Not only the acceptance of the N and all he "offers" but the self-doubt underlying it all and making us more vulnerable. I too realize (and Hate it) that I need more feelings of self worth as well or am afraid I will make the same mistake again. Whether with a narcissict or whomever...I fear I am too needy and will turn anyone worth having away. I need to find myself and at 53 that's a hard thing to admit. Shit! How did I get this old??? :-) Cm
Mar 15 - 10PM (Reply to #11)
Barbara (not verified)
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Why....

Many of us (I know this goes for me) had a narc parent. Being raised by one makes you a MAGNET for that (read: CHILDREN OF THE SELF-ABSORBED by Nina Brown). We are called ACONS - Adult Children of Narcissists. Narcs and Psychopaths present a very attractive facade. Consistently described as “charming” the psychopath is irresistible in his personality traits. Women described him as “a charming and engaging conversationalist, agreeable, insightful, sweet, twinkling eyes, a compelling talker, funny, a great storyteller, fun to be with, delightful, exciting, companionable, loyal, enthusiastic, upbeat, fun-loving, intense, and sensitive.” From this list of traits, it’s easy to see why women are enamored with his personality. By this list, what’s not to like? - Sandra Brown, MA - WOMEN WHO LOVE PSYCHOPATHS They choose us. Because of our vulnerability. And they don't choose just anyone. They tend to choose the best, brightest and most caring. It's like a high to them. The con-man in them gets a big score. But remember PREDATORS HUNT THE WOUNDED. If you have been hurt, raised by a pathological; you are like tenderized meat to these guys. Read all you can on them. And try to learn to like being alone for a while.
Mar 16 - 1AM (Reply to #12)
cassiemay
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wow

thanks Barbara for your thoughts: your quote and description is perfect. So Perfect. I'll have to check out the book you quoted. Hmmm...they choose the "best, brightest and most caring?" That's an interesting thought and one I don't really understand so would like more thoughts on that if any of you have them. I do get the "vulnerability" part and see myself in that scenario. So easy to take advantage of me as needy as I was and at the same time just finding my "new" strength which must have attracted him as well. As long as I was an attractive adjunct I was valued and "loved" and idealized. When I had any problems of my own I became an abhorrence, one to be rid of ASAP. Oh my. We've all been through so much heartache. CM
Mar 16 - 9PM (Reply to #16)
Lisa E. Scott
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Narcissists seek strong women

Yes, I agree completely that narcissists choose the best, brightest and most caring women to settle down with and marry. Their charm and pity party stories don't work on a cold-hearted person who lacks empathy. They seek out overly caring and nurturing women. These women are perfect wife material. This is the kind of woman they want to marry. The bitch is the type of woman they want to sleep with and the bitchier, the sexier. In my opinion, we are not weak because we are drawn to them. Quite the contrary. They seek out strong women because they need to rely on us for so much and hope we will expect nothing from them in return. They seek out overly trusting and caring women. I always see the good in people, before the bad. Some people may say I'm naive and too trusting, but this certainly doesn't make me weak. We should appreciate what makes us unique and special and never stifle our good-natured, caring and giving ways. Some day, someone will appreciate it and deserve it and give us the same, in return. Best, Lisa
Mar 16 - 9PM (Reply to #17)
ms_jeeves
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so well said!

I agree that being trusting, caring and good-natured is not a weakness but a real strength that not everyone has. I work hard at maintaining that and it's what will get me out of this ridiculous situation sooner rather than later. My weakness is how I dwell too much on him... because I can't fix him or get him to show remorse. Anyway... I just really am impressed by your positive energy Lisa!
Mar 16 - 7AM (Reply to #13)
Barbara (not verified)
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You are welcome

Reading WOMEN WHO LOVE PSYCHOPATHS was truly a revelation for me. I had read tons of books on pathology in preparation for coaching abused women but that one showed how all the GOOD things about me were used against me by pathological men. As well as validating that my narcissistic parent had really done me no favors by making me a magnet for them (I had NO CLUE what boundaries or abuse was!) The children of narcissists have been brainwashed into thinking it's their fault whenever the narcissist goes off. It's because they aren't worthy enough to deserve better treatment. They have been trained to view the narcissist's crackpot behavior as normal: being irrational to keep from losing an argument is normal and acceptable in that home; blowing up because someone else doesn't dress, think, say, or feel what you want them to is normal. Of course children raised in Hell are going to become adults who put up with narcissistic abuse. - http://narc-attack.blogspot.com I found the book on Brown's website: www.saferelationshipsmagazine.com or AMAZON.com has it. If you can't afford it, get your library to order it (and Lisa's book) for you! As for them being attracted to the good stuff - think about it. These are people who think everyone is a reflection of THEM. Everyone is an object - a mirror. They are hollow - so what do they want? To look LIKE you - they figure - if she's with me then I look like a good guy. Why have some horrible person around to MAKE THEM LOOK HORRIBLE? Get it? Barbara http://abusesanctuary.blogspot.com
Mar 16 - 9PM (Reply to #15)
grossot
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I just ordered WOMEN WHO

I just ordered WOMEN WHO LOVE PSYCHOPATHS from amazon. OMG! I never thought I'd ever have to read anything with that tile! Thanks for the good advice. I'm also going to talk with my psychiatrist about PTSD. This hell is never going to be over is it? Do you know anything about the gaslight effect? I was just reading about it. blessings, nolongercontrolled
Mar 16 - 8AM (Reply to #14)
better off
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Yes, cassie may...they are

Yes, cassie may...they are SO VAIN that they have to have someone that lives up to that. Does he drive a BMW or a Hyundai? ;)
Mar 15 - 1PM (Reply to #7)
better off
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Keep in mind, they WANTED us

Keep in mind, they WANTED us to be dependent on them. They fostered it. So, while I agree with all you are saying about wanted to be cared for, etc...they also fan that flame into something bigger than it ever was before we met them...IMHO. Then once the victim is dependent they get the joy of dropping her. They are the opposite of human.